The US will lose WW3

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Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Weka posted:

It seemed to work pretty good on Japan. The home islands lost about 4% of their population. I don't think Yemen's quite there yet, that'd be 1.2 million deaths.
MAD is what it is, for now at least, but that's only moderately helped by those oceans.

Just the first part, their war was always hopeless. Japanese colonialism WAS productive. They heavily industrialized Manchuko on top of all the raw materials they pulled out. Their war machine ran on oil from the ex-dutch east indies. Their colonies alone had half the GDP of France in dollar terms in 1938.
Compare this to America's spoils from it's last 20 years of war. Some oil profits. Despite never facing any serious opposition.

so basically the western world has been desperately trying to prevent an Asian empire from becoming a peer for the last century. by stalling out Japan and kicking the can we have given China free reign.

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Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

tazjin posted:

There were reports a few months ago of PLA soldiers secretly embedding with Russian Allied forces to witness some real-life street fighting in Ukraine; never heard anything more about that, wonder if it was true.

The PLA gets plenty of XP getting into shoving matches with the Indian Army at high altitude or alternatively exchanging cigarettes.

Rutibex posted:

so basically the western world has been desperately trying to prevent an Asian empire from becoming a peer for the last century. by stalling out Japan and kicking the can we have given China free reign.

Raising the big alarm about yellow races became a thing immediately after the first sino japanese war and began reaching a fever pitch afterwards. There were plenty of riots in the PNW on both the US and american side.

# ? Aug 1, 2022 11:14

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Wheeee posted:

cheap Chinese Norinco guns are well-made and reliable firearms, whatever is going on in that video clip isn�t indicative of normal performance of Chinese weapons

for the poster who asked, keyholing are those elongated holes in the paper caused by the bullet tumbling in flight and impacting sideways which is an extremely bad thing for ballistics, it�s low velocity training ammunition or something like another poster mentioned

Pooh-poohing twitter yanks should be much less concerned about PLA guns and much more concerned about themselves actually showing up to go toe-to-toe against stuff tougher than target boards, as Uvalde has proven

# ? Aug 1, 2022 11:32

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Even the dregs of twitter would I expect make better soldiers than the craven american police.

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Weka posted:

It seemed to work pretty good on Japan. The home islands lost about 4% of their population. I don't think Yemen's quite there yet, that'd be 1.2 million deaths.
MAD is what it is, for now at least, but that's only moderately helped by those oceans.

Not sure we should be using total population for Yemen. I want to say 15 million was the number of people actually in the war zone? Not sure we have any reliable number for dead too.

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Cabbages and VHS: Aug 25, 2004; Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

hot take: WWIII started as a financial war in the 80s at latest, went hot after 9/11 and continues to heat up

suggest thread title "lmao the US is already losing WWIII"

Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Aug 1, 2022

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tazjin: Jul 24, 2015

future history books will present different arguments about when ww3 started. Because everyone will be familiar with the event that ended it, however, its end date will be indisputable

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Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

tazjin posted:

future history books will present different arguments about when ww3 started. Because everyone will be familiar with the event that ended it, however, its end date will be indisputable

the united earth empire isn't gonna call it ww3, they will call it the Century of Misery and it started with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

# ? Aug 1, 2022 13:17

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

find the center of your building

https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1554061144519753730

# ? Aug 1, 2022 14:10

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Tankbuster posted:

I always thought that korea was a major source of rice and raw materials for japan and necessity forced the japanese to coopt local landlords into making stuff like agriculture and industry more productive.

Just like the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy were always fighting, the Japanese ruling class was split between people who wanted Manchuria and Korea to be industrialized and provide finished goods to the military, and people who wanted them to ship raw materials to Japan to be processed by industry there.

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Goon Boots: Feb 2, 2020

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

find the center of your building

https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1554061144519753730

i prefer to watch fireworks rather than just hear them, thanks

# ? Aug 1, 2022 14:27

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Cabbages and Kings posted:

hot take: WWIII started as a financial war in the 80s at latest, went hot after 9/11 and continues to heat up

suggest thread title "lmao the US is already losing WWIII"

What is commonly called WWII was really the later half of the first world war. WWII started in the 50s and appeared to have finished in 91 with the dissolution of the USSR but then BAHGAWD IT'S THE CPC's MUSIC!

genericnick posted:

Not sure we should be using total population for Yemen. I want to say 15 million was the number of people actually in the war zone? Not sure we have any reliable number for dead too.

