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Luna posted:Any recommendations on a good drum pad? I don't need/want all the synth sounds or am I going to be a DJ. I just want a grid of 8-10 pads with decent drum sounds and the ability to use it to trigger a superior drummer type software in a DAW setting. The ability to use sticks and foot triggers is a big plus. the Roland SPD-SX is the industry standard. depending on where you are you'll be able to find used ones in great condition on craigslist/fb
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Hey, percussionist/general musician here; I don't have a drumkit but I do have a Korg Padkontrol, my favourite piece of gear ever. Is this thread cool to discuss drumming involving it? I obviously realize the differences but I'm going to be practicing more and more with it in the next coming whatever, because I used to be much better with it, and haven't really been practicing or putting in any time with it over the past 2-3 years. If this isn't the thread for it, is there a better one that someone can send me to? Thanks! Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Hey, percussionist/general musician here; I don't have a drumkit but I do have a Korg Padkontrol, my favourite piece of gear ever. Is this thread cool to discuss drumming involving it? I obviously realize the differences but I'm going to be practicing more and more with it in the next coming whatever, because I used to be really great with it, and haven't really been practicing or putting in any time with it over the past 2-3 years. This is the place! Welcome to the percussion thread. I see you post in a lot of TV threads I post in   There's not really enough talk here about all percussion to warrant extra threads for things as specific as samplers, but I assume any of the electronic music threads would work for certain elements of that. Plus there's actually quite a bit of electronic kit discussion here (not exactly the same as what you're talking about, but if you want to discuss patches and whatnot there's probably a lot of overlap) Was there something in particular you wanted to discuss? Like are you trying to improve your vocabulary, get more into sequencing, build your chops...?
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timp posted:This is the place! Welcome to the percussion thread. I see you post in a lot of TV threads I post in Not many questions right now; it's mainly for me to periodically (maybe) post about my chop improvement. But I'm glad to know that if/when I do, I can come here. I'm planning on adapting rudiments for my finger drumming (I hate that term but it fits, so  ) and just generally working towards being as adept at using the Padkontrol as I can be, beyond how I used to be. Here's hoping!
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'Sup Rupert? As timp said, you're in the right place but also might want to check out the Synths thread for more MIDI-related stuff if you want to expand your musical vocabulary to include other electronic triggers and samples and stuff. You're also on the right track! Rudiments can be adapted to finger drumming no problem. Spread them out across your PadKontrol's pads; learn the standard MIDI mapping that tends to place certain drums in certain places and run with that. In the meantime, some inspiration for your 16-pad finger drumming odyssey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_gLaaLQUw Comedy option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrcV2W73rGc
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Mister Speaker posted:'Sup Rupert? As timp said, you're in the right place but also might want to check out the Synths thread for more MIDI-related stuff if you want to expand your musical vocabulary to include other electronic triggers and samples and stuff. You're also on the right track! Rudiments can be adapted to finger drumming no problem. Spread them out across your PadKontrol's pads; learn the standard MIDI mapping that tends to place certain drums in certain places and run with that. In the meantime, some inspiration for your 16-pad finger drumming odyssey: Thanks! I actually am pretty well-versed with synths and midi interfaces (used to be a full-time composer for a casino gaming company, loved that job), and graduated with honours in recording arts from a local technical college; my goal now is the actual musical and rhythmic technique. Basically, I want to become a better finger drummer. I'm somewhere between 'good' and 'ok, I guess', but I'm shooting for David Haynes' levels, hopefully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_BZOQ5KrI Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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All of this rocks, I was not familiar with finger drumming before this conversation, but I just wanna say I'd read the gently caress out of an ask/tell thread about composing for casino games, that sounds interesting as poo poo
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Oh yeah that's right, I forgot you've done some music/engineering work before! Rupert Buttermilk posted:Thanks! I actually am pretty well-versed with synths and midi interfaces (used to be a full-time composer for a casino gaming company, loved that job) Seconding that you should make a thread or at least elaborate on this a bit.
