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Didn’t Nichols ad-lib that? It definitely feels like something a 1966 writer wouldn’t ever come up with.
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Aug 1, 2022 22:02
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The_Doctor posted:Didn’t Nichols ad-lib that? It definitely feels like something a 1966 writer wouldn’t ever come up with. I'm guessing a LOT of that scene might have been ad libbed, including Spock's "Take D'Artagnan here to sickbay." That sounds like Nimoy just threw in after a couple of takes that didn't quite land right.
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Aug 1, 2022 22:10
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Night10194 posted:I love that Thomas Riker is just left in a prison camp forever, after promising they'll rescue him. I've just started watching Lower Decks and I think I have a crush on Mariner.
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Aug 2, 2022 02:18
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it would be great if Boimler met Thomas Riker, there would be so much he assumes they have in common.
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Aug 2, 2022 02:27
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Gnome de plume posted:it would be great if Boimler met Thomas Riker, there would be so much he assumes they have in common. Would be equally hilarious of Thomas Riker also took a shine to Boimler, specifically because he sees something he can relate to in the weird shunned transporter clone-screwed abomination of existence.
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Aug 2, 2022 02:38
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Also, is it wrong for me to hope that Tendi turns temporarily evil for an episode just to hear Noël Wells channel some Lord Dominator energy again.
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Aug 2, 2022 05:38
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Everyone posted:Also, is it wrong for me to hope that Tendi turns temporarily evil for an episode just to hear Noël Wells channel some Lord Dominator energy again. Putting her and Jack McBrayer on the opposite ends of the "ruthless psychopath trying to murder the all-loving cinnamon bun" dynamic from Wander Over Yonder in Season 1 was a nice twist though.
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Aug 2, 2022 05:47
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Greatest Discovery's episode today starts with a pretty good interview with Anson Mount, in case anybody in here bounced off of Greatest Gen/Discovery because they're established podcasts with suites of in-jokes.
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Aug 2, 2022 18:09
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CPColin posted:Greatest Discovery's episode today starts with a pretty good interview with Anson Mount, in case anybody in here bounced off of Greatest Gen/Discovery because they're established podcasts with suites of in-jokes. I recently started listening to their TNG stuff from the beginning and now I'm finally understanding all the in-jokes they've had for years that I guess I found a bit funny over time but didn't always get how they made them up. I could listen to them do their Kurn impression for hours though.
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Aug 2, 2022 18:26
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nine-gear crow posted:Putting her and Jack McBrayer on the opposite ends of the "ruthless psychopath trying to murder the all-loving cinnamon bun" dynamic from Wander Over Yonder in Season 1 was a nice twist though. Wells as Tendi really is adorable so it works well. Also, McBrayer gives great cute/psycho energy.
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Aug 2, 2022 20:16
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Thom12255 posted:I recently started listening to their TNG stuff from the beginning and now I'm finally understanding all the in-jokes they've had for years that I guess I found a bit funny over time but didn't always get how they made them up. So could Kurn, because every time he hears it, it's just like the first time!
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Aug 3, 2022 00:38
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there should be a Gorn baseball team on Cestus III that plays in the league there against the Pike City Pioneers
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Aug 3, 2022 02:44
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So, I've watched all but the second season finale, "First, First Contact." Thus far my favorite has been "wej Duj." Especially T'Lyn who comes off as Vulcan Mariner but without the high-ranking parents safety net. I also appreciated the Vulcan captain "punishing" her by sending her to a place where she's more likely to thrive.
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Aug 4, 2022 02:00
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Everyone posted:So, I've watched all but the second season finale, "First, First Contact." Thus far my favorite has been "wej Duj." Especially T'Lyn who comes off as Vulcan Mariner but without the high-ranking parents safety net. I also appreciated the Vulcan captain "punishing" her by sending her to a place where she's more likely to thrive. I got the impression that the captain was her dad.
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Aug 4, 2022 02:04
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A.o.D. posted:I got the impression that the captain was her dad. I guess it's possible but I didn't see any proof one way or the other. T'Lyn struck me as a prodigy who'd perhaps been given some extra leeway for being a prodigy. She put together programs to improve both the long range sensors and the shields. On a Vulcan ship which probably wouldn't have obvious room for improvement.
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Aug 4, 2022 03:10
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I'm so confused about the choices this apparently loving father is making in episode 8 of strange new worlds
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Aug 5, 2022 03:51
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Tom Tucker posted:I'm so confused about the choices this apparently loving father is making in episode 8 of strange new worlds Lifelong cultural indoctrination is a hell of a drug
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Aug 5, 2022 04:47
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If I liked strange new worlds should I watch discovery? I understand the show is technically a spin-off
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Aug 5, 2022 07:29
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Noob Saibot posted:If I liked strange new worlds should I watch discovery? I understand the show is technically a spin-off No.