Sounds about right. I couldn't figure out how to get this number earlier but 40 odd percent of Yemen's 30+ milion people are Shia which is probably a pretty good stand in.

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OK baizuo: Mar 19, 2021; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

find the center of your building

https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1554061144519753730

I'm close enough to a strategically important air force base that I'll be in the 5 psi overpressure zone (along with the eastern half of the Denver metro) if China drops one of their 3-5mt icbm warheads if things really pop off, very cool and good

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yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

american troops can't even stop killing each other and themselves with fentanyl

what's fort bragg's body count up to now lol

https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1499879482987057152

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skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1554218752140615687

I'm guessing the US didn't care about Afghanistan's sovereignty and just rolled up and did whatever.

# ? Aug 1, 2022 23:20

Virtual Russian: Sep 15, 2008

MyushiVerSCOOTY posted:

My guess is that they are using low velocity training rounds to reduce the risk of ricochet injury.

yeah looks like they use rubber rounds for cqb training

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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Virtual Russian posted:

yeah looks like they use rubber rounds for cqb training

why use rubber rounds instead of the ones that disintegrate

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Wheeee: Mar 11, 2001; When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

rubber bullets are also used for less-lethal riot control, training with them makes sense

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Tankbuster posted:

The PLA gets plenty of XP getting into shoving matches with the Indian Army at high altitude or alternatively exchanging cigarettes.

this is the international militarized equivalent of kittens fighting

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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Wheeee posted:

rubber bullets are also used for less-lethal riot control, training with them makes sense

they�re more wasteful and expensive though. plus that�s not riot control training that�s urban combat. either way the keyholing thing isn�t a real problem

# ? Aug 1, 2022 23:53

Filthy Hans: Jun 27, 2008; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 10 years!)

indigi posted:

they�re more wasteful and expensive though. plus that�s not riot control training that�s urban combat. either way the keyholing thing isn�t a real problem

rubber bullets are a lot less expensive if/when one of your soldiers shoots another during CQB training

# ? Aug 1, 2022 23:55

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Filthy Hans posted:

rubber bullets are a lot less expensive if/when one of your soldiers shoots another during CQB training

but only chinese are dumb enough to shoot their own unlike america

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Wait they can just blow up the 9/11 guys without invading the country?

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tazjin: Jul 24, 2015

Rutibex posted:

the united earth empire isn't gonna call it ww3, they will call it the Century of Misery and it started with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

always thought that "united earth empire" sounds kinda lame as the translation from the original russian

# ? Aug 2, 2022 01:13

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Mantis42 posted:

Wait they can just blow up the 9/11 guys without invading the country?

But then there are so many less opportunities for money laundering and graft.

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crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

skooma512 posted:

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1554218752140615687

I'm guessing the US didn't care about Afghanistan's sovereignty and just rolled up and did whatever.

looking forward to 9/11-2 in 10 years time

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Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

I can tell you as a rando soldier I'd much rather carry a QBZ-191 around than the poo poo the US military is planning on rolling out. The XM5 is about 9.9-10 pounds loaded, and uses a weird proprietary ammo type. The QBZ on the other hand uses the 5.8x42mm (standard chinese bullet) and weighs about 6.5 pounds unloaded

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atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

the difference between the boring qbz-191 where all the divergences from ar 15 design are described in the patent documents and statements as 'we have slightly changed the gas system to reduce wear by 3%, which combined with the reduced strain on the upper receiver will increase the lifespan of the system by 12% and reduce overall logistical overhead by 8% in exchange for a 1.6% increased unit cost' and the MIC's mcx spear going 'we doubled the weight of the rifle and ammo and also every barrel will need to be replaced after firing any amount of our proprietary 4 dollar bullets in exchange for shooting through armor better, also to do this we've given one european company a monopoly on all us military small arms' is a perfect little microcosm of us will lose ww3

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Alamani57: Dec 15, 2010

Cabbages and Kings posted:

hot take: WWIII started as a financial war in the 80s at latest, went hot after 9/11 and continues to heat up

Do you point to the 80's due to China's integration into the Western economic system? If so, that's fair, but I consider that more of a rivalry along the lines of the US/UK in the 19th and early 20th century.

