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SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't know where to put this but I honestly think that Trump endorsing "Eric" in Arizona was actually on purpose so he can claim that his supported candidate won no matter who it is.

"Everyone knows who I meant and that it was Eric __________ of course but the fake news media is trying to smear me. Those other Erics are losers and I would never endorse them."

It was Missouri.

Here is a Politico article about it. It was absolutely on purpose.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/02/lobbying-trumps-missouri-endorsement-00049183

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DeathSandwich: Apr 24, 2008; I fucking hate puzzles.

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Currently the state has a GOP supermajority in both chambers and the gov race for Nov is a tossup so I wouldn't hold my breath. Yes the amendment failed but the GOP could pass an abortion ban over even a governor's veto any time they want. I'm guessing they'll wait until Jan to do so.

The vote is surprising but not too surprising. A poo poo ton of the people (white women) who voted against the amendment today will go right back to voting straight ticket R in Nov. Racism/bigotry is more important to them than their bodily autonomy. They'll vote to protect abortion as a single issue, but it's not enough of a reason to support giving money to minorities.

They actually tried the other year and it was shot down by the state Supreme court because of the Kansas constitution. That's the whole reason the amendment was being voted for - they wanted to change the constitution so their draconian ban would be legal.

Like, not for nothing but the amendment failing is petty significant.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 15:30

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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I think Alex Jones has realized he is going to lose this case and is just trying to preserve his cred with his viewers now.

He tied up about half of all his money into the show, so even if he loses most of his personal assets, then he still has money in the show for a while. The problem is that if you announce that, then the bankruptcy court knows you are trying to defraud them.

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554589580778684416
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554585560647442435
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554586876207570946
https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1554586167852601345

In addition to all of this, the Judge told Jones to stop talking to the parents and harassing them. The Judge recessed and left the courtroom, then Jones immediately walked over to the parents and got caught on a hot mic yelling at the parents.

He walks over and the parents' attorney stops him and says, "No. Cut that out we're not doing this. That's not even a thought, that's not the way this goes."

Jones accuses the attorney of getting the parents worked up by feeding them fake videos of their kid dying and the mom yells, ""Shut your mouth!"

Jones replies, "That's what you're trying to do, shut my mouth, and you won't!"

This is immediately after the mom broke down in the courtroom testifying about how she received death threats from people telling her that they would kill her if she didn't publicly confess to being an actor and that she never had a son.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1554539801105293319
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1554542830466514946

# ? Aug 3, 2022 15:30

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't know where to put this but I honestly think that Trump endorsing "Eric" in Arizona was actually on purpose so he can claim that his supported candidate won no matter who it is.

"Everyone knows who I meant and that it was Eric __________ of course but the fake news media is trying to smear me. Those other Erics are losers and I would never endorse them."

Duh.

If you would ever doubt that, you have genuine problems.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 15:43

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

DeathSandwich posted:

They actually tried the other year and it was shot down by the state Supreme court because of the Kansas constitution. That's the whole reason the amendment was being voted for - they wanted to change the constitution so their draconian ban would be legal.

Like, not for nothing but the amendment failing is petty significant.

It is also locally very important until we get abortion federally legalized. Right now, if it was banned in Kansas then someone in southern Kansas or eastern Oklahoma who needs an abortion would have to drive about 600 miles to Denver or about 650 miles to Albuquerque. Kansas is now an island in the middle of a huge forced birth hellscape where women can go.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 15:54

Cranappleberry: Jan 27, 2009

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I think Alex Jones has realized he is going to lose this case and is just trying to preserve his cred with his viewers now.

yeah he's totally screwed insofar as the eventual jury decision+ruling on damages in the cases he was defaulted on. He'll appeal, he'll try to move/hide his assets even more than he has and simultaneously continue with bankruptcy proceedings. He'll stall. He'll flat-out refuse to pay, which will eat yet more time and lead to cases/proceedings/rulings on collection until the issue is finally forced.

