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all of his bodily functions are being maintained by machines :/
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i can tell you from experience it's bad enough travelling using even a single crutch
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Aug 5, 2022 19:02
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crispix posted:do any medical goons know if it would be at all practical to move someone in archie battersbee's condition to a hospice and what difference if any there would be in his life ending there rather than in a hospital? https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-latest-in-the-archie-battersbee-case/ "If it is possible to transfer Archie to a hospice, this should certainly be arranged – however, based on the specialist reports about Archie’s physical condition in the court hearings, and a statement from the hospital, this will not be possible. Put simply, the risk is that Archie would die in the back of an ambulance on the way to the hospice. He has been able to be kept stable over this long period of time only through constant careful attention of intensive care staff. His condition is fragile. If he were to die while being transferred, that would be a potentially stressful," From what I read they need to do stuff to him every hour, like wet his eyeballs to keep them going.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:10
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Every hospital should have somewhere where you can say goodbye in as dignified a way as possible, but the way they've gone straight from 'brainstem can recover' to 'we want a natural death' makes me think that some of those Christian Concern weirdos might be feeding them more nonsense.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:11
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Guavanaut posted:Every hospital should have somewhere where you can say goodbye in as dignified a way as possible, but the way they've gone straight from 'brainstem can recover' to 'we want a natural death' makes me think that some of those Christian Concern weirdos might be feeding them more nonsense. That's what a hospice is, for palliative end of life treatment. And from the court hearing even on the life support machine he is getting worse. The 'he'll wake up' thoughts were probably fewer when they were told parts of his brain are already dead.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:15
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crispix posted:i can tell you from experience it's bad enough travelling using even a single crutch Mind you, I'll probably end up getting signed off for a while, since you can't really work in a bar if you're on a crutch or in a knee brace
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Aug 5, 2022 19:16
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I've read that the family is very religious so I imagine there is some difficulty with the circumstances surrounding his death. It seems like they've been holding on as long as legally possible with the hope that he'd somehow recover. I'm not sure it was the right thing to do.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:17
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happyhippy posted:The 'he'll wake up' thoughts were probably fewer when they were told parts of his brain are already dead. I mean apparently not considering that’s what the doctors have been saying all along and yet the parents have spent weeks going through every courtroom in the country hoping that someone somewhere might agree with them
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Aug 5, 2022 19:25
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Isn't there a US right-wing Christian group funding all the legal stuff?
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Aug 5, 2022 19:27
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piano chimp posted:I've read that the family is very religious so I imagine there is some difficulty with the circumstances surrounding his death. It seems like they've been holding on as long as legally possible with the hope that he'd somehow recover. I'm not sure it was the right thing to do. they’re being supported by the Christian Legal Centre who are all batshit crazy extremists E: was checking a detail on the BBC and apparently the parents refused permission for MRIs on May 25 on the basis that moving Archie might harm him 
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Aug 5, 2022 19:27
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happyhippy posted:That's what a hospice is, for palliative end of life treatment. Given their spacebrain legal team were threatening to go the the United Nations to keep him on life support until a couple of days ago, what they have been telling the parents about hospice care may not be entirely realistic or honest.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:28
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I just assumed the 'Christian Concern' here was dragging it out to keep their organisation in the news as long as possible.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:34
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crispix posted:that's the shittest Neo outfit i've ever seen The other life is lived in Labour conferences where you go by the hacker alias 'Neoprene,' and are guilty of 8 breeches of the ministerial code. One of these lives has a future. The other does not. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Aug 5, 2022 |
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Aug 5, 2022 19:37
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Why does Italy always come up? Do they have a lot of doctors who like promising miracles, or is it always the same one?
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Bobstar posted:Why does Italy always come up? Do they have a lot of doctors who like promising miracles, or is it always the same one? Hospitals run by the church maybe?
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kingturnip posted:I just assumed that his parents were going to yeet him out of the country if they got approval to move him. That was my thoughts too. Didn't the same thing happen a few years ago with a request to take the kid to Italy?
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Aug 5, 2022 19:49
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crispix posted:do any medical goons know if it would be at all practical to move someone in archie battersbee's condition to a hospice and what difference if any there would be in his life ending there rather than in a hospital? The child is brain dead since May 31st, this is now about the feelings of the parents and their backers. I've watched people die in front of me so i'm not trolling in case anyone thinks my reply is too cold. edit: not a medical person btw.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:51
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bessantj posted:Shouldn't he be in Australia? That is too subtle for me. Call me Mrs Dim and explain as if I were 5 years old.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:58
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serious gaylord posted:That was my thoughts too. Didn't the same thing happen a few years ago with a request to take the kid to Italy? There was a whole rigamarole with another kid a while back yeah, same stuff, demanding the poor kid be carted all over the place to do god knows what to him when he'd been brain dead for a while. You would really hope the god botherers would at least be able to handle people dying at least as well as everyone else can but apparently not.
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Aug 5, 2022 19:59
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:That is too subtle for me. Call me Mrs Dim and explain as if I were 5 years old. John Frost was a leader of the Chartists who was sentenced to death for treason but had it commuted to transportation for life to Australia. serious gaylord posted:That was my thoughts too. Didn't the same thing happen a few years ago with a request to take the kid to Italy? Are you thinking of the Alfie Evans case?
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Charlie Gard was the one I was thinking of.