I'm in favor of viewing 2008 as the starting point for WW3. That's when the Western dominated global system seized and entered a crisis it has yet, and may never, emerge from -and- when Putin appears to have given up with cooperation between Russia and the West. Listen to his 2007 speech in Munich for the general idea. A year later we had the Georgian War as well as far more direct threats from Vladimirovich.

I did wind up finding this speech by Lavrov in 2010 which put 2022 in perspective.

https://is.muni.cz/th/xlghl/DP_Fillinger_Speeches.pdf

quote:

As for Ukraine itself, unfortunately, at each stage of the crisis' development, our American colleagues, and under their influence, also the European Union, have been taking steps leading to escalation. This happened when the EU declined to involve Russia in the discussion of the consequences of implementing the economic block of the Association Agreement with Ukraine, which was followed by direct support of a coup d'etat, and anti-government riots prior to that.
This also happened when our western partners kept issuing indulgences to the Kiev authorities, who, rather than keeping their promise to launch nation-wide dialogue, began a large-scale military operation and labelled "terrorists" all those citizens who defied the unconstitutional change of power and the rule of ultranationalists.

It is very hard for us to explain why many of our colleagues fail to apply to Ukraine the universal principles of settling internal conflicts which presuppose, above all, an inclusive political dialogue between the protagonists. Why do our partners in the cases of Afghanistan, Libya,
Iraq, Yemen, Mali and South Sudan, for instance, urge the governments to talk with opposition, with rebels, in some cases even with extremists, whereas in the Ukrainian crisis, our partners act differently, in fact, encouraging Kiev's military operation, going so far as to justify or attempt to justify the use of cluster munitions.

. . .

The Ukrainian crisis cannot be settled by military force. This was confirmed last summer when the situation on the battlefield forced the participants to sign the Minsk Accords. It is being confirmed now as well, when the next attempt to gain a military victory is failing. Yet regardless of all that, more loud calls are being made in some western countries to step up support of the Kiev authorities' vector towards militarisation of society and the state, to "infuse" Ukraine with lethal weapons, to drag it into NATO. There is hope in the increased opposition in Europe to such plans, which can only make the tragedy of the Ukrainian people worse.

Russia will continue strive for establishing peace. We are consistently calling for the cessation of military activities, the withdrawal of heavy weapons and the start of direct talks between Kiev and Donetsk and Lugansk on practical steps to restore the common economic, social and political space within the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Numerous initiatives by President Putin were dedicated to exactly that within the Normandy format, which helped launch the Minsk process, and our further efforts on its expansion, including yesterday's talks in the Kremlin between the Russian, German and French leaders. As you know, these talks are ongoing. We believe that there is every possibility we will reach results and agree on recommendations that will really allow the parties to untie the knot of this conflict.

Twelve years ago.

https://www.unian.info/world/110340-analysis-russia-prepares-for-lengthy-battle-over-ukraine.html

quote:

In a March 31 article in "Izvestia," Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov, who is a leader of the pro-Kremlin Unified Russia party, urged Moscow not to extend its treaty of friendship, cooperation, and partnership with Ukraine. That document expires on April 1, 2009. The 1999 treaty establishes the border status of the Crimean Peninsula and the right of Russian Black Sea Fleet to use its base at Sevastopol. Luzhkov argued that withdrawing from the treaty would allow Russia to reopen its territorial claims on Crimea, which has an ethnic-Russian majority and was part of the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic (RSFSR) during the Soviet period.

The day after Luzhkov`s article appeared, some Duma deputies made similar arguments in hearings on the question of Ukraine`s possible NATO membership.

On April 7, "Kommersant" reported that Putin had questioned Ukraine`s right to exist during a closed-door Russia-NATO Council meeting in Bucharest. Citing an unidentified NATO source, the daily said Putin told his counterparts that in order to prevent Ukraine from joining the alliance, Russia was prepared to claim the eastern and southern parts of the country. "Ukraine will cease its existence as a state," Putin purportedly said.