But a comment on the statement I'm quoting: a majority of his viewers/listeners will believe him even if he contradicts himself on camera or even in the same sentence. He does it all the time. He did it with respect the January 6th hearings and even about Stewart Rhodes, who guest-hosted Alex's show and has now been convicted of seditious conspiracy

Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Aug 3, 2022

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:01

DeathSandwich: Apr 24, 2008; I fucking hate puzzles.

Rigel posted:

It is also locally very important until we get abortion federally legalized. Right now, if it was banned in Kansas then someone in southern Kansas or eastern Oklahoma who needs an abortion would have to drive about 600 miles to Denver or about 650 miles to Albuquerque. Kansas is now an island in the middle of a huge forced birth hellscape where women can go.

Kansans go to Oklahoma for legal weed, and Oklahomans come here for legal abortion. What a world we live in.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:12

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Fetterman's purchase of a Cameo from Jersey Shore's Snooki (where she did not realize she was sending it to Dr. Oz or making it for a political campaign) has caused Cameo to try and make it harder to trick celebrities and the FEC to consider whether a political campaign buying a celebrity cameo constitutes a "paid endorsement" for legal reasons.

https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/1554852148952944640

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To Cameo or not to Cameo? That�s the question for political campaigns

It was just another day on Cameo for Nicole �Snooki� Polizzi, but political campaigning may never be the same.

Her message to �Maymet� (as she pronounced it) last month had all the usual Cameo vibes, from the awkward selfie angle to the slapdash delivery.

�I heard that you moved from New Jersey to Pennsylvania to look for a new job. And, personally, I don�t know why anyone would want to leave Jersey, because it�s like the best place ever, and we�re all hot messes,� she says in the 47-second video.

It didn�t take long for the internet to figure out the joke. The video was aimed at Republican Senate candidate Mehmet Oz, and the mastermind behind it was his Democratic opponent, John Fetterman.

His team commissioned the video on the Cameo platform, where fans can pay celebrities for personalized shoutouts, and then posted it on Twitter and watched it explode.

The video cost about $400 and was a natural �next step,� said a spokesman for Fetterman. In a quest to paint Oz as a carpetbagger, they�ve left no digital stone unturned. So why not use Cameo too?

That�s the question for future campaigns. �We�ve seen candidates throwing these Hail Marys out there on this advertising platform that we haven�t seen weaponized yet,� said Casey Burgat, director of the legislative affairs program at George Washington University.

The whole point right now is to go viral, he added. �It�s all about eyeballs to see this, to get free media on what you�re paying for in the first place.�

Fetterman is not the first politician to use Cameo � and not even the first to use the platform to call out an opponent�s New Jersey connections. During a failed bid for Montana governor last cycle, Democrat Mike Cooney tried to do something similar by commissioning a video message from former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. But most candidates have stayed away.

And that means a lot of unanswered questions. For campaigns looking to weaponize Cameo, how far is too far?

It�s not clear if Polizzi knew she was recording a dig at a politician, or if the �Jersey Shore� star really thought she was sending an innocent shoutout to a local boy at heart.

�Jersey loves you,� she says in the video, before blowing a kiss.

Requests to speak with Polizzi went unreturned from her clothing store The Snooki Shop, wine label Messy Mawma Wine by Snooki, her MAWMA baby gear, and the company producing �Jersey Shore Family Vacation.�

She didn�t publicly complain or cry foul, though, like Christie did in 2020. After making a video urging a guy named �Greg� to come back to New Jersey, Christie sounded irate. He had been tricked into helping Democrats, he tweeted, and never meant to troll his fellow Republican Greg Gianforte, who went on to win his governor�s race.

But it might not matter either way, said Michael Toner, an attorney who once served on the Federal Election Commission, nominated under President George W. Bush.

While Cameo stresses in its terms of service that videos are not sold but merely licensed to customers � who may use them �solely for their own personal, non-commercial, and non-promotional purposes� � campaign finance rules are another story.

�I don�t see under the law any requirement that a campaign needs to be straightforward with the influencer or needs to disclose how the end product is going to be used,� Toner said.

If a federal campaign pays for an online endorsement or advertisement, it must report that to the FEC. Beyond that, the agency has very little to say about the digital equivalent of the Wild West.