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Aug 5, 2022 07:58
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Noob Saibot posted:If I liked strange new worlds should I watch discovery? I understand the show is technically a spin-off Okay, Pike shows up at the end of Season 1 to take command of Discovery on a special assignment because "Captain of the USS Discovery" is a position akin to being the drummer from Spinal Tap, they all keep dying or getting erased from the fabric of space time or some poo poo. While trying to solve whatever universe-ending melodrama Discovery has wrapped itself up in this week in Season 2, Pike catches a glimpse of his hosed up future beepy chair self and sees the accident that puts him in the beepy chair, this is why he knows he's bound of death* and when and why it happens and is wrestling with that all throughout SNW Season 1. Spock shows at the end of the season, says "I like science" like a drooling goofus, and then Discovery flies off into the 32nd century to seal the Plot Hole that they cracked open fighting God or some poo poo, I dunno, I don't watch this stupid show, and Spock, Pike and Number One watch it leave from the bridge of the Enterprise and literally go "Let's never speak of this again." Then Strange New Worlds happens. You are all caught up and don't need to watch Star Trek: Discovery now.
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Aug 5, 2022 08:44
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The Federation-Klingon war storyline alogn with the L'Rell coup and those time monks were also interesting, but watching that does require high tolerance for the disco-redesign of klingons into BDSM bats. If you must watch, watch seasons 1 and 2. And you are better off thinking that anything S3 onwards didn't happen, USS Discovery was lost when it jumped to 32nd century. It is so far out it really doesn't directly connect with anything else, and it makes everything else prequel where we know the outcome of the Federation and anything anyone ever did towards it, so its also a kinda bummer. I still hope they'll rewrite it as an alternative timeline, or make it a stable time loop which undoes itself.
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Aug 5, 2022 09:17
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Noob Saibot posted:If I liked strange new worlds should I watch discovery? I understand the show is technically a spin-off On top of what others have said, I loved SNW so much I gave Discovery another go after abandoning it quickly in its first season. Season 1 is very rough, mostly carried by a couple of neat ideas and Jason Isaacs chewing the scenery. Season 2 is better, but only really because Anson Mount's Pike is just wonderful and the best space dad a bunch of science nerds could ask for. Season 3 is really, really, really bad. Since I invested the time, I figured I would finish season 4 at least. I dug the initial season-long concept they built up - a giant rear end anomaly in space tearing everything in its path into pieces and being beyond their comprehension - but as the season has progressed it's getting shakier and really not holding up as well as I'd hoped, though maybe they'll stick the landing. So long story short, if you find you're not enjoying the non-SNW characters in Discovery, there isn't much more to attract you after season 2.
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Aug 5, 2022 09:54
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Noob Saibot posted:If I liked strange new worlds should I watch discovery? I understand the show is technically a spin-off My opinion on this is mixed. On one hand, I'm worried that the novelty of "the first nu-trek TV" gave Disco a sheen that has faded since SNW is (imo) vastly superior and fills the "new trek content" niche that I think I was thirsty for. On the other hand, I definitely remember watching S1 and while I hated some aspects like the Klingon designs etc, I did really enjoy it for a while. I think I would say that everyone should give at least S1 a chance, maybe early S1 to see if you like the general "vibe" of the show, then S2 I remember being fun because of Pike. So yeah, I dunno. I think it's worth checking out a few episodes and if you gel with the writing and characters you're probably fine. For me it really really went off the rails in S2 into S3 though, enough that I don't think I bothered with the latter part of S3 (or maybe I did and just don't remember) and didn't even pretend to care about S4. Maybe my takeaway recommendation should be: Watch two or three episodes of S1. If you don't like the show or it isn't compelling you, I think you can just bow out. If by three episodes you're intrigued enough to see where it's going but not hooked, stick around. There are some good episodes through the early run but nothing I'd consider culturally significant or jaw dropping.
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Aug 5, 2022 11:48
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Tom Tucker posted:I'm so confused about the choices this apparently loving father is making in episode 8 of strange new worlds I was mainly surprised they ended that plot thread so quickly. Saving her a couple seasons later and then leaving to raise her would neatly explain why McCoy is CMO on TOS and M'Benga is an assistant. One thing I think they are neglecting though is not having other doctors. You got the impression on TOS McCoy was in charge of a big team of doctors and nurses and medics. On SNW they have a giant sickbay and it's only M'Benga and Chapel for drama's sake.
