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i think we've been over this itt, where people can't figure out how to write a rubric that's anything other than "is literally this correct answer," like they've never thought about how to grade an essay/paper before smdh
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carry on then posted:it will absolutely turn into this in the hands of most programmers who conduct interviews see this is why you write a rubric, if they say "didnt like elden ring" under the "can have a conversation" line maybe we're gonna throw that out and have them do some more interview training
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Achmed Jones posted:see this is why you write a rubric, if they say "didnt like elden ring" under the "can have a conversation" maybe we're gonna throw that out and have you do some more interview training i'm coming at this from the perspective of an interviewee, where i can't assume that these questions are being evaluated properly
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it's basically: are you gonna make appropriate conversations in the office or are to gonna talk about your piss fetish in an interview. it's a pretty easy filter posting pals. just say you read the news in your industry (scroll yospos) and like to chat with your colleagues (poo poo post)
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excited to mention i like weightlifting in answer to the question and see which of these i get: a) rolled eyes and a rendition of that "every weight lifted represents a book not read" tweet b) you don't look like you lift c) a 2-hour seminar on the glory of crossfit
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Aug 2, 2022 18:48
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PokeJoe posted:it's basically: are you gonna make appropriate conversations in the office or are to gonna talk about your piss fetish in an interview. it's a pretty easy filter posting pals. just say you read the news in your industry (scroll yospos) and like to chat with your colleagues (poo poo post) exactly this
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even bitching about elden ring is a kind of conversation. It's better than saying ' i just work and sleep and eat' like a code robot
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carry on then posted:excited to mention i like weightlifting in answer to the question and see which of these i get: i don't think you have to worry about this kind of interview. you clearly work at a movie theatre giving how hard you're projecting
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carry on then posted:excited to mention i like weightlifting in answer to the question and see which of these i get: D) cool I like to exercise too
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PokeJoe posted:It's better than saying ' i just work and sleep and eat' like a code robot most of hackernews would disagree lol
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Achmed Jones posted:i don't think you have to worry about this kind of interview. you clearly work at a movie theatre giving how hard you're projecting 
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Achmed Jones posted:i don't think you have to worry about this kind of interview. you clearly work at a movie theatre giving how hard you're projecting projecting what lol
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having hobbies and having hobbies that the interviewer thinks are positive traits are very different things sometimes, which is what this discussion is about
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crossfit is a cult tho, that's undeniable
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silvergoose posted:having hobbies and having hobbies that the interviewer thinks are positive traits are very different things sometimes, which is what this discussion is about yeah this
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Aug 2, 2022 18:51
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carry on then posted:excited to mention i like weightlifting in answer to the question and see which of these i get: You can always smile and nod, if you really want the job.
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Aug 2, 2022 18:52
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Hobbies aren't an LP, ergo, they have no interview value.
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PokeJoe posted:do you nerds seriously have zero hobbies zero non embarrassing hobbies for example, posting on dead Web 1.0 comedy forums sports aren’t even necessarily safe in tech.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:You can always smile and nod, if you really want the job. once i've received one of those options, the interviewer has already mentally put my resume in the trash because "they aren't sufficiently Like Me"
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Aug 2, 2022 18:53
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another thing computer touchers always need reminding on: you are allowed to lie. just lie. interviews have the same relation to the actual truth as the first 5 minutes of a first date or the first 5 minutes at a used car dealership
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Aug 2, 2022 18:54
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people bring up their hobbies in interviews unprompted all the time and even though 90% of them sound lame as poo poo to me i still have to hire *somebody*
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No Wave posted:Hobbies aren't an LP, ergo, they have no interview value. “learn and be curious” maybe
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Aug 2, 2022 18:55
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I'm not trying to say anything about conversational fluff questions is difficult for the interviewee. But they invite bias and are pointless when much more useful questions like "tell me about a time you disagreed with a coworker" exist
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even if you have turbo-nerd hobbies no one cares. if you paint big titty anime statues for fun just say you like to paint. it's not that loving hard
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bob dobbs is dead posted:another thing computer touchers always need reminding on: you are allowed to lie. just lie. interviews have the same relation to the actual truth as the first 5 minutes of a first date or the first 5 minutes at a used car dealership I’m not sure the sales like “lying but not lying” is a good approach to a first date I mean, if you want more dates anyway
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Aug 2, 2022 18:56
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personally the question is generally a win for me in interviews -- i talk about working/hacking on pinball machines and use that to tie back into troubleshooting/engineering. that said, i have plenty of friends and family who have completely dropped all hobbies beyond what their kids do, and occasionally poo poo posting on the internet.
