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WhatEvil posted:Post-me-own-tweets Dibbler: Indeed.
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The Perfect Element posted:They couldn't even rustle up enough of an audience to fake canned laughter, so you can just hear the other participants awkwardly guffawing at the 'jokes'. The forced laughter of the cameraman and the producer, it was painful
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Aug 2, 2022 08:33
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WhatEvil posted:Post-me-own-tweets Dibbler: This was basically the premise for a US show that gave Tucker Carlson his break around 20 years ago. They invited John Stewart on for an episode, he called them out for being partisan hacks working for the status quo, and the show was cancelled a short time later.
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xtothez posted:This was basically the premise for a US show that gave Tucker Carlson his break around 20 years ago. They invited John Stewart on for an episode, he called them out for being partisan hacks working for the status quo, and the show was cancelled a short time later. That was Crossfire I think. I remember watching that episode by complete chance - and then when Stewart found out it had been cancelled he did a bit on other shows he’d like to appear on if he has that kind of power. I think Carlson tried to deflect by showing examples of when Stewart had “flip flopped” and JS basically said “I’m a comedian, I can do that. You’re supposed to be a journalist.” Crossfire really was poo poo.
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Only Kindness posted:More violence for the senses. The top bit is worse. Since it glossing over the inequality and sexisim in professional sports while at the same time trying to push a "yes the far right is massing to remove women's rights. But the England's woman's team won in the women's European Championships, so women's rights have been won!" The bottom bit is Liz arguably doing something good (Getting rid of regressive taxes based on bad science) for the wrong reasons. (Doing it to make herself popular with the Tories/"removing the Nanny state.") The problem with things like Sugar Tax and the like.... 1) They lead to counter productive results. (The price of drinks with sugar go up, to discourage people from drinking "unhealthy" drinks. But that means the cheaper/more economic drinks end up being the zero sugar ones which have things like Saccrine or Spartamine in them. Which is also bad for your health just in different ways.) 2) A lot of the science behind these "sugar is bad for you" when you drill down is science from the 1930's which boiled down to "If you are fat it must be because you eat too many pies, fatty! The Medical Article." Basically the foundation for a lot of the scientific research into food, obesity and health either uses a lot of wildly out of date material (still accepted as gospel) or all funded by the diet industry.
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Aug 2, 2022 09:35
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Agree with point two, but are artificial sweeteners really that bad for you? Every time I’ve looked I’ve not found conclusive evidence.
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Aug 2, 2022 09:41
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The Question IRL posted:The top bit is worse. It's Julie Burchill, the "women's very existence being denied" bit is a terf dogwhistle reference to trans people wanting to not be misgendered
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Aug 2, 2022 09:45
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Would that my brain were so soft that I could experience ego death because someone asked me call them a different name. A head full of delicious neural blancmange.
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Aug 2, 2022 09:47
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yung lambic posted:Agree with point two, but are artificial sweeteners really that bad for you? Every time I’ve looked I’ve not found conclusive evidence. I don't think there's any proof of, like, toxicity, but that your body detects sweetness and reacts expecting sugars only to not get them, which leads to digestion disruption.
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Aug 2, 2022 09:52
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Angepain posted:It's Julie Burchill, the "women's very existence being denied" bit is a terf dogwhistle reference to trans people wanting to not be misgendered it's not even really a dogwhistle. there's only one way to take that line, it's all very out in the open. i don't know if it's working but i am hoping that things being as poo poo as they are in the UK these days, this manufactured hysteria over trans rights isn't going to cut through. it's beyond pathetic.
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yung lambic posted:Agree with point two, but are artificial sweeteners really that bad for you? Every time I’ve looked I’ve not found conclusive evidence. There is a lot of material to comb through. It is starting to look likely that some (not all but some) are bad when it comes to developing diabetes. Others (as has been noted anecdotally because I used to suffer from it) have pointed out that it can be bad for your digestive health. Basically some of them can give you the runs something fierce.
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Aug 2, 2022 09:55
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Yeah, 99% of the stuff about artificial sweeteners is for sugar manufacturers what the "but unleaded petrol contains benzene, that is carcinogenic" was for petrol manufacturers. Like yes there's an order of magnitude in harm reduction between the two even if the replacement isn't perfect, but the manufacturers aren't raising all these 'legitimate concerns' about the replacement they're being pressured to make out of concern for your health. OwlFancier posted:Would that my brain were so soft that I could experience ego death because someone asked me call them a different name.
