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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Archbish of Canterbury sticking his oar in. The CofE has been much more welcoming in the last couple of decades. Now he turns it back. Welby's a git. His predecessor was not. In fact, there was this moment where as we segued from Richard Holloway in Scotland to Rowan Williams in England where it looked briefly like the Church in the UK was broadly going to Do The Right Things, leaving the splinter groups behind to languish in sour mediocrity. Then it didn't happen. Ironically it was typically not the clergy who really got in the way of progressive change, it was the loving laity who wanted to make drat sure they could use their Sunday sojourns to legitimise their own bigotry. Usual stuff, eh.
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Dabir posted:Sounds like she's tragically misunderstood a tragic misunderstanding of the Van Halen Belt. for some people, it can be hard to make that jump! Rustybear posted:also record inequality has been baked in for like 10+ years, why the sudden tipping point now? the rise in inequality was large but steady over time, then brexit then covid then ukraine, the supply chain bullshit and a dozen other events were bad enough but a lot of people who were scraping by with just a little extra left over each month are now firmly in the "oh gently caress, despite cutting back on stuff and working more we are still in the red this month" club because the energy bills are triple or more what they were last year Flayer posted:Marxist revolution when? We are slow walking into complete disaster. 2023 is going to be a volatile year if people have nothing left to lose. If not beforehand then spring/summer next year has a strong possibility of getting distinctly spicy after people have a poo poo xmas, poo poo continues to pile up and the weather is more clement to be out and about
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OwlFancier posted:Could easily progress to antisemitism obviously if you start feeling the need for an explanation for why everyone you actually see is apparently a secret remainer, but I think it can be largely stable purely out of a lack of willingness to concede that you've been duped. Like I can easily imagine both an old BNP Nazi and an old CPGB tankie going on about the need to withdraw from the EU and achieve national autarky and self-sufficiency and put the people before capital, with the big difference being how much racism there was in the definition of 'the people'. Or maybe not in the case of some tankies. But they'd both be making an anti-globalist argument. But to say it's the globalists who are to blame that we haven't gone full WTO brakes off business liberal is garbled nonsense.
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Oh yeah absolutely it doesn't make any sense if you know what those words actually mean, but I dunno, maybe I'm getting dangerous levels of mythos skill and I'm going to make my idea check and go crack ping and start writing for spiked online, but I can parse some sense from it. "Globalism" is the bad, actual reality of capitalism that treats you and everything you love, even the flag you want to gently caress so badly, like poo poo. "Business" is the good, imagined form of capitalism that you hear about in what are basically fairy tales. But these idiots lack the words to actually describe the thing they're thinking of because all the actual words that describe that make you sound like a lefty, so they use the wrong words in ways they have vaguely accreted from news and old political topics that they're still clinging on to because they liked the sound of them, because they gave voice to the dissatisfaction they feel with the reality of the world without asking them to associate themselves with anything that would actually challenge their core beliefs or suggest that they had previously been wrong. Vote for the conservatives again so we can declare war on what happened under the last ten years of conservative governance, which was all woke. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 4, 2022 |
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Aug 4, 2022 16:56
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Josef bugman posted:No as in how are you supposed to do a PGCE. It seems like a nightmare that you have to work full time in a school and only get paid about 9000 per year maintenance grant. I think people either do it quite young straight out of university (or potentially just a teaching degree) or once they have savings/a spouse that can support them. If you're the primary breadwinner and don't have enough of a safety net that taking a hit for a year or two isn't an option it's gonna either suck or be impossible. Gee, I wonder why we can't get many teachers! (don't get me started on why so many leave the profession within 5 years)
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It's like how in the 90s 'Clinton globalist' had an actual meaning, the WTO was heavily backed by Bill and Hillary and came with the idea that tariff-free world trade was both good and inevitable and would lead to us all owning a dotcom while living in an apartment like the friends from Friends and bikini ladies would walk around the Middle East and McDonalds would scratch the same itch in Moscow that Marxism-Leninism did. Then all that got shown up as a load of poo poo and now 'Clinton globalist' apparently means people that eat babies and grow babies from stem cells so they can abort them and eat them.
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Globalist is one of those words that took on a darker meaning in American politics as time went on, and while not necessarily consciously from the average vox popper, if you pay attention to the influential political right who rage against globalists you'll pretty soon see they're accusing the Zionist One-World Government or some other shadowy cabal of Jewish people being the masterminds. Does mean you have to react to someone complaining about globalism by wasting hopefully only a few brainwaves on whether they're proponents of the alter-globalisation movement which seeks social and economic justice in global affairs or if that tattoo poking out from their sleeve is a Hakenkreuz.
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I guess my contention is that I think there is a semi-stable midpoint that a significant number of people occupy where "globalism" means bad capitalism, I want the good capitalism instead please.
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Capitalism means double-plus-good, something that is double-plus-ungood can't be capitalism, and must be communism or globalism. By definition. Meaning is unnecessary.