�There�s no way the FEC is keeping up with all of the new platforms. They�re not specifically addressing them,� said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of OpenSecrets, a group that tracks political spending.

In the past, she�s seen campaigns pull celebrities into their orbit by paying for amorphous consulting work, but a platform like Cameo is more transactional.

It�s hard to put a dollar figure on a celebrity�s intangible �it� factor. Or as Krumholz put it: �What is the fair market value of an endorsement from Snooki versus Brad Pitt versus Tom Cruise?�

But Cameo does exactly that, with D-listers selling their time to fans for a listed price � which in some ways makes it more transparent. �It is probably helpful that the celebrity is themselves putting a value on their snippet for the public,� Krumholz said. �It�s not as if there�s one cost for everyone else, but then a different cost for political campaigns.�

A �viral button�
It used to be that openly paying for an endorsement might look tacky and desperate � something campaigns would want to avoid.

On Cameo, though, being kitschy is the whole point. And the video Polizzi made isn�t a straightforward plug for one candidate over another. It�s more complicated than that � an earnest-sounding message that Fetterman�s campaign could leverage into a joke.

�What�s really being said here are double entendres,� and humor on social media these days tends to be tongue-in-cheek, said Krumholz. �I doubt very much that any FEC rulemaking is going to get into the weeds to that level, to prohibit any of that kind of creative approach.�

The calculation for campaigns now is how to hit the �viral button� without coming across as insincere. Effective digital strategies start with authenticity and a willingness to experiment, said Hilary Loewenstein, a senior director at the progressive consulting firm Bully Pulpit Interactive.

Loewenstein cited a video featuring now-Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren talking about taxing the wealthy during the Democrat�s run in 2011. It captured the mood at the time, took off and was circulated widely, despite the social media audience being a fraction of what it is today.

�A lot on the internet has evolved since that video. But there�s certainly still room for folks like the lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania to meet the moment,� she said.

The 6-foot-9 tattooed Fetterman, who has a shaved head and wears a trademark hoodie, has his own style. He�s walking the line between being relatable and running a savvy meme machine.

�He�s always been a pretty prolific Twitter user,� said Fetterman spokesman Joe Calvello. �So we really channel his brand throughout the channels, whether it�s him posting or a collection of staff posting.�

Fetterman, sidelined from the campaign trail since May after suffering a stroke, stayed in the news as the attention-grabbing tweets kept coming.

One showed a plane trailing a banner reading �Hey Dr. Oz. Welcome home to NJ!� flying over the Jersey Shore, while another encouraged supporters to sign a petition inducting Oz into the New Jersey Hall of Fame. There were serious posts too, like one decrying high gas prices and calling out oil companies for record profits.

Giving Cameo a try was a natural fit. �We do not write off the digital sphere at all,� said Calvello.

As for Oz, he hasn�t fired back with a Cameo video yet. Asked about his opponent�s social media prowess, Oz spokeswoman Brittany Yanick pointed to the campaign�s own efforts. One tweet pasted Fetterman�s face on a milk carton to emphasize his absence from the trail, while another used a cartoon meme showing two spidermen pointing at each other. The point was to draw a connection between Fetterman and democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

�It�s clear that John Fetterman has time to sit in his basement and post on Twitter, but he can�t find time to publicly meet with voters,� she said in an email.

The race in Pennsylvania to replace retiring GOP Sen. Pat Toomey, rated Tilt Republican by Inside Elections with Nathan L. Gonzales, is expected to be one of the most expensive and consequential, as Democrats try to hold a razor-thin majority in the 50-50 Senate.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:35

Blind Pineapple: Oct 27, 2010; For The Perfect Fruit 'n' Kaman

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IT BURNS posted:

Yeah, it had a reputation as a bellwether state, which it ceased to be in 2008 when they voted for McCain (that they didn't certify their election results for a while after Obama was declared the overall winner pending a recount in Missouri). Since then it's become red AF, or maybe it was that way since GWB.

