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Ocean Book posted:ah ok. The primary struggle will be surviving against the wave of reaction that the end of empire will bring
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ikanreed posted:Imagine a society where the ratio of assassinations to mass shootings was flipped neoconfederates have been masturbating to this for years, oddly enough  despite all this being true, democrats still will manage to get destroyed in 2022 and afterward
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lmao and they will give him that adulation too they're already doing it before they've crossed the finish line
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the white hand posted:lecturing others about mental health while hopefully looking forward to the great leftist gunfight People ITT are implying I'm stupid for not thinking that things are hopeless and everybody is going to die from right wing violence. I'm not looking forward to a gunfight. I just don't want people to be defenseless against pogroms
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I hope sinema blows this up, it would be the zenith of democrat to have all this triumphant media about finally getting this dumbass on board only to lose to another loving idiot
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ex post facho posted:I hope sinema blows this up, it would be the zenith of democrat to have all this triumphant media about finally getting this dumbass on board only to lose to another loving idiot
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"no way this could backfire," says party already talking like a deal is done https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...me-to-fruition/ quote:Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Sunday said the reason lawmakers such as Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) were not brought into negotiations on a climate, health care and taxes deal that he struck with Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) was that he feared it wouldn’t come to “fruition.”
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want real gun control? arm minorities want revolution? arm minorities
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ex post facho posted:"no way this could backfire," says party already talking like a deal is done Like the football gag from Peanuts, except Lucy doesn't even have to pull away the football and Charlie Brown just loving eats poo poo on his own
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unwantedplatypus posted:It'd be about as useful, and better for your mental health. yea. the problem with the terminally online is that they think this bubble accurately represents reality, when the vast vast majority of people just don't engage with this poo poo ever their entire lives beyond like. watching funny videos on youtube/IG/whatever. bubbles of reality affects lots of communities in different ways and always have tho, its like...the basis of materialism. overcoming alienation is like priority #1 key to developing larger scale class consciousness! i dont understand the point of hopeless nihilist leftists, what is the point of caring about this stuff. just to feel correct about something?
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In Training posted:yea. the problem with the terminally online is that they think this bubble accurately represents reality, when the vast vast majority of people just don't engage with this poo poo ever their entire lives beyond like. watching funny videos on youtube/IG/whatever. bubbles of reality affects lots of communities in different ways and always have tho, its like...the basis of materialism. overcoming alienation is like priority #1 key to developing larger scale class consciousness! i dont understand the point of hopeless nihilist leftists, what is the point of caring about this stuff. just to feel correct about something? I think you're looking at people having genuine reactions to learning about the world and thinking "why are they choosing to react this way?". That's not how it works. When you dig in to how bad a lot of things are, especially climate change, covid, police violence, poverty, and well...basically every other topic...it's very easy to come to the conclusion "we are hosed and nothing is going to change for the better" because nothing has changed for the better their entire lives, and decades before that too, for the most part. It's not 'just to be correct about something'. It's seeing the world for what it is and having a genuine reaction to it. If you somehow take a look under the hood and are still happy and content and unbothered by it, cool, congratulations. Enjoy. But dogging on people for feeling differently is at best, equally pointless to people dooming out in cspam threads.
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unwantedplatypus posted:It'd be about as useful, and better for your mental health. Lol its a great way to do a vast survey bud
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In Training posted:yea. the problem with the terminally online is that they think this bubble accurately represents reality, when the vast vast majority of people just don't engage with this poo poo ever their entire lives beyond like. watching funny videos on youtube/IG/whatever. bubbles of reality affects lots of communities in different ways and always have tho, its like...the basis of materialism. overcoming alienation is like priority #1 key to developing larger scale class consciousness! i dont understand the point of hopeless nihilist leftists, what is the point of caring about this stuff. just to feel correct about something? For people in C-SPAM specifically, there's a lot of left-liberals and moderate socialists whose entire lifetime political experience is getting burned and screwed over again and again. It becomes easy to feel that there is no hope for positive social change. This sense of despair, being useful to capital, which controls the majority of media, is actively cultivated. I know from my own experience I went from thinking the democrats could fix things, to thinking the democrats needed reform and then could fix things, to losing hope in reform in the democratic party, to losing hope entirely in the American electoral system. I started reading and learning about ML theory though, and that actually made me feel something like hope for the first time in a long time. There's the foundation for a theory of change there that could be applied to America. In other cases though, I think hopelessness can also be an excuse for inaction; due to some investment in the way things currently are or fear of change.