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Aug 2, 2022 09:57
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The Question IRL posted:Basically some of them can give you the runs something fierce. In my youth I once consumed two rolls of sugar free polo mints and having blasted the porcelain with my rump waterfall learned to never again trust the loathsome fakesweet.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:01
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i've never had any kind of problem with sweeteners and i use them 4/5 times a day in coffee. must be one of those things that upsets some people but for others it is fine.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:04
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Chinese Gordon posted:Does feel pretty inevitable that PM Pork Markets is gonna have to do something drastic to avert literal civil unrest at some point though. £500/month energy bills will just be absolutely unsustainable. PM PM is going to be a wild ride for many reasons, but yeah I don't think she's equipped to handle the cost of living crisis finally hitting middle classes.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:04
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Being real I did use cyclamate as a sweetener and it was fine. Two whole rolls of whichever sweetener is in polos is a different matter as the sweetener is also sold as a laxative.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:06
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roomtone posted:i've never had any kind of problem with sweeteners and i use them 4/5 times a day in coffee. must be one of those things that upsets some people but for others it is fine. I think it's mostly sugar alcohols like sorbitol that cause this. The stevia sweeteners you'd be putting in your coffee are absolutely fine. It's plausible that heavy use has some disruptive effect on your gut microbiome, but that would be more than offset by increasing your level of dietary fibre
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Aug 2, 2022 10:07
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roomtone posted:i don't know if it's working but i am hoping that things being as poo poo as they are in the UK these days, this manufactured hysteria over trans rights isn't going to cut through. it's beyond pathetic. The picture isn't all bad but things don't seem to be improving much (let alone enough) in terms of public opinion https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1549692153365991424 The most interesting part of the article here was how much difference there was in opinion between people who didn't personally know any trans people, people who knew at least one and people who had a friend or family member who was trans. Which is probably to be expected and might also be correlated with age but still.
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Tesseraction posted:Being real I did use cyclamate as a sweetener and it was fine. Two whole rolls of whichever sweetener is in polos is a different matter as the sweetener is also sold as a laxative.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:09
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Guavanaut posted:I think I managed to cause psychic damage to a ter with if you want to play for the England women's team should you have to be biologically English? (w'gah)NGL fish person football would be quite interesting and it would keep michael gove out of politics.
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Angepain posted:It's Julie Burchill, the "women's very existence being denied" bit is a terf dogwhistle reference to trans people wanting to not be misgendered Like some kind of 'replacement theory' 
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Guavanaut posted:Cyclamate is the best sweetener, in that it doesn't make you poo poo like the sugar alcohols, nor taste like poo poo like stevia, but it was victim to the first round of "literally made out of cancers" round of fear blanketing from the sugar companies in the 60s, to the point where it's still banned in the USA (where you can get all the paint based colorings you desire) but has been found to be safe beyond reasonable doubt by the EU. Yeah, it was found to cause cancer in rats and if it ends up giving me cancer too then I am happy to have contributed to the scientific cause in the discovery of human-rat chimerality.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:13
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Aug 2, 2022 10:18
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah, it was found to cause cancer in rats and if it ends up giving me cancer too then I am happy to have contributed to the scientific cause in the discovery of human-rat chimerality. Wasn't that "if you stuff enough of it into the rat that you have practically embalmed it in cyclamate then this causes problems for the rat"
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Chinese Gordon posted:Does feel pretty inevitable that PM Pork Markets is gonna have to do something drastic to avert literal civil unrest at some point though. £500/month energy bills will just be absolutely unsustainable.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:20
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Guavanaut posted:Cyclamate is the best sweetener, in that it doesn't make you poo poo like the sugar alcohols, nor taste like poo poo like stevia, but it was victim to the first round of "literally made out of cancers" round of fear blanketing from the sugar companies in the 60s, to the point where it's still banned in the USA (where you can get all the paint based colorings you desire) but has been found to be safe beyond reasonable doubt by the EU. Speaking of sweeteners, Xylitol is a good tasty sweetener that has few negative health effects..... Unless you are a dog. In which case it is super loving toxic.
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The Question IRL posted:Speaking of sweeteners, Xylitol is a good tasty sweetener that has few negative health effects..... So is chocolate tbf.
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OwlFancier posted:Wasn't that "if you stuff enough of it into the rat that you have practically embalmed it in cyclamate then this causes problems for the rat" *Chuckles Paracelsus-ishly*
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The Question IRL posted:Speaking of sweeteners, Xylitol is a good tasty sweetener that has few negative health effects..... I used to sell packets of Smints in high school and got dragged into the headmaster's office because they thought Xylitol was an addictive drug.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I think it's mostly sugar alcohols like sorbitol that cause this. The stevia sweeteners you'd be putting in your coffee are absolutely fine. Stevia absolutely gives me the runs. I tried out some of those 'Skinny' products they have - Home Bargains sells a lot of them - sauces, fake nutella, biscuits and so forth - and without a doubt if I ate them in the same quantity as a regular item eg a pack of cookies - they increase bathroom visits considerably. So yeah it's ok when used in products but if you are the sort of person whose eating habits consider the quantum of the biscuit to be a pack, then watch out! And it does have a not so great after taste too. I've tried xylitol too and found the same.