Missouri had a D governor up until 2016, believe it or not. Claire McCaskill also served 3 straight terms ending in 2018, but she did get a gift for her last term with Akin's "legitimate rape" interview before the culture shift really set in. Akin would've absolutely won post-Trump.

What really did the state in was racism. They broke off on Obama, and then the Michael Brown shooting finally polarized everyone. Trump was of course the perfect candidate to exploit that, and Greitens/Parsons/Hawley rode those coattails and have had the state circling the drain ever since. Now Missouri is a state where progressive ballot measures win 52-48, while state-wide and national republicans win 60-40 with a republican super-majority in the state legislature that spends its entire term undoing or not enforcing the progressive ballot measure wins. There's still some semblance of self-respect for the citizens (see: repeated resounding defeats for right to work initiatives), but not enough to not vote for the frothing racists every time.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:40

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Youth Decay posted:

That and the many stories coming out about people in banned states having trouble getting treatment for ectopic pregnancies and other complications - it shows how bullshit the "health of the mother" exception is.

Tim Kaine and Lisa Murkowski (lol) just introduced a bill to do exactly that.
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/01/kaine-murkowski-sponsor-bipartisan-abortion-access-bill

Murkowski voted against the bill to codify abortion rights that the House passed a couple weeks ago.

What she's proposing now is what the article describes as "compromise legislation" that "attempts to find a middle ground" on abortion rights. Murkowski and Collins (who is also a co-sponsor on this bill) have pushed variations of this exact bill several times already over the past year or two, and it's gone nowhere because even the Senate Dems consider it way too watered-down and lacking key protections.

This bill is very unlikely to pass to get serious consideration from the Dem leadership. For one thing, the authors have already admitted that they don't have 10 GOP votes lined up for the legislation, and they haven't promised to overturn the filibuster for it either, so it has no chance of passing. For another, Dem leadership has zero interest in advancing an obviously-doomed "bipartisan" bill solely to provide political cover for the self-proclaimed "pro-abortion" Republicans who helped bring about the destruction of Roe and voted against the Dems' abortion rights legislation.

It's likely that they're only pushing it to maintain their claims of being pro-choice despite voting in anti-abortion justices and voting against abortion rights legislation. They defended their anti-abortion actions by claiming that the Dems' bills to protect abortion rights "went too far" and destroyed religious freedoms and conscience protections, and at the same time they proposed a bill basically identical to the one they're proposing now. It's their standard approach - block Dem legislation that would protect abortion, while pushing some weaksauce loophole-filled junk that would permit all the abortion-hostile practices that were in place before Roe was outright overturned.

As Physicians for Reproductive Health puts it:
https://twitter.com/prhdocs/status/1554198244481277952

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:47

Velocity Raptor: Jul 27, 2007; I MADE A PROMISE
I'LL DO ANYTHING

The Senate passed the PACT act yesterday with surprising approval (86-11). I honestly thought it was going to die there, because the GOP don't want to give Biden a win. Then I heard that Toomey was trying to get it amended so to change the funding from Manditory to discretionary (with the assumption being among analysts being that they would simply cut the discretionary funding when they had power again), so I figured it would end up being written in a way to be easily hindered.

But I am happily surprised to see that not only did it pass, but it passed intact. Toomey's amendment failed by one vote, but it's enough to keep the bill effective.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/senate-vote-burn-pits/index.html

quote:

The Senate voted Tuesday night to pass a long-sought bipartisan legislation to expand health care benefits for millions of veterans exposed to toxic burn pits during their military service, sending the bill to President Joe Biden to sign into law. The final vote was 86-11.

Passage of the bill marks the end of a lengthy fight to get the legislation through Congress, as veterans and their advocates had been demonstrating on Capitol Hill for days. Many veterans were allowed into the Senate gallery to watch the final vote on Tuesday evening.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced after reaching the deal with Republicans who had blocked the bill from advancing last week while they sought to add cost-controlling amendment votes to the package.

"I have some good news, the minority leader and I have come to an agreement to vote on the PACT Act this evening," Schumer said on the Senate floor. "I'm very optimistic that this bill will pass so our veterans across America can breathe a sigh of relief."