Fifteen years ago.

In conclusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sFJbi7XZt0

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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

OK baizuo posted:

I'm close enough to a strategically important air force base that I'll be in the 5 psi overpressure zone (along with the eastern half of the Denver metro) if China drops one of their 3-5mt icbm warheads if things really pop off, very cool and good

I�m tempted to ride it out at DC�s metro station that�s 200 feet underground but driving into the Shenandoah is probably the easier and better option

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Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

Raskolnikov38 posted:

I�m tempted to ride it out at DC�s metro station that�s 200 feet underground but driving into the Shenandoah is probably the easier and better option

Depends, are you planning on playing modded or not?

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Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

serbia has already won ww3 you just dont know it yet

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Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

wow i was shitposting in reply to something 2 pages ago sorry

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Real hurthling! posted:

serbia has already ~~won~~ started ww3 you just dont know it yet

# ? Aug 2, 2022 06:06

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

skooma512 posted:

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1554218752140615687

I'm guessing the US didn't care about Afghanistan's sovereignty and just rolled up and did whatever.

wikipedia posted:

In June 2013, al-Zawahiri arbitrated against the merger of the Islamic State of Iraq with the Syrian-based Jabhat al-Nusra into Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as was declared in April by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.[124] Abu Mohammad al-Julani, leader of al-Nusra Front, affirmed the group's allegiance to al-Qaeda and al-Zawahiri.[125][126]

In September 2015, Zawahiri urged Islamic State (ISIL) to stop fighting al-Nusra Front, the official al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria,[127] and to unite with all other jihadists against the supposed alliance between America, Russia, Europe, Shiites and Iran, and Bashar al-Assad's Alawite regime.[128][129]

Ayman al-Zawahiri released a statement supporting jihad in Xinjiang against Chinese, jihad in the Caucasus against the Russians and naming Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan as battlegrounds

This guy was working for America, right?

# ? Aug 2, 2022 06:33

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Weka posted:

This guy was working for America, right?

from Max Blumenthal's "The Management of Savagery"

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Filthy Hans: Jun 27, 2008; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 10 years!)

atelier morgan posted:

the difference between the boring qbz-191 where all the divergences from ar 15 design are described in the patent documents and statements as 'we have slightly changed the gas system to reduce wear by 3%, which combined with the reduced strain on the upper receiver will increase the lifespan of the system by 12% and reduce overall logistical overhead by 8% in exchange for a 1.6% increased unit cost' and the MIC's mcx spear going 'we doubled the weight of the rifle and ammo and also every barrel will need to be replaced after firing any amount of our proprietary 4 dollar bullets in exchange for shooting through armor better, also to do this we've given one european company a monopoly on all us military small arms' is a perfect little microcosm of us will lose ww3

that proprietary ammo has a 3 part case, made with both brass and steel bits and I think aluminum too, sure it's more expensive but also now you need to source 3 metals instead of 1 just for the loving case

they also make a version of that ammo that's just brass-cased but the chamber pressure is much lower so it doesn't have the same ballistics or armor penetrating potential

# ? Aug 2, 2022 12:36

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Filthy Hans posted:

they also make a version of that ammo that's just brass-cased but the chamber pressure is much lower so it doesn't have the same ballistics or armor penetrating potential

if there was a video of an XM5 failing to penetrate armor or whatever people would be all over the replies pointing out that they just using the brass-case training rounds so it's all good

the Chinese use training rounds and it's like HMMM THEIR RIFLES SUCK???!!!

# ? Aug 2, 2022 12:53

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Filthy Hans posted:

that proprietary ammo has a 3 part case, made with both brass and steel bits and I think aluminum too, sure it's more expensive but also now you need to source 3 metals instead of 1 just for the loving case

they also make a version of that ammo that's just brass-cased but the chamber pressure is much lower so it doesn't have the same ballistics or armor penetrating potential

It's going to be funny when they switch to the brass cased ammo for cost saving purposes.

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Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

ammo should not be that complicated unless it's a silver tipped holy water filled round specially made for killing abominations of the night

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