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Aug 2, 2022 10:29
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Liz Truss going down the route of actively trying to cut teacher and nurse pay rather than the moderate passive way of just waiting for inflation to do it for them has finally shown some daylight between the Tories and Labour. Can't wait for Labour to chase them to the Right to actively close that gap.
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If Truss can ditch the sugar tax and bring back Irn Bru as God intended I'll vote Tory.
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There's two main sweeteners they use in the diet colas, I forget which is which but the one used mainly in Pepsi Max/Coke Zero gives me an awful headache, while Diet Pepsi/Coke doesn't. I remember a few years back when Coca Cola made Coke Life, which used stevia or something similar and had less sugar in than normal, but tasted a lot less tacky than regular Coke. Unfortunately they called it Coke Life, put it in an ugly green can and marketed it towards the kind of people who say namaste unironically, so the instant I saw it I knew it was doomed.
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OwlFancier posted:(w'gah)NGL fish person football would be quite interesting and it would keep michael gove out of politics. I distantly as a small child asking my nan about various religions and things people believed, and getting an answer along the lines of "people believe all different things, some people believe god created the heavens and earth and put people on it, others believe the earth was around for a long time and gods came out of the water to put people on land." Some people definitely believe the former, sometimes to the point of blocking out all reason like Edwin Poots, but growing up I didn't really see anything of any group of people who believed the latter even socially, certainly not enough that it would get casually included in a "some people believe all different things" story. Maybe it was a Bowdlerised version of the Japanese one involving the god's bawbag? Much more recently (like a few days ago) I happened across this: quote:Five years earlier right-wing think tank Civitas had launched a campaign to get Marshall’s deeply odd book back into print and on to school library shelves – and to that end they had been aggressively grooming various friends in high places. On 20th July 2007, another think tanker, the historian Tristram Hunt, deliberately name-checked Our Island Story on BBC Breakfast and sales immediately rocketed, much to the delight of Civitas and its supporters. Daily Telegraph readers, Gove-ite Tories and nascent Brexiters from all sides adored the notion of the “Our Island Story Movement” quote:On coming to office, an on-message PM Dave Cameron cited Our Island Story as his favourite book in what was now a clear, cynical and concerted ploy to embrace a fictional past and to actively ignore truth and critical thinking. I've somehow managed to avoid ever hearing of this book. I know what Gove and Hunt and so on wanted to do to the history curriculum, replacing all that woke critical analysis with kings and dates and good solid facts, right? Henry the eighth, George the dime bag, 1066, 1690, 1707, So I went and found a copy, expecting a whole bunch of that. Original Copyright 1905 by H. E. Marshall, Distributed by Heritage History 2009. Our Island Story posted:Once upon a time there was a giant called Neptune. Our Island Story posted:As soon as it came in sight, Neptune raised himself on a big wave, and when he saw the little island lying before him, like a beautiful gem in the blue water, just as the mermaid had said, he cried out in joy, “This is the island of my love. Albion shall rule it and Albion it shall be called.” Our Island Story posted:It was now the King of Ireland's turn to laugh. “What mad people these Britons are!” he said. “Was ever such folly heard of? Have they not enough stones in their own country, that they must come to take mine? I shall certainly not give them one single stone of the Giant‟s Dance. Tell them to go home again and not to be so foolish.” This is wilder than the magic oranges. Was there really a movement to replace evidence and dialectic based history with fighting Irish giants for rocks? And it worked? And nobody made a bigger deal about Michael Gove wanting to replace parts of this history curriculum with mermen while he was writing his own foreword to the Bible? It's the kind of thing I would have expected to have been made more of at the time. 
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:There's two main sweeteners they use in the diet colas, I forget which is which but the one used mainly in Pepsi Max/Coke Zero gives me an awful headache, while Diet Pepsi/Coke doesn't. Aspartame is the one in Max/Zero but in the last 10 years Diet moved to the same.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Liz Truss going down the route of actively trying to cut teacher and nurse pay rather than the moderate passive way of just waiting for inflation to do it for them has finally shown some daylight between the Tories and Labour. Can't wait for Labour to chase them to the Right to actively close that gap. Labour have called it a "fantasy plan for levelling down" and that's such a good description that I fully expect that spokesman to be fired by the end of the day
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah, it was found to cause cancer in rats and if it ends up giving me cancer too then I am happy to have contributed to the scientific cause in the discovery of human-rat chimerality. Being fat also causes cancer (among other things) so hypothetical cancer in rats is far preferable unless you happen you're Rattus rattus
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Z the IVth posted:Being fat also causes cancer (among other things) so hypothetical cancer in rats is far preferable unless you happen you're Rattus rattus At this point everything causes cancer
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It's true, but it's also like the "everything's racist these days, isn't it" of nutrition in that there's a bunch of bad actors using it to cover their own actions while making GBS threads on any progress. The Rhetoric of Reaction and all that.
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