The bill, called the Honoring our PACT Act, was approved by the House of Representatives in July.

The bill widely expands health care resources and benefits to those exposed to burn pits and could provide coverage for up to 3.5 million toxic-exposed veterans. It adds conditions related to burn pit and toxic exposure, including hypertension, to the Department of Veterans Affair's list of illnesses that have been incurred or exacerbated during military service.

The legislation had been held up in the chamber since last week when more than two dozen Republicans, who previously supported the measure, temporarily blocked it from advancing.

Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican, rallied fellow Republicans to hold up the legislation in exchange for amendment votes, specifically an amendment that would change an accounting provision. Toomey had previously said he wanted an amendment vote with a 50-vote threshold.
Toomey discusses why he voted against bill to help vets exposed to toxic burn pits

Tuesday's final vote followed votes on three amendments with a 60-vote threshold. Toomey's amendment, which would have made a change to a budget component of the legislation, failed as expected, in a vote of 47-48.

Last week's surprise move by Republicans led to a swift backlash among veterans and veterans' groups, including protests on the US Capitol steps over the weekend and early this week. Comedian and political activist Jon Stewart -- a lead advocate for veterans on the issue -- took individual GOP senators to task for holding up a bill that had garnered wide bipartisan support in earlier votes.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell defended his party's handling of the legislation at a news conference on Tuesday.

"Look, these kind of back and forths happen all the time in the legislative process, you've observed that over the years," he said. "I think in the end, the veterans service organizations will be pleased with the final result."

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:54

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Fetterman's purchase of a Cameo from Jersey Shore's Snooki (where she did not realize she was sending it to Dr. Oz or making it for a political campaign) has caused Cameo to try and make it harder to trick celebrities and the FEC to consider whether a political campaign buying a celebrity cameo constitutes a "paid endorsement" for legal reasons.

https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/1554852148952944640

I wonder if that Snooki ploy is going to blow up a bit on Fetterman. I thought that Snooki was actually being cool.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 16:57

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Eric Cantonese posted:

I wonder if that Snooki ploy is going to blow up a bit on Fetterman. I thought that Snooki was actually being cool.

I don't think it will blow up on him in any way. He's not in any legal trouble or anything for it. There is just a law requiring disclosures of paid endorsements by campaigns and the FEC has never looked at cameo before. They are now just looking into whether buying a cameo counts as a paid endorsement. I'm sure Fetterman will disclose it in his campaign finance quarterlies. The worst thing the FEC can possibly do is make the disclosure mandatory.

Snooki did not know, but she also has not complained or said anything about it.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 17:02

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Alex Jones is attempting a novel legal strategy of unironically trying to use the "No, no. It's not "Die, Bart, Die" it means "The, Bart, The" in German!" Simpsons joke in real life.

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554855896899092485

Edit: Things are going worse for him than you would expect in a comedy written about the situation.

https://twitter.com/ASFleischman/status/1554863615320227846

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554864067508060160

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Aug 3, 2022

# ? Aug 3, 2022 17:19

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

Crows Turn Off posted:

Why do people think getting Republicans "on the record" has any effect?

It could have a really powerful effect but decorum prevents that from happening. Like if the DNC wanted having them "on the record" to matter then right after it happens for this as an example there should be immediate attack ads like "[specific senator name]'s vote says YOUR DAUGHTER doesn't deserve the same rights as other humans and she only exists to pump out babies 24/7!" Instead of the "well __ republicans voted against this so vote for us instead..." It needs to be made personal.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 17:25

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Alex Jones is attempting a novel legal strategy of unironically trying to use the "No, no. It's not "Die, Bart, Die" it means "The, Bart, The" in German!" Simpsons joke in real life.

It's mostly interesting to see if a rich person can actually manage to piss off a judge enough to do something meaningful about it.

Jones is so nakedly treating the court with open contempt and bragging about how he's going to defraud the victims. Will a judge actually overcome all the odds and successfully dispense justice against the most untouchable of foes, a rich white dude.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 17:34

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554864067508060160

Lmao.