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Rustybear posted:ok but for that to be true for the 'why now' I'd expect to see: Why would you expect to see a big spike and a big trough? Inflation has gone up from around 2.5% to around 10% so a 3-4% increase in the rate of new money creation combined with a 3-4% decrease in productivity is enough to cause that and it's not something that's easy to eyeball on a graph. Central Banks in neoliberal countries only have two mechanisms for addressing unwanted economic effects: printing money to give to large corporations and changing interest rates. The productivity shortfall would be affecting the valuations of these big companies and could lead to a market crash, so they're using various obfuscated means to print money directly into the hands of these companies. The current labour shortage (or, to name it correctly, the current labour rights shortage) has lowered productive output by a few percentage points and the rate of money printing had gone up by a few percentage points. The problem is that it's politically unacceptable to force companies to use that money to offer the improved salaries and working conditions that will fix the productivity decline. Instead they're using it to buy back their own shares and continue gambling using increasingly complex financial instruments, both of which will prop up their share prices until the money tap is turned off which it can't be because then these too big to fail companies would fail. So instead of inflation being a short corrective shock to quickly realign prices with the new money supply (a shock that still fucks over the poorest, naturally) we end up locking in high inflation by using inflationary measures to stave off a crash. This just means that when the crash comes, it will be worse.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Archbish of Canterbury sticking his oar in. The CofE has been much more welcoming in the last couple of decades. Now he turns it back. I think it's not because they wanted to accept lbgt believers, it's because they are terrified of seeming bigoted. So now that there's some proper moral panic about lgbt (granted mainly the t) going on again they can take the mask off. I am not a huge fan of organised religion.
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I think they also want to seem relevant to some of the churches of the Anglican Communion in West Africa and rather than address issues of injustice in an intersectional way are going for the same set as who got their brains broken by American Evangelical missionaries going over and blaming everything on the gay agenda, because that's easier than doing actual outreach while fighting reignited colonial-era homophobia that they themselves were responsible for. That the UK tolerates this is another facet of the problem.
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The other important thing to note is that they're pretty much a spent force socially in England Especially among the young  So as an increasing irrelevance their main options are to appeal to their remaining crazy boomer base with bigotry and apocalypticism or to seek out new younger growing religious audiences elsewhere. And even though they might be socially a spent force they are not so politically (only country other than Iran with cleric-legislators etc etc) and still get government support, so this is just them using that power to do a bit of both of the above.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Reminds me of when former Irish Taoiseach Bertie Ahern, shameless financial criminal, said that he didn't know why people complaining about the economy didn't commit suicide. That was 2007 btw. Good times. did i hear that gobshite is trying to be president down there
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the idea of having darty barty as head of state might be enough to warm me to monarchy after all
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Josef bugman posted:No as in how are you supposed to do a PGCE. It seems like a nightmare that you have to work full time in a school and only get paid about 9000 per year maintenance grant. Also depends on the subject. https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ar-2022-to-2023 Government Website posted:For 2022 to 2023, we are offering bursaries of: When I trained as a Computing teacher a few years ago, I got a 28k tax-free bursary (26k & 2k extra as a scholarship).
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Typical woke mob discriminating against biological teachers.
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crispix posted:did i hear that gobshite is trying to be president down there Yeah it's being floated by a few FF fartcatchers, but not a fucken chance he'd get voted in
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Tarnop posted:Why would you expect to see a big spike and a big trough? Inflation has gone up from around 2.5% to around 10% so a 3-4% increase in the rate of new money creation combined with a 3-4% decrease in productivity is enough to cause that and it's not something that's easy to eyeball on a graph. Isn't a lot of inflation at the moment due to supply shortages though? The blockade of Ukranian grain, Russian gas, rolling COVID lockdowns in China and probably a de-facto naval blockade of Taiwan next? You can cut inflation by stopping wage growth to suppress demand or hiking interest rates to encourage saving instead of consumption, or stoke inflation by cutting taxes, but all these are loving about over a few percent. In the face of such huge forces beyond the control of the state, its only choice is who to protect with what money we can gather. The moral answer is to raise tax to move surplus income from the rich and give it to people who are struggling to even meet the cost of survival, so it's likely that we'll cut tax.
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Isn't cutting taxes exactly what ever Tory leadership candidate promised in their campaign?
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Guavanaut posted:Especially among the young Is this why they're making the most of the children they have got?
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Mr Phillby posted:Its also funny how we have massive inflation despite decades of record beating wage stagnation  Ages ago I had a discussion with my brother where he was explaining to me how people didn't want to vote for Corbyn because he would have made interest rates go up and people would have been afraid of losing their houses and savings, and boy howdy do I think about that conversation a lot. (He also kept saying that nobody could tell him what was so bad about Starmer despite me saying several times about breaking all 10 of his pledges, sacking RLB, having no policies and also at the time clearly having been blackmailed by the security services after hitting that cyclist). piano chimp posted:Yeah, I'm pretty sure direct radiation from the sun/space in general will kill you pretty quick vs the slow death handling lots of lead will cause.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
A MOVIE franchise.  the comics are doing fine
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https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1555237367660924928?s=21&t=KTXHs6xkuiWSIJv-MFkF4w Lmao, particularly funny because their ‘voting intention’ poll from the same day outs Labour 8 points ahead, suggesting people do want Labour in government rather than the Tories, but that’s despite Starmer rather than because of him.
