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Bogus Adventure posted:It's Battin time would absolutely own as a meme for Laszlo from What We Do In The Shadows Actually he only uses that for when he's flying home, when he turns into a bat to leave it's BattOUT!
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Jimbot posted:A Superman film that focuses his time at the daily planet would be neato. Him bringing up the lack of coverage on the downtrodden and marginalized of society in BvS was great stuff. It may have been on this forum, but someone had the idea of the CIA trying to assassinate Clark Kent, not because they know he’s Superman but because he’s close to blowing the lid off one of their many ongoing crimes against humanity.
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Aug 5, 2022 20:32
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live with fruit posted:Iron Man was very fresh. Most superheroes up to that point were brooding and sad and then RDJ came in and RDJ'd it up. And part of that probably is Tony Stark being a new character. It's hard to imagine someone coming up with a fresh take on Peter Parker or Bruce Wayne at this point. And then the ending where he outs himself was also a pretty big twist. "Copying the MCU" is ironic because what made the MCU popular was that it did something new. Iron Man was loving great and i think it largely benefited from centering itself around a (at the time) C list hero in a film that had next to zero expectations so Favreau could largely do what he wanted and had a bit of blank slate along with some terrific actors on board driving it. I liked Incredible Hulk and The First Avenger well enough also. Basebf555 posted:Yea I'm not saying it's actually a smart idea to try to replicate the MCU, it's just that they seem intent on doing it. And they are not gonna do it the right way. I mean, yeah, it's brought up a lot but that's mainly because it's true. They tried to hard to copy Marvel's template when they really didn't have to and then rushed everything with BvS, JL in an apparent attempt to catch up and the whole god damned thing became a mess. I think that by and large the best DC films were the ones that didn't worry too much about crossing over and building a universe. MoS, Shazam, WW1, Aquaman. Even Joker and The Batman I liked. Watchmen was OK. DC has done some good poo poo. Plus, what Marvel did was never guaranteed to WORK and, in the beginning, the universe building was largely relegated to stinger and post credit scenes. Once the movies caught on, the momentum kind of built on itself
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Aug 5, 2022 20:34
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I always like to think of what it must have been like working at the daily planet as a journalist, watching Kent, sneak away from his desk or finding closets with his just his outerwear stuffed in a box
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Aug 5, 2022 20:38
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Mat Cauthon posted:Convince McQuarrie do his Green Lantern movie with Cruise, We did it, we found the premise for Top Gun 3 edit: I would accept Hal if TC played him
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Aug 5, 2022 20:41
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the problem with the green latern is that the character and his power is fundamentally stupid. there's basically no way to make it without a ton of lovely cartoon cgi that sucks rear end.
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Aug 5, 2022 20:45
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BiggerBoat posted:I mean, yeah, it's brought up a lot but that's mainly because it's true. They tried to hard to copy Marvel's template when they really didn't have to and then rushed everything with BvS, JL in an apparent attempt to catch up and the whole god damned thing became a mess. I think that by and large the best DC films were the ones that didn't worry too much about crossing over and building a universe. MoS, Shazam, WW1, Aquaman. Even Joker and The Batman I liked. Watchmen was OK. DC has done some good poo poo. And when you look at what Snyder was doing was actually making this big grand biblical story with a real beginning and end and thematic consistency. They were asking him to do in earnest what is essentially just marketing for Marvel.
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Aug 5, 2022 20:50
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Timeless Appeal posted:
its such a bummer we wont get to see snyder and a pretty great cast (millers issues aside) finish what he started. i need to see cavills superman meet darkseid, man!
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Aug 5, 2022 20:57
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Ammanas posted:its such a bummer we wont get to see snyder and a pretty great cast (millers issues aside) finish what he started. i need to see cavills superman meet darkseid, man! Agree but ultimately I’m just glad the Snyder cut came out.