His lawyers must have had a big bowl of chili that day

# ? Aug 3, 2022 17:45

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Two of the longest-serving Democratic House reps, Jerrold Nadler and Carolyn Maloney, are running against each other since New York's redistricting process ended in the maximum chaos option. They just had a debate, in which the most interesting thing that happened was that both were willing to publicly take a dim view of Biden's 2024 prospects.

quote:

About halfway in, co-moderator Errol Louis asked the three candidates a direct question: �Should President Biden run again in 2024?�

[New challenger] Patel, who worked on President Barack Obama�s advance team and is pushing himself as a candidate with fresh ideas, answered first with an unequivocal �yes.� But pointedly, neither Nadler nor Maloney were willing to follow suit.

�It�s too early to say,� Nadler said. �It doesn't serve the purposes of the Democratic Party to deal with that until after the midterms.�

Maloney was more direct: �I don�t believe he�s running for re-election.�

https://gothamist.com/news/reps-maloney-nadler-wont-back-biden-2024-in-lively-ny12-debate-with-challenger-patel

# ? Aug 3, 2022 17:58

nine-gear crow: Aug 10, 2013

haveblue posted:

Two of the longest-serving Democratic House reps, Jerrold Nadler and Carolyn Maloney, are running against each other since New York's redistricting process ended in the maximum chaos option. They just had a debate, in which the most interesting thing that happened was that both were willing to publicly take a dim view of Biden's 2024 prospects.

https://gothamist.com/news/reps-maloney-nadler-wont-back-biden-2024-in-lively-ny12-debate-with-challenger-patel

Nadler is about as Democratic party top brass as you can get these days, so if he's like "Eeeh, I don't know if he's gonna run or not," then Joe Biden is probably not (going to be allowed by the DNC) to run for president in 2024.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:04

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

The world of TV and movies has led me to believe it's much easier to get held in contempt of court than it appears to be in the Alex Jones trial.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:21

Cactrot: Jan 11, 2001; Go Go Cactus Galactus

The video is even better, the plaintiff's counsel does a little villain laugh at a bewildered Jones.

https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1554876349680173057

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:23

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Jaxyon posted:

The world of TV and movies has led me to believe it's much easier to get held in contempt of court than it appears to be in the Alex Jones trial.

Jones has already been held in contempt twice and fined $75,000 during the pre-trial phase for FTA and discovery violations, lol.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:23

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Cactrot posted:

The video is even better, the plaintiff's counsel does a little villain laugh at a bewildered Jones.

https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1554876349680173057

Speaking as a red faced white man, get AJ some green concealer

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Jones has already been held in contempt twice and fined $75,000 during the pre-trial phase for FTA and discovery violations, lol.

IANAL so my brain just imagines Joe Pesci getting slammed into jail for wearing a funny suit

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:27

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Jaxyon posted:

The world of TV and movies has led me to believe it's much easier to get held in contempt of court than it appears to be in the Alex Jones trial.

There's a cops-esque show in Rhode Island called Caught in Providence that just airs municipal court proceedings for DUI's, Johns, and whatnot and it's pretty easy as long as you're poor.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Jones has already been held in contempt twice and fined $75,000 during the pre-trial phase for FTA and discovery violations, lol.

Yeah, but considering how much money he has that doesn't really amount to much. In may alone, some dude gave Alex Jones $8m. Pretty sure Jaxyon means the more colloquial "enjoy a few days in jail" contempt.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:31

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I don't think it will blow up on him in any way. He's not in any legal trouble or anything for it. There is just a law requiring disclosures of paid endorsements by campaigns and the FEC has never looked at cameo before. They are now just looking into whether buying a cameo counts as a paid endorsement. I'm sure Fetterman will disclose it in his campaign finance quarterlies. The worst thing the FEC can possibly do is make the disclosure mandatory.

Snooki did not know, but she also has not complained or said anything about it.

Funny how there wasn�t a peep from the FEC when a Republican got Blagovich to do a similar recording.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:31

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Kalli posted:

There's a cops-esque show in Rhode Island called Caught in Providence that just airs municipal court proceedings for DUI's, Johns, and whatnot and it's pretty easy as long as you're poor.