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I actually already did an A/T waaaaayyy back in I think 2010 or 2011. I'm having a hell of a time finding it now, though. To elaborate, from 2010 to 2013, I worked as a full-time sound designer and composer for Spielo International (who later merged with IGT), working on digital slot games for both the bar and casino market. It was the most fantastic job I could have ever had, and I loved every minute. Life happened, and my then-fiancee and I moved to Montreal in 2013. I applied my rear end off to I think every game company around, and unfortunately didn't get in anywhere. As painful as it was at the time, looking back, that was kind of a blessing, as the video game industry is extremely volatile regarding job security, and it felt like I was hearing about mass layoffs every 2-3 months, specifically in Montréal, and I was trying to raise a family. I did contract work for them (Spielo/IGT) for about another year after that, and then went fully freelance while working a full time job, unrelated to audio. While I do miss the job, because of the merger, I likely would've been laid off anyway, as IGT already had a ton of sound/music people, whereas our Spielo office had 2. I always said that, prior to the merger, that with one audio person, their workload was 150%, but two really brought it down to 75%. Having waaaaayyy more on staff like a year after I left meant that I would've been laid off, so ANYWAY, that's not really interesting in the least! I loved thinking up super positive and happy musical loops daily, creating an intangible sense of 'fun' through sound design, and just generally working with developers. Here's my completely outdated demo reel! https://vimeo.com/53121521 Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I actually already did an A/T waaaaayyy back in I think 2010 or 2011. I'm having a hell of a time finding it now, though. So how much psychology was involved with sound design for casino games? Was there a set script for creating music? For example, would you say "ok, the wheel is spinning so we want to create tension by working in a minor mode and then modulate to major when the spinning stops"?
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:So how much psychology was involved with sound design for casino games? Was there a set script for creating music? For example, would you say "ok, the wheel is spinning so we want to create tension by working in a minor mode and then modulate to major when the spinning stops"? We were always told "Write in C, try to resolve in the major'. The key only mattered because that's apparently what everything else was written in, like other companies' machines, so you didn't want to sound completely dissonant (aside from hearing some minor scale work alongside major scale). The compression was awful. It was something like maybe 2 db of headroom for non bonus loops, and 0.1 db of headroom for bonus loops. All of my dynamics theory and training went right out the window (or rather, my training was used to understand just how little dynamic volume was available). We used Waves L1 limiter to just slam everything to the wall.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:We were always told "Write in C, try to resolve in the major'. The key only mattered because that's apparently what everything else was written in, like other companies' machines, so you didn't want to sound completely dissonant (aside from hearing some minor scale work alongside major scale). n'thing the casino game composer questions, that sounds like a super cool gig! What kind of instrumentation did you have at your disposal? Was it like a standard MIDI array? Did your workflow involve writing for one game and then moving onto the next? If so, how much music would you write for one game, and how long would that take? Any machines I should listen out for in particular next time I go to Vegas?  Fake edit: were you also responsible for sound effects? If so, how did that work? And if not, did you work alongside the person who did? I have to imagine sound effects are where the real psychology happens
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timp posted:n'thing the casino game composer questions, that sounds like a super cool gig! I can't write too much, only because I'm supposed to be working right now (and I'm still looking for the original A/T thread that answers a lot of these questions) but I was both a sound designer and composer. If you're in Vegas, I worked on both the Bejeweled and Zuma casino games, though a lot of the audio was directly from Popcap themselves. I did get to throw a fair bit of my own work in there though. Devices at my disposal consisted of a Yamaha midi keyboard (I'm blanking on the model), and I specifically requested a Padkontrol, though I ended up making most loops in Reason. Software was Reason 4, Sonar X1, Sony Sound forge, Vegas (for minor video work, like working on sound design to picture, for animations, and also exporting the animations with sound for