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unwantedplatypus posted:People ITT are implying I'm stupid for not thinking that things are hopeless and everybody is going to die from right wing violence. I'm not looking forward to a gunfight. I just don't want people to be defenseless against pogroms I don't either, but that's what makes them civilians and humans. They will be defenseless other than a few exceptions that will be fun to read about
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^^^^ They will be better defended if they are armed and organized. You can't prevent every atrocity, but you will be preventing some. A Bakers Cousin posted:Lol its a great way to do a vast survey bud A platform where I can literally pay to have somebody set up a bunch of dummy accounts for me and say whatever I want is not "a great way to do a vast survey", bud.
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Like either you're doing an actual survey, in which case everybody agrees that social media is very unreliable. Or you're doomscrolling and calling it a survey, which come on.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Realistically if anything it's one person monitoring this among a dozen other online spaces that they (or a tool) skims for keywords then makes a boring report that nobody reads or cares about this was probably how it started, then the siren song was too powerful and they registered an account to post on TCC and get hooked on experimental lab drugs
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unwantedplatypus posted:For people in C-SPAM specifically, there's a lot of left-liberals and moderate socialists whose entire lifetime political experience is getting burned and screwed over again and again. It becomes easy to feel that there is no hope for positive social change. This sense of despair, being useful to capital, which controls the majority of media, is actively cultivated. I know from my own experience I went from thinking the democrats could fix things, to thinking the democrats needed reform and then could fix things, to losing hope in reform in the democratic party, to losing hope entirely in the American electoral system. I started reading and learning about ML theory though, and that actually made me feel something like hope for the first time in a long time. There's the foundation for a theory of change there that could be applied to America. Your last paragraph is a good one. I think it also illustrates why simply arming people will, if anything, hinder collective movements. Gotta crackping em first.
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unwantedplatypus posted:They will be better defended if they are armed and organized. You can't prevent every atrocity, but you will be preventing some. the "organized" part is just an absolute fever dream, but feel free to psychoanalyze others about it rather than yourself
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kalensc posted:Your last paragraph is a good one. The current situation of the US is that people are armed. Guns are freely and easily accessible, too free and easily accessible. I'm in favor of gun control, just not completely blocking access to guns for normal people. I don't think a leftist organization should be actively arming anybody right now, that wouldn't be helpful for the present circumstances. Its just that, even if regular people don't have any access to guns, the wealthy and the cops will. unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 18:51 on Jul 31, 2022 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:Like either you're doing an actual survey, in which case everybody agrees that social media is very unreliable. Or you're doomscrolling and calling it a survey, which come on. what about making up people to get mad at and also making up stories about what those fake people who don't exist do? is that a survey?
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unwantedplatypus posted:^^^^ Yeah its pretty good despite your objections sorry you disagree
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ok please take gunchat somewhere else. guns are bad but also good????? thanks we've exhausted this long argument. the Democrats are going to get destroyed in 90 days
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Arguing about whether disarming America will lead to a proletarian revolution or not is besides the point, they all need to be disarmed anyway and this is a settled issue as far as I am concerned
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unwantedplatypus posted:The country isn’t doomed and American leftists aren’t uniquely bad, imo. The left is just weak and people don’t see a viable route to change. Which is understandable. I think we might have to fight very hard for a better world, and we aren’t guaranteed to succeed, but there is hope. can I have what you’re smoking pls
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ex post facho posted:the Democrats are going to get destroyed in 90 days Insha'Allah Hopefully also amerikka
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ex post facho posted:ok please take gunchat somewhere else. guns are bad but also good????? thanks we've exhausted this long argument. 100 days there's a special on msnbc with joe scarborough right now lmbo
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IMO the material conditions required for a revolutionary socialist movement to seriously build steam is so severely oppressive and different than current conditions in America that worrying about access to arms is basically irrelevant right now. All that said, the gun lobby seems so dead set on selling rope that no serious restrictions are ever going to happen.
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was private gun ownership widespread prior to the american revolution or something that rose out of creating the us army and fighting the war?
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Real hurthling! posted:was private gun ownership widespread prior to the american revolution or something that rose out of creating the us army and fighting the war? nope, like ten percent of settlers had a gun. they didn’t hunt in like widespread numbers they just ate domesticated stuff i have to imagine guns were likely far more expensive in terms of a persons wealth at the time but that’s clearly just a blind guess
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maybe modern us could not have guns for everyday and instead in case of revolution, seize them from armories and get foreign arms shipments like everyone else in history im assuming
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chairman xi, my people yearn for freedom
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Real hurthling! posted:was private gun ownership widespread prior to the american revolution or something that rose out of creating the us army and fighting the war? there's a letter from washington where he's marveling at how few and lovely the mustered troops arms' were
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the white hand posted:there's a letter from washington where he's marveling at how few and lovely the mustered troops arms' were isn’t that basically the origin of the 2nd amendment?
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ikanreed posted:Imagine a society where the ratio of assassinations to mass shootings was flipped 
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