Yeah, but considering how much money he has that doesn't really amount to much. In may alone, some dude gave Alex Jones $8m. Pretty sure Jaxyon means the more colloquial "enjoy a few days in jail" contempt.

Yeah pretty much. The impression I'm getting is that Jones gets into these "kooky courtroom shenanigans" where the judge gives him stern looks, but lets it happen, because he's a rich white man and not a poor black kid in cuffs.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:33

Dietrich: Sep 11, 2001

Oracle posted:

Funny how there wasn�t a peep from the FEC when a Republican got Blagovich to do a similar recording.

The FEC doesn't give a poo poo about things happening on county board races. They barely give a poo poo about federal races.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:41

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Jaxyon posted:

The world of TV and movies has led me to believe it's much easier to get held in contempt of court than it appears to be in the Alex Jones trial.

depends on the paper bag test and money.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:47

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Jaxyon posted:

Yeah pretty much. The impression I'm getting is that Jones gets into these "kooky courtroom shenanigans" where the judge gives him stern looks, but lets it happen, because he's a rich white man and not a poor black kid in cuffs.

It's also a civil trial and they generally don't slam you in prison for process violations during a non-criminal trial.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:51

LorneReams: Jun 27, 2003; I'm bizarre

Perjury is still perjury, otherwise what's the point of being under oath.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:54

Twibbit: Mar 7, 2013; Is your refrigerator running?

This is why when picking your attorney, you don't simply go with the lowest bidder

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:57

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LorneReams posted:

Perjury is still perjury, otherwise what's the point of being under oath.

He hasn't actually been hit with a perjury accusation until the trial started. You can't perjure yourself before you testify. He might get contempt from the judge again for it.

Civil perjury is also almost never actually prosecuted. Otherwise, every divorce or contract dispute would end up with someone in prison.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:58

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

The judge wants to keep to the schedule and get the trial over and done with now. Any new sanctions against Jones and his lawyers will be discussed after the trial itself is done.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 18:58

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Twibbit posted:

This is why when picking your attorney, you don't simply go with the lowest bidder

It's more that while true believers can pass a bar exam, woo boy when they actually get in court

Anyway, here's one of Alex's previous lawyers on today's news:

https://twitter.com/barnes_law/status/1554658314805559296

This guy is one of his lawyers from the original Sandy Hook case, who Alex Jones at least threatened to sue for incompetence btw.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:04

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's also a civil trial and they generally don't slam you in prison for process violations during a non-criminal trial.

That alone is a privilege. Profiting off a massive lie that endangered the lives of traumatized parents is a civil trial.

Steal a pack of cigarretes? You're going to jail.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:05

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Alex Jones is attempting a novel legal strategy of unironically trying to use the "No, no. It's not "Die, Bart, Die" it means "The, Bart, The" in German!" Simpsons joke in real life.

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554855896899092485

Edit: Things are going worse for him than you would expect in a comedy written about the situation.

https://twitter.com/ASFleischman/status/1554863615320227846

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554864067508060160

I would kill a man to have access to that in full

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:13

-Blackadder-: Jan 2, 2007; Game....Blouses.

Manchin bringing the heat, asking Republicans the one question they never want to be asked.

A hit dog will holler.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1554499139127361536
Longer interview here

Biden really should have saved himself some trouble and paid Manchin off earlier.

-Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Aug 3, 2022

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:14

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Herstory Begins Now posted:

I would kill a man to have access to that in full

Stay your blade.

The trial is being broadcast live. You can watch it right now and I'm sure the entire VOD will be available later.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:15

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

Herstory Begins Now posted:

I would kill a man to have access to that in full

I'd skip right to the Jan 5th/6th ones.

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:17

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# ? May 26, 2024 10:57

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Stay your blade.

The trial is being broadcast live. You can watch it right now and I'm sure the entire VOD will be available later.

nah i mean the contents of jones' phone and communications from the last two years

Oracle posted:

I'd skip right to the Jan 5th/6th ones.

you get me

granted those almost definitely start back in early november, but yeah

# ? Aug 3, 2022 19:17

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