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Kanos posted:Make minor settlements under tier 3 into open field domination battles and save the settlement maps for tier 3s. that's the best idea anyone's ever had in this thread, would solve so many issues and make minor settlement sieges a welcome change from field battles rather than something to mod out or brute force with autoresolve e: i just remembered that it will be the AI contesting the capture points so maybe it wouldn't solve everything lol, but maybe they can up the garrisons significantly to compensate? would be cool either way. Foul Fowl fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Make worse bows than elgi Make worse guns than umgi Make worse artillery than dawi zharr No gods when gods are demonstrably real and primary enemy can summon one to step on you Can't cast a single loving spell Easily tricked by Malekith of all people Owned by old ones and still salty, haven't actually figured out who did it though Why do we respect these guys again? Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Jul 30, 2022 11:38
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Having observed several faction wars events, I'm of the opinion that dwarves indeed suck hard in mp domination or land battle. They usually get defeated in the first or second round of the event and have never made it to the final round. It's not because their units are found to be lacking, it is because they are predictable as gently caress. You don't have proper army variety when playing dwarves. Also, factions like skaven hard counter them. Other factions that are predictable (like Brettonia) have mobility on their side so they at least fare a lil better.
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Jul 30, 2022 11:44
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Make worse bows than elgi Wait, I'm pretty sure they have shitload of gods, no?
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Lt. Lizard posted:Wait, I'm pretty sure they have shitload of gods, no? Three main ones. -Grungni, their main creator god and god of mining/forging/all that traditional dwarf stuff. -Valaya, wife of Grungni and goddess of the hearth and home. She's also the goddess of wisdom because she invented the dwarf language. -Grimnir, brother of Grungni and warrior god. He's the one the Slayers swear to and is a general god of rear end kicking. There's some lesser ones too that nobody gives a poo poo about.
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Jul 30, 2022 11:51
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Kanos posted:Make minor settlements under tier 3 into open field domination battles and save the settlement maps for tier 3s. Minor settlement, no defense building: Field battle Minor settlement, with defense building: Field battle with favorable terrain and some deployables like 3k Major settlement, no defense building: Current minor settlement battle maps from tier 4 city up with field battle with favorable terrain and some deployables for tier 1-3 Major settlement, with defense building: Walls and whatever other bullshit they added to major settlements but to a lesser degree Faction capital: the works Its probably too complicated and reddit would hate it but its better than 90% of my battles being lovely settlement fights.
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Jul 30, 2022 12:06
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Make worse bows than elgi Gods...I hate Dwarfs. My grandfather hated them too, even before they cut off his shins.
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Jul 30, 2022 12:33
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Kanos posted:I'd actually like to see domination exist in singleplayer in some form. It very technically exists by taking victory points in towns, but in most cases that aren't minor settlement backstabs, by the time you take a victory point you've smashed so much of the enemy army that you've won already. You do domination mode when you capture the 4 demon souls in the RoC campaign.
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Jul 30, 2022 12:42
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Make worse bows than elgi gotta hand it to a spiteful little gently caress who's willing to go down swinging
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Jul 30, 2022 12:52
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Yeah bad at everything but blaming everyone else for it is something I strongly identify with.
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brakeless posted:gotta hand it to a spiteful little gently caress who's willing to go down swinging You have to if its on a high shelf
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Jul 30, 2022 13:25
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:You do domination mode when you capture the 4 demon souls in the RoC campaign. I literally forgot about this because I did the RoC campaign to completion one time and then never again. 
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Jul 30, 2022 14:31
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daemon soul battles though you capture each point then defend it one at a time, rather than holding all three at once. also you don't win by holding the points, they just spawn the armies that you have to destroy to actually win (six armies in total!)
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Have we considered that they haven't announced they're adding chaos dwarves because they're actually going to replace inferior dwarves with chaos dwarves? So it's not so much adding as replacing.
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Mmm, the entire valley of humanity colored pox green except for my buddy Skragg and his 3 provinces ready to help me wage war everywhere else in the world. That was a nice campaign. The new victory cons make it a bit easy to spontaneously win as the WoC factions since "spread a lot of corruption to 50 places" can happy very passively but I just kept going and wiped the empire of man out. Ironically I still got dinged by a loving Tzeentch scheme. Mods disabled Halt and Steal Settlement... but not Force War! It didn't come up for 120+ turns but... yup, absolutely no counter play, made me enemies with strong former allies, a nearly impossible quagmire to get out of without having like 6 digits in gold banked. gently caress off, birds! Double ironically Ogres are insanely bad outpost buddies because you can't outpost in their camps and their settlements offer nothing but Gnoblars and Bulls. Booooo. That combined with the Camp recruitment bug of Bulls only really puts a damper on buddying around with the truest neutral guys in the game.