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lol that ppl can't imagine _not_ rejecting applicants based on their hobbies
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supabump posted:I'm not trying to say anything about conversational fluff questions is difficult for the interviewee. But they invite bias and are pointless when much more useful questions like "tell me about a time you disagreed with a coworker" exist Why not talk/lie about a hobby, and then tie it to a story about how you learned something or how it helped you do something better at work?
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Achmed Jones posted:lol that ppl can't imagine _not_ rejecting applicants based on their hobbies if you aren't using it as a filter, why use it at all? there are plenty of work related questions you can ask that provide an indicator of whether the person is capable of conversation, so why ask a question that puts them in the position of potentially having to disclose information you don't want to know as a means of not sounding like a total loser?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:another thing computer touchers always need reminding on: you are allowed to lie. just lie. interviews have the same relation to the actual truth as the first 5 minutes of a first date or the first 5 minutes at a used car dealership
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this is one of those moments where I wonder if I'm just dumb because I just answer the hobby question honestly and I don't think I've ever worried or thought about it all that much
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I collect used condoms I find in the gutter. When I get enough of them I staple them all to a big canvas and hang it up on my wall somewhere. I'm gonna bring one of my pieces of art to the office my first day
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supabump posted:I'm not trying to say anything about conversational fluff questions is difficult for the interviewee. But they invite bias and are pointless when much more useful questions like "tell me about a time you disagreed with a coworker" exist yeah you're generally correct here - that's why you gotta rubric up. i think small talk type stuff can give valuable signal and more importantly helps candidates ease into talking to you and leads to better outcomes (anecdotally based on my experience), but you have to specifically guard against the bias it can introduce if you want to use it. "gently caress it, i only care about technical stuff" is one very good guard method - but you gotta have some weirdo/rear end in a top hat filter somewhere in the process. if that's in somebody else's interview and not your technical one then 💯
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Why not talk/lie about a hobby, and then tie it to a story about how you learned something or how it helped you do something better at work? the question isn't "how do I handle being asked what my hobbies are waaah" it's "this is a weird systemic thing that isn't particularly useful and may be detrimental to getting the best talent. maybe we should stop asking it"
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nudgenudgetilt posted:if you aren't using it as a filter, why use it at all? there are plenty of work related questions you can ask that provide an indicator of whether the person is capable of conversation, so why ask a question that puts them in the position of potentially having to disclose information you don't want to know as a means of not sounding like a total loser? i already wrote the signal received and part of a rubric entry for it above
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Sleng Teng posted:this is one of those moments where I wonder if I'm just dumb because I just answer the hobby question honestly and I don't think I've ever worried or thought about it all that much i feel like there are two conversations going on. as an interviewee, there is basically no downside to answering the question honestly as an interviewer, there are pitfalls around the question that quickly reveal protected information, so the question should be avoided
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As an interviewee you should definitely be ready for a hobby question though obviously, this whole discussion is proof of that.
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You gotta spend 40 hours a week with your coworkers being able to hold a half assed conversation about an abritrary not work topic can easily be considered part of many jobs. What if you need to be personable to customers and you can't even come up some dumbass acecdote for an interview you had notice to plan for? You're a poo poo candidate!
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No Wave posted:There are lies you can get away with easily and ones you can't. A lie that always works is a time you came up with a solution to a difficult problem where you claim a co-worker's idea was your own. It's basically airtight as long as you understand what the solution was. Other lies are harder though if the interviewer starts asking for more and more details. yeah, prepped lie is better than off the cuff
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supabump posted:the question isn't "how do I handle being asked what my hobbies are waaah" Don't you think figuring out someone's personality might be good for a job? You work with people, wouldn't you want someone who isn't a weirdo working with you? I am still not seeing what the issue is.
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