presentations) and I brought on Reaper, which we ended up using due to the insane flexibility of its routing matrix and export options. All of our exported files were OGG, and we also had to deal with surround sound. It wasn't true surround, more like regular multichannel, because of the machine setup (and eventually we added a chair). It was a weird setup, with the sub on channel 3, and I remember working out a Reaper template that would take any stereo file and properly route the specific frequencies out to their own channels (really, it was to filter all low end to channel 3). Before Reaper, if we wanted to make a multichannel OGG, we used a tiny freeware program called Ogg Drop. The problem was that it would royally gently caress up assigned channels, so we'd have to take LITERALLY every MC file and go into sound forge and rearrange it. My reaper setup saved us SO much time  They were about to jump into Unity and by extension FMOD right before I left, partially because I just absolutely wouldn't shut up about how great it would be to have actual audio middleware involved, rather than just use OpenAL and then have to send all playback behaviour instructions to the devs. Edit: hahaha "can't write much", writes multiple paragraphs. Ah well. Edit 2: I misremembered.... We had a Sonar X1 multichannel export template but it would leave channel 4 blank. That'd be fine, as we didn't use channel 4 for anything but if you threw in a multichannel wav file into Ogg Drop, THEN it would mess absolutely everything up. So, when we exported from X1, we'd have to manually fill up channel 4 with just a copy of another channel's audio data, and THEN drop it into Ogg drop. Again, my reaper template fixed all of this and I was super proud of it. My boss, who only understood some of this (but was awesome and keen to learn) was very glad I found a way to cut down on annoying busy work. Edit: found my old ASK/TELL thread from... good god, over 11 years ago. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3375096&pagenumber=1&perpage=40 Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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This is the latest thing I bothered drumming on live, which is about 1.5 years ago, with some minor time corrections here and there. It's.... fine for what it is, but I need to be able to get to a much faster tempo while still being able to improvise here and there. Apologies for the mix, but the percussion really wasn't the focus of the track. Listen to Chicago? No, Sheboygan: An Eclectic tribute to Gus Polinski by Robot Cousin on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/EmsDj Edit: crap, double post. Also, don't Soundcloud links embed?
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Has anyone had good experiences with things such as the REMO Silent Strike heads on traditional sets vs e-kits in regards to sound dampening? I am moving to a bigger apartment soon and would like to start taking drumming lessons / get a new hobby now that I have the space but I dont want to make the neighbors mad.
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Tenchrono posted:Has anyone had good experiences with things such as the REMO Silent Strike heads on traditional sets vs e-kits in regards to sound dampening? I am moving to a bigger apartment soon and would like to start taking drumming lessons / get a new hobby now that I have the space but I dont want to make the neighbors mad. one of the studios i teach at has a kit with silent strokes and it’s p quiet, but that’s in the context of a loud music school. it’d prolly be okay for an apartment, esp if you put some additional dampening in the bass drum, and maybe even great if you went through the trouble of making a plywood/tennis ball isolation stand for the whole kit. either way it’d really depend on which room you’re playing in/which floor you’re on—are you playing against a shared wall/do you have people below you?
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Jazz Marimba posted:one of the studios i teach at has a kit with silent strokes and it’s p quiet, but that’s in the context of a loud music school. it’d prolly be okay for an apartment, esp if you put some additional dampening in the bass drum, and maybe even great if you went through the trouble of making a plywood/tennis ball isolation stand for the whole kit. either way it’d really depend on which room you’re playing in/which floor you’re on—are you playing against a shared wall/do you have people below you? Thanks! Its going in our “music” room so its not sharing anything other than a ceiling and floor but the walls and floors in our apartments are fairly well insulted. We were going to put acoustic stuff up regardless, but the tennis balls / plywood are a good idea. Originally I was thinking of a barn mat type deal.
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If someone lives below you they are going to hate any sort of kick drum pad/stand unless you make some sort of dampening platform. The sound might not go far but the vibration does.