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Aug 5, 2022 21:42
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Ammanas posted:the problem with the green lantern is that the character and his power is fundamentally stupid. there's basically no way to make it without a ton of lovely cartoon cgi that sucks rear end. In live action, yeah. Something like Spider-Verse that embraced a really impressionistic or surreal art style could be amazing. I could see an animated GL story doing some visually wild stuff that really takes advantage of what the rings are about, limited only by the imagination of the wearer. But another live action cape movie with green CG blobs everywhere would just be the Reynolds movie again. Not interested.
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Aug 5, 2022 21:44
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Ammanas posted:the problem with the green latern is that the character and his power is fundamentally stupid. there's basically no way to make it without a ton of lovely cartoon cgi that sucks rear end. They should do one about the previous GL before Hal that was some cocky Warlord dude and since lots of stuff was made out of wood at the time the GL Corp or whatever programmed it to be able to do anything except effect wood.
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Aug 5, 2022 21:51
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I love my 4 hour indulgent Snyder Cut but I also would love to see what a ~3 hour theatrical cut of that would look like. You watch that four hour epic and it feels like almost every scene fits. You really don't feel its length, even with the longer sequences that are there for artistic flair. But yeah, I never expect Snyder to come back. If he does, he'll probably be a producer or some sort of consultant. As for the actors, I'd love for them to come back. Erza not withstanding. Wonder Woman is the only role that I can stand Gal Gadot so kudos to the directors for making it work. (WW84 not withstanding)
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Aug 5, 2022 21:55
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The idea that WB/DC was trying to copy the MCU formula is simply not true. It is quite the opposite. Snyder specifically told them that wasnt doable and gave them a plan on how to execute a franchised superhero saga without needing that structure. He and Terio have spoken about this on the record. It wasnt about catching up by speeding down the same road wrecklessly, it was about taking a different more efficient path to a similar conclusion. They certainly marketed it all similarly by having a big slate announcement but it looks comically lean compared to the MCU and the zigs and zags DC has had to make ever since BvS. Everything went wrong when the financiers and WB executives expected and automatic 1bil from BvS and panicked when it didnt happen, pretty much every bad desicion they made came after this.
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Aug 5, 2022 23:08
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It all started back when they cut that 30 minutes from BvS to fit more showings in the day.
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Aug 5, 2022 23:12
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The past decade of DC films could roughly be summed up as: WB makes series of bad choices 2012-14 in reaction to Marvel Studios’ success, responds to the results of said bad choices by overcorrecting, responds to the results of the bad choices that came out of the overcorrection to the original bad choices by overcorrecting… and so on.
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Aug 5, 2022 23:48
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Neo Rasa posted:Actually he only uses that for when he's flying home, when he turns into a bat to leave it's BattOUT! lmao
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Aug 5, 2022 23:56
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Ammanas posted:the problem with the green latern is that the character and his power is fundamentally stupid. there's basically no way to make it without a ton of lovely cartoon cgi that sucks rear end. Tom cruise playing one of the three white guys (who cares which one) loses his ring and has to spend the whole movie doing crazy death defying stunts around the world to get it back
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Aug 6, 2022 02:14
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Barry Convex posted:The past decade of DC films could roughly be summed up as: WB makes series of bad choices 2012-14 in reaction to Marvel Studios’ success, responds to the results of said bad choices by overcorrecting, responds to the results of the bad choices that came out of the overcorrection to the original bad choices by overcorrecting… and so on.
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Ammanas posted:the problem with the green latern is that the character and his power is fundamentally stupid. there's basically no way to make it without a ton of lovely cartoon cgi that sucks rear end. Just do one of the arcs where the enemy neutralizes the ring or absorbs light energy or whatever.
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Aug 6, 2022 03:34
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Ms. Marvel basically has Green Lantern powers in the show and it looked fine.
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Aug 6, 2022 03:38
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I think it was said elsewhere that the whole reason the MCU succeeded in the long run is because Marvel Studios actually held their nerve and didn't panic and throw their toys out the pram when Captain America and Thor weren't perfect replicas but moreso of Iron Man's success and impact. They had a plan, one that was already loose enough to adapt to reception without having to throw everything out and start over, and actually stuck to it. WB had a plan, or rather Snyder gave them a plan for basically Superhero Lord of the Rings, then wouldn't stop loving around with their movies, having massively unrealistic expectations and wildly overreacting to online weirdos.