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Aug 5, 2022 12:18
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I think someone called out the most plausible theory to me, whether it was attributed to any actual writer quote or not I can't remember this second: Having her in the transporter meant that they couldn't really put the Enterprise into any "serious" danger without roundabout ending that plot anyway. They kind of wrote themselves into a corner, which I didn't really consider until someone mentioned it. Though I guess the implications of what it would do to M'benga if that had happened are also... interesting, I guess, but I'm really tired of crushingly depressing and/or tragic TV so I'm frankly 100% fine with them putting a happy bow-tie on the whole thing. Even if it seems contrived and unbelievable. I'll suspend my disbelief.
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Aug 5, 2022 12:24
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Astroman posted:One thing I think they are neglecting though is not having other doctors. You got the impression on TOS McCoy was in charge of a big team of doctors and nurses and medics. On SNW they have a giant sickbay and it's only M'Benga and Chapel for drama's sake.. I think it's part of a more general thing , TOS Enterprise seems a lot more crowded than SNW Enterprise. And I think there's two reasons for that. First, TOS had a lot more extras as crewmen in hallway shots and things like that. Second, in away team missions or the actual plot as it plays out, in addition to the main crew, there usually were other people, either unnamed (random security guards or scientists or whatever), or people who ended up playing a role in the plot of the episode, like, I don't know, in Space Seed, the ship's historian who Khan seduces and who then joins him. So you get the idea that this ship is not just the people whose names are in the credits every week. It's a whole bunch of people staffing the ship, and that doesn't happen as much on SNW.
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Aug 5, 2022 14:41
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Noob Saibot posted:If I liked strange new worlds should I watch discovery? I understand the show is technically a spin-off Just watch it so you can join in complaining!
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Aug 5, 2022 14:49
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TOS started out with the ship feeling really lively. There’s lots of random people around doing jobs and you even get these odd little incidental human-interest scenes like Uhura singing in the mess hall or whatever. That was one of the things they really cut back on as the network started to squeeze the show, the second and especially third seasons have noticeably emptier ship at times. SNW being filmed in the pandemic probably has a lot to do with why it feels like that.
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Pandemic definitely factored in and I think in-universe there was just less people n the ship in Pike's era
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Aug 5, 2022 16:46
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some kinda jackal posted:On the other hand, I definitely remember watching S1 and while I hated some aspects like the Klingon designs etc, I did really enjoy it for a while. I think I would say that everyone should give at least S1 a chance, maybe early S1 to see if you like the general "vibe" of the show, then S2 I remember being fun because of Pike. I got draw into Discovery by Tig Notaro as Jett Reno, hitting episodes here and there with her in them. I'll probably eventually go back and do a watch from Season 1. I do appreciate that Lower Decks keeps the "Worf-style" Klingons. August 25 can't come soon enough. I need me some Lower Decks.
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Aug 5, 2022 16:56
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Watch SNW with an eye towards 'are there more than two people standing in a group at any given time' and it gets pretty obvious they were working around some constraints. But if they don't bring back the karate-gi crewmen, I'll be pissed.
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Aug 5, 2022 16:56
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TheCenturion posted:Watch SNW with an eye towards 'are there more than two people standing in a group at any given time' and it gets pretty obvious they were working around some constraints. That reminds me of the Lower Decks episode where a bunch of the crew got called to Red Alert in their recreational outfits because a space battle won't wait for you to change clothes.
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Aug 5, 2022 17:00
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TheCenturion posted:Watch SNW with an eye towards 'are there more than two people standing in a group at any given time' and it gets pretty obvious they were working around some constraints. this happens a bunch in Disco S4 too, you can very obviously tell when group scenes were composited together out of pairs and when they just had a 6' x 6' grid of tape markings on the floor
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Aug 5, 2022 17:11
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The Chairman posted:this happens a bunch in Disco S4 too, you can very obviously tell when group scenes were composited together out of pairs and when they just had a 6' x 6' grid of tape markings on the floor
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Aug 5, 2022 17:44
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Aug 5, 2022 17:44
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FlamingLiberal posted:Picard S2 was really, really terrible on this front Yeah, that's the other thing to look for: is the party being constantly split into groups of two?
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Aug 5, 2022 17:48
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FlamingLiberal posted:Picard S2 was really, really terrible
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FlamingLiberal posted:Picard was really, really terrible
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feedmyleg posted:...I'm waiting? Spoilers for a 60 year old story but *Pike gets a happy...ish ending to that story.
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