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Guavanaut posted:Charlie Gard was the one I was thinking of. I think that is the one I was thinking of too.
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For some reason I had thought it was a reference to David Frost who I always thought sounded vaguely Australian (like posher people round Kent strangely do?) or at least Michael Sheen's version of him did
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bessantj posted:John Frost was a leader of the Chartists who was sentenced to death for treason but had it commuted to transportation for life to Australia. Ah yes. The person to whom John Frost Square and the dying John Frost Shopping Centre is Newport is named for.
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Guavanaut posted:Charlie Gard was the one I was thinking of. Oh I remember that one now. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Ah yes. The person to whom John Frost Square and the dying John Frost Shopping Centre is Newport is named for. John Frost Square went a while back. Making way for the glorious Friar's Walk.
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bessantj posted:Oh I remember that one now. Oh yeah I'm getting muddled up. I thought JF Sq was still there though. Between Friar's Walk and Kingsway Mall? I'll have to look next time I'm there.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Oh yeah I'm getting muddled up. I thought JF Sq was still there though. Between Friar's Walk and Kingsway Mall? I'll have to look next time I'm there. I guess that bit of Friar's Walk does get called John Frost square, though I think most people just know it as Friar's Walk these days.
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OwlFancier posted:You would really hope the god botherers would at least be able to handle people dying at least as well as everyone else can but apparently not. I am very ignorant but does the fact that the kid hanged himself mean he's going to hell, if you believe in that stuff? I assumed that is why they were trying so hard to keep him on life support.
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Depends on what faith. JP2 reworded the Canon around it so that it has to be deliberate and malicious self-denial of life (like a suicide cult), someone acting out of despair or illness or turmoil isn't dying in mortal sin, and a child doing it by accident is completely outside of that anyway. That's for RC, CofE said similar back in the 60s, I don't know/care about what sedevacantist groups who think the Pope is a Nazi Space Jew think, nor do I know what the family subscribes to. I think what this is more illustrative of is the difference between religion as a social thing, something beyond the natural where you might pray and light a candle, and this kind of individualist hyper-charismatic Armor of God bullshit that thinks you can appeal to the UN to overturn medicine. The latter is 100% a matter of Capital and power flexing for the people behind it.
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You'd think that life support would be Against God's Will, I wonder how they square that circle.
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OwlFancier posted:You would really hope the god botherers would at least be able to handle people dying at least as well as everyone else can but apparently not. My friend, the entirety of human religion is based on the inability to handle death.
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Umbra Dubium posted:My friend, the entirety of human religion is based on the inability to handle death. Well yeah but once you've "established" that there is an afterlife, and after you've developed a passionate belief in it, you'd think you'd take a more relaxed approach to the death of your physical body
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That's what I mean, the whole point of the bloody thing is to give people the ability to face death with something approximating grace. If we heathens can manage it without demanding the entirety of society and the laws of physics bend around our inability to handle it you would hope people with an actual established process for what it means and what you do, would be better at it, and yet they seem to be disproportionately represented in having the worst ideas and the worst responses about the whole business.
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I think if this were about the state of the child's immortal soul they'd ask a priest or someone instead of a group of scammy lawyers. Like sure there's a bunch of psychic scam artistry around the afterlife, but these people are lying to the parents about what is possible and desirable within the constraints of this material world. Parents are understandably in shock over a sudden and traumatic death of a child, bunch of regressive pricks have said "no he's not dead actually", they got taken in, regressive pricks are basking in the fame. That's about it as far as I can tell.
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Just Another Lurker posted:I've watched people die in front of me so i'm not trolling in case anyone thinks my reply is too cold. not one of the more reassuring edits
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:not one of the more reassuring edits personally it reassured me we don't associate with the next harold shipman
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It does seem like the family have been interdicted in their natural course of grief and mourning by a crusading bunch of christian lawyers. Assuming the parents are the patsies in the situation, what's the grift though? What agenda does it further for the christian legal centre? Their website says a load of pablum about supporting christians who take a stand, but what do they really gain if they are successful in forcing the state to keep the corpse of a child mechanically sustained indefinitely?
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 Firstly, they want the NHS destroyed. Then they want attacks on LGBT, women, contraception, sex ed, safeguarding. Get those birthrates up and that sweet feudalism in, they think they might get a seat near the top.
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Guavanaut posted:I think if this were about the state of the child's immortal soul they'd ask a priest or someone instead of a group of scammy lawyers. Like sure there's a bunch of psychic scam artistry around the afterlife, but these people are lying to the parents about what is possible and desirable within the constraints of this material world. But if he was having a strangle wank doesn't that mean he's straight off to hell?
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Guavanaut posted:
I would agree with the following complication. The parents are in shock, but they aren't grieving. The grieving process only really starts when you can lay your loved one to rest. They haven't been able to do that. They've had to watch their son stay on life support, seeing him still present while at the same time feeling the pain of him dying. Basically they are stuck unable to move on in the healing process. And if you are in that situation you are very easy to manipulate. One thing grief will do is you will latch onto a crazy narrative (even one that is wrong) that "makes sense" over a truth that boils down to "bad things sometimes happens. No moral." Thus why they are going along with "we need to go to court to fight for your son!" It's why I believe during the Pandemic so many people went full "the 5G towers are activating the nWo's super weapon! We must fight back!" Since that made more "sense" than "there is a really bad virus out there. So many constants in your life have been revealed as lies."
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