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Aug 6, 2022 04:47
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think it was said elsewhere that the whole reason the MCU succeeded in the long run is because Marvel Studios actually held their nerve and didn't panic and throw their toys out the pram when Captain America and Thor weren't perfect replicas but moreso of Iron Man's success and impact. They had a plan, one that was already loose enough to adapt to reception without having to throw everything out and start over, and actually stuck to it. As the above poster mentioned, Ms Marvel has Green Lantern powers now. This was a change they made in the comics more or less over a year ago (if I recall correctly.) Clearly an editorial mandated change because that's how they wanted to do the character for the TV show. They were very much planning on it. I saw a ton of bitching on Twitter about the change to her powers in the TV show in the weeks leading up to the show. All of that absolutely forgotten by the time the show was running. Then a couple days of complaining that she's now the first mutant rather than an Inhuman, like the comics. Now in the wake of the WBD call, I'm seeing unironic praise for Kevin Fegie, who oh so loves and respects these characters.
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Detective No. 27 posted:As the above poster mentioned, Ms Marvel has Green Lantern powers now. This was a change they made in the comics more or less over a year ago (if I recall correctly.) Clearly an editorial mandated change because that's how they wanted to do the character for the TV show. They were very much planning on it. One of the biggest things going for Ms. Marvel was Iman Vellani. I don't think Disney/Marvel could have gotten a better person to play her if they'd grow her in some kind of cloning vat.
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They should have stayed the course. If they just left Justice League alone in the first place it would have come out and probably been like 2 and a half hours, reasonable, with less of the more cringey stuff. It sounds like Suicide Squad would have been better based on what the people who were in it said. JL would have come out in 2016, JL2 in either 2017 or 2018,(I might be off by a year on both of those I don't remember when it actually came out) then everything would have been established and they could do whatever they wanted from there, and Snyder would have naturally moved onto something else. All the most well received by audience/critics movies they put out had nothing to do with any of the drama one way or another and could either fit or not fit in the "continuity" they were mostly standalone with minor references to previous events. At its best a cinematic shared universe is a setting, not a map. At its best Marvel gets that, at it's most overindulgent and annoying Marvel is nonstop self referential. DCs best stuff was also just sharing a setting, and worst trying to imitate the worst marvel tendencies.
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Aug 6, 2022 05:49
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Ms. marvels show powers were hokey as poo poo. Everyone keeps saying how bad stretchy powers look but that garbage was worse as far as I’m concerned.
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hiddenriverninja posted:https://twitter.com/BatgirlFilm/status/1555351494005850124 It's half past bat o'clock and my alarm just went off, punk
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Invalid Validation posted:Ms. marvels show powers were hokey as poo poo. Everyone keeps saying how bad stretchy powers look but that garbage was worse as far as I’m concerned. I liked the using the force fields for platforming, like Mario's cloud power up. And basically loved how difficult it was to ever catch something successfully.
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Detective No. 27 posted:As the above poster mentioned, Ms Marvel has Green Lantern powers now. This was a change they made in the comics more or less over a year ago (if I recall correctly.) Clearly an editorial mandated change because that's how they wanted to do the character for the TV show. They were very much planning on it. Not sure where you're getting that from because she's still a stretcher in the comics AFAIK. Hell, a preview just dropped for an issue coming out next week where she's stretching her fingers Mr. Fantastic style to grab something out of a tree.
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Really? I could have sworn I heard that she was given GL like hard light powers around a year ago. (Was it a What If comic?) Well, in that case, that reinforces my point. Feige doesn't give a poo poo about the comics or their accuracy. Marvel Studios will ride that hype machine when they're giving the fans what they want, and in the times where they get fan backlash for changes, they ride it out, because fans are fickle and will forget after a week because the next big thing is right around the corner. Their strength has been staying the course. If there was a definitive moment where it was clear they won the superhero movie war, it was when WB chickened out after BvS's mixed reception. (Despite it making it's budget back on merchandising prior to release and $800 million box office.)