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Its nothing. the actual article posted:However, Ms Stone noted that the “breaches were minor and/or inadvertent, and that there was no deliberate attempt to mislead”.
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Why are politicians so completely unlike the people they represent? Book advances, shares, sales of land, normal people don’t get any of that poo poo, we just have jobs and try to earn money by working, why do they all feel they should have so many income streams when they get paid so much as basic salary?
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Eat poo poo Ken, can't wait for the interviews of him saying "Actually I said I'd resign if I was found to have breeched the code over the Durham event," and then watch LAB plummet another 20 points. Answers Me posted:Does anyone have a good primer (and critique) on the so-called ‘wage-price spiral’ that Tories love to cite when people suggest that wages need to rise with inflation? Economic theory isn’t exactly my strong point and it’s making my head spin trying to understand it. https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1555135575702867968?t=h4ceFKKp_NPp9fwwrH0Kzw&s=19 Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 4, 2022 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Its nothing. The point is never the article. The point is the headline. Mr Rules got caught on his own rake.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Eat poo poo Ken, can't wait for the interviews of him saying "Actually I said I'd resign if I was found to have breeched the code over the Durham event," and then watch LAB plummet another 20 points. The thing about Internet rate rises is that two very different groups get affected by them - consumers and businesses. That analysis is reasonable for consumers. But there's also the effect on businesses to consider. Low interest rates means that businesses pile on debt - living with more on your credit card than your salary is standard business practice for big business, and part of how big businesses get an advantage over small ones - they get cheaper rates on loans because of scale. Rising interest rates are bad for big business, and make their lives harder - which is probably a good thing. Higher interest rates also make it harder for the rich to leverage physical assets they have - remortgage, buy shares on margin, run BtL empires. Higher interest rates makes all these more expensive, as you've got to make more profit than central interest for it to be worth lending for these things as a capitalist.
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The whole problem is that there is an entire class who are so rich, and making so much money passively off the sheer volume of hoarded wealth they have, that money is effectively a non-scarce resource to them. I'm not talking about your Lord Sugars who consider themselves to have worked hard, or portfolio grindset guys, i'm talking about the failson class who has an inheritance, an accountant to manage it via a portfolio, and aside from that, can effectively do and buy whatever they want. Even then, the portfolio guys and yacht club guys are going to whine about how things are a bit tougher and they're not making as much profit, but they're still going to keep doing it.
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Scientastic posted:Why are politicians so completely unlike the people they represent? Book advances, shares, sales of land, normal people don’t get any of that poo poo, we just have jobs and try to earn money by working, why do they all feel they should have so many income streams when they get paid so much as basic salary? Actually you'll find that vast numbers of ordinary people have these side-hustles... it's just they tend to be things like delivering Chinese takeaways in the evenings after working all day. It's a truly British wonder like our world-leading food bank network. Though it's going to be interesting when those run out of provisions...
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Endjinneer posted:Isn't a lot of inflation at the moment due to supply shortages though? The blockade of Ukranian grain, Russian gas, rolling COVID lockdowns in China and probably a de-facto naval blockade of Taiwan next? Yes, that's the productivity side of things. Productivity encapsulates any reason for the pie getting smaller, or just staying the same size, including an inability to source inputs. As far as lowering wages to cut demand goes, the trouble with that is our economy has been adapting to increasing levels of inequality for decades now. There was an article posted in the Doomsday Economics thread that estimated the US economy could avoid recession based on only the top 40% continuing to spend at the same rate; that gives you a flavour of both how little modern economies need anything above subsistence spending from the poor, and how politically hosed the notion of demand destruction is. If you're making monetary policy that squeezes even the tail end of the top 40%, well that's a lot of Tory voters you're going to piss off. Tarnop fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 5, 2022 |
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Personally I am having a great time watching my bank account actually have interest for once. It's not very much interest but it reminds me of being a kid. Frankly the BoE can raise interest to 100% and that would be great for me, free money.
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Marmaduke! posted:Actually you'll find that vast numbers of ordinary people have these side-hustles... it's just they tend to be things like delivering Chinese takeaways in the evenings after working all day. It's a truly British wonder like our world-leading food bank network. Though it's going to be interesting when those run out of provisions... The difference is that second jobs are a means of supplementing a small salary to ensure you can actually live. MPs get a good salary, I genuinely don’t get how they think it’s acceptable to do other stuff as well. It ALWAYS creates conflicts of interest, when I was a post-doc, there was a painfully strict “no moonlighting” clause in my contract, we should do the same for MPs
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quote:it’s like shoplifting your entire big weekly supermarket shop because their suppliers are price gouging on potatoes
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