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Shumagorath posted:Is Malagor still the new Malekith / Mannfred? What is it with this game and M-named lords.... Malagor and Taurox were/are just insane. They are factions you play when you don't want to worry about anything and just curbstomp all over everyone. Honestly last time I played them I thought they were a little 'too' powerful so I got kind of bored really fast (I probably needed to turn the difficulty up or something). The original beastmen were terrible in a lot of ways, but it was kind of fun striking out of the shadows at an undefended settlement and then having to run away while the Empire or whoever tried to track you down. Third World Reagan posted:Campaign does not require mods. I rarely use mods. I would say never, but I've been using the 'turn off souls race' mod in WH3 for a few campaigns since sometimes I feel like map painting and the chaos realms get kind of stale after your first few campaigns. I have no issues with mods and people should do whatever they think is the most fun, but the posters who are like 'the game is unplayable without mods' are wrong.
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I play with a bunch of mods but they're all tweaks or graphical stuff, never felt the need to delve into the ones that really shake up how the game works. But pretty muchdrat Dirty Ape posted:I have no issues with mods and people should do whatever they think is the most fun, but the posters who are like 'the game is unplayable without mods' are wrong.
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arghy what campaign/battle difficulties do you play on?
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My plan to fix the dwarves: to address their poor running speed, make them taller, longer strides excess facial hair weighs them down, make them clean shaven living in mines and caves constrains them, put them on an island with sunlight and open air ears not dangerous enough, give them a point to stab with.
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Muscle Tracer posted:arghy what campaign/battle difficulties do you play on? Arghy uses a custom modded difficulty level Masochism/Grimgrog It makes dwarfs pathetically weak and gives Grimgor 99% ward save in battles, so that he can feel vindicated when he loses
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TaurusTorus posted:My plan to fix the dwarves: 
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Give them a Long Distance Runner racial ability, giving a bonus to speed when they've been running for more than 5 seconds, or while there are no enemies within a moderate range. Keeps their low tactical speed as a valid racial weakness, but lets them keep up when doing larger scale movements, so they can participate in domination battles better
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just jack down their vigor loss, you mean? like half their units already?
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Lets just remove them imo
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bob dobbs is dead posted:just jack down their vigor loss, you mean? like half their units already? Vigor loss is meaningless when your base speed is 20-30. Just means it won't be even less as often after prolonged movement or some fighting. Dawi just need something for battlefield maneuvering that won't also just let them put their super durable infantry in the most opportune spots at will.
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Thunderbarges being able to carry 2 units of infantry. 
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If you want to keep their speed, give them menace from bellow if you don't want to keep their speed, make them match nurgle and maybe buff artillery accuracy
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miners with a menace from below type teleport would be so sick
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Dawi LL's should bring in a grudge book as their weapon and as you get more grudges it gets bigger and buffs their damage.
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terrorist ambulance posted:miners with a menace from below type teleport would be so sick Miners but they turn into skaven. Yes-yes.
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terrorist ambulance posted:miners with a menace from below type teleport would be so sick I suggested it as a joke in disc, but gently caress it!!! Gejnor, save us!!!! Please make it so
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Leal posted:Dawi LL's should bring in a grudge book as their weapon and as you get more grudges it gets bigger and buffs their damage. bonus damage based on how far they are behind in domination is a good thing but it needs to apply to all troops as long as the lord is alive if it is just the lord, you just walk away from them
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Oh oh, make them faster and deal more damage the further behind they get. An in battle Grudging would be great!
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Dwarves are the only faction I’ve never even played. Just short drunks, who gives a poo poo.
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The worst part about dwarfs is people recommended them for game 1 and it taught a lot of people bad habits of corner camping. It is a grudge I will never forget.
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Dwarf slander has gone too far. The fact alone that they're Yorkshiremen and not Scottish should be a major mark in their favour. Let them be shite in multiplayer, its a mode of lanky pillocks anyway. Vagabong fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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I don't think balance is that complicated in this game. If they gave Dwarf units more capture weight and some extra health they would be good in multiplayer.
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Mercrom posted:I don't think balance is that complicated in this game. If they gave Dwarf units more capture weight and some extra health they would be good in multiplayer. Me, Elder Dummy posted:If you have a faction that takes one point and holds it forever, fine, I take two. Now what? Do the dwarves waddle their entire death ball over to another point? I take their first point. Do they split their army? They're not indomitable anymore, I destroy half of their army and now they're further in the hole, or hell, I destroy the other half and take the points I want. If the Dwarves make a ranged death ball in the center that's got loads of holes for pvp minded players to dismantle it. The problem isn't capture weight or you'd just throw like 3 Miners into reinforcements on every build. The problem is Dwarves have to set their feet down, hold ground and shoot to really be dangerous, they can be picked apart for doing it, they can't do it in critical mass without giving up two points for an auto loss and being kited to death and if you go slayer heavy you see a bunch of enemy reinforcements that are good at mulching slayers. Also lol no magic. Compare this to other one note factions that are doing fine in domination, or even very similar factions that do better than Dwarves. Vamp Coast and Cathay were rated low but still have more flexibility and mobility. Empire is very similar but has fantastic flexibility. Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh are all "one notes" without that one note being Great Ranged, but you can't really box a good Slaanesh player in on any one factor other than "at least they have to be in melee." They have a good toolbox and their strengths let them overcome their weaknesses, especially since one of their strengths if amazing mobility.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Thunderbarges being able to carry 2 units of infantry. A Thunderbarge serving as a glorified mini-van would be hilarious honestly. 99pct of germs fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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