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Aug 6, 2022 06:42
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I mean there's a reason that crazy demanding delusional Snyder Cult has been basically just asking WB to get out of their own way and stick with the plan they already had.
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Invalid Validation posted:Ms. marvels show powers were hokey as poo poo. Everyone keeps saying how bad stretchy powers look but that garbage was worse as far as I’m concerned. It was not that bad, and in the after credits scene, you could see how they're going to change the effects for the movie. Finally watching it after hearing all the hubbub and she even stretches and poo poo like that so it was just like why are people mad?
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I think the thing about the Green Lantern powers is you have to think about the texture of it. That's what makes the Ms. Marvel powers look good to me, they have their own internal logic and visual consistency no matter what construct she's making. I think even the short bit we see in Justice League looks pretty okay because it has this whispy aura to it and this brighter core in the center. The 2011 Green Lantern movie often just depicts Lantern constructs as literal items but just green and vaguely glowing.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think the thing about the Green Lantern powers is you have to think about the texture of it. That's what makes the Ms. Marvel powers look good to me, they have their own internal logic and visual consistency no matter what construct she's making. I think even the short bit we see in Justice League looks pretty okay because it has this whispy aura to it and this brighter core in the center. The 2011 Green Lantern movie often just depicts Lantern constructs as literal items but just green and vaguely glowing.  Also, I think it helps if you keep things simple. Yalan Gur in ZSJL looks great in ZSJL because the costume and the power are limited and sharply defined. You can still have cool effects like the symbol projecting from the chest, but you don't need to have some weird muscle-textured outfit like the Ryan Reynolds one.  
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think it was said elsewhere that the whole reason the MCU succeeded in the long run is because Marvel Studios actually held their nerve and didn't panic and throw their toys out the pram when Captain America and Thor weren't perfect replicas but moreso of Iron Man's success and impact. They had a plan, one that was already loose enough to adapt to reception without having to throw everything out and start over, and actually stuck to it. Lord of the Rings. Biblical. Seeing a lot of ways to describe comic books that aren't particularly comic book-y What's cool about the DC comic universe is how immense it is. How it combines almost every type genre, from monkey detective nonsense, to serial killer poo poo, and in some of my favorite *coughManhuntercough* everything in between. It's an absurd place in a world unrecognizable from our own, with an immense sense of history and a wry sense of humor bc you never know if Captain Cold is going to freeze your rear end during your lunch break. Feels like CW's Legends sometimes approached that, and that's where the animated JL lived. It would be cool if the movies were the same instead of so....self serious
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Shageletic posted:Lord of the Rings. Biblical. 
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Shageletic posted:Lord of the Rings. Biblical. It's not some radically new or edgy hot take that comic books could be considered modern mythology.
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"Comic booky" could literally describe anything from Zany Silver-Aged Superdickery to Crossed. For a while people were trying to use "graphic novel" to separate the comic books that actually had pretentions about being something beyond mindless entertainment, but as far as I know that's totally died and they're just a media, not a message. As far as comic-book superheroes goes Richard Donner's Superman and Lexi Alexander's Punisher are both accurate reflections of some of their source material and couldn't be more different. "The comic book tone" is a pointless argument.
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Shageletic posted:It would be cool if the movies were the same instead of so....self serious The word you're looking for is earnest. Particularly Man of steel Batman v. Superman Wonder woman and ZSJL, earnestly presenting this world with no cutting down on the actual comic bookness. Don't forget the version you're asking for already exist in the whedon version of Justice League.
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World actually like it if comic book movies seemed less like CW shows. But that's just me.
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Lol the famous comic books The Lord of the Rings teagone posted:It's not some radically new or edgy hot take that comic books could be considered modern mythology. It's just one I don't find particularly interesting. It just makes it seem like you're trying to import significance to a type of media that is already pretty cool and interesting. Comic books are insane and weird and fantastic. And I don't see enough of that with these movies.
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