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My wife is somewhat interested in the idea of having an electric drum kit in the house and I think if we did she'd jam with me (and, increasingly, the kids) sometimes. I don't want to spend $2000 on this but I also don't want to buy some $300 piece of trash I know nothing about. Can anyone make some suggestions for electronic kits on something like a budget, used is fine especially if there's a reverb link etc. Electric is pretty necessary, I don't have the space here to facilltate banging on a real set and I already have enough tinnitus to last my life. If I could get something for 3-400$ that's ideal; if we really get into it, can always go to something nicer later.
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Find a used Roland TD-17 kit (td-17kvx is the latest revision), feels like the best bang for your buck without settling IMO. If you don't go Roland you want to at least make sure you get mesh heads. Alesis makes some decent entry gear, but that's the route I first went and ended up piecemeal replacing literally everything but the rack to Roland stuff so I'd say just start there if you can swing it.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:Can anyone make some suggestions for electronic kits on something like a budget, used is fine especially if there's a reverb link etc. Electric is pretty necessary, I don't have the space here to facilltate banging on a real set and I already have enough tinnitus to last my life. If I could get something for 3-400$ that's ideal; if we really get into it, can always go to something nicer later. drop your local craigslist/whatever link and i’m sure a few of us would find you something…looking at drums is always fun, especially when you don’t have to spend your own money on them
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Cabbages and Kings posted:My wife is somewhat interested in the idea of having an electric drum kit in the house and I think if we did she'd jam with me (and, increasingly, the kids) sometimes. I don't want to spend $2000 on this but I also don't want to buy some $300 piece of trash I know nothing about. Alesis Pro Pad isn't a traditional trap kit arrangement but for around your price range you get a kit, stand and two triggers that are compact and portable.
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I've been watching a LOT of drumming videos lately, and this one might be my favourite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifDJgNlg3sc
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Jazz Marimba posted:looking at drums is always fun Vintage Drum Catalogs is a great follow https://www.instagram.com/vintage.drum.catalogs/ My God, the size of toms back in the 70s and 80s.
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Yeah they were great. Dang shrinkflation 
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Picked up a 5 piece Pearl Roadshow with Zildjian cymbals this weekend while I was moving into my new apartment. Next step is building the tennis ball riser, the RTOM black holes are really good at muting most of the sound as well.
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Do any of the fine posters in this thread use their teeth to drum? I'm not talking about holding the sticks, I'm talking about making weird little mouth noises to yourself by grinding and clacking them in a drum-like fashion while you're going about your daily business. I ask because I've done it for as long as I can remember and my partner thinks it's weird, and then I read today in Dave Grohl's autobiography that he does it too and apparently the only other person he's known do it was Kurt Cobain. But I reckon it's got to be more common than that (and to be honest he probably hasn't asked that many people.)
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I don't get my teeth into the mix, but I pretty regularly have a quiet little beat box thing going on.
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sebzilla posted:Do any of the fine posters in this thread use their teeth to drum? I'm not talking about holding the sticks, I'm talking about making weird little mouth noises to yourself by grinding and clacking them in a drum-like fashion while you're going about your daily business. MY PEOPLE. Yes, I constantly CONSTANTLY use my teeth to drum. I have a 'move' for kick, snare, hi hat (open and closed), toms... They're all pretty similar, and it's mostly my mind making up the difference. I even do flams! 
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sebzilla posted:Do any of the fine posters in this thread use their teeth to drum? I'm not talking about holding the sticks, I'm talking about making weird little mouth noises to yourself by grinding and clacking them in a drum-like fashion while you're going about your daily business. yes and i’m in an eternal struggle to stop cuz i know it’s wearing my teeth down
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I have to stop myself from doing it when I sit down to get a haircut because I know it makes my temples pulsate 
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Not before now I didn't, but I'm going to and my family will likely throw me out.
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BonHair posted:Not before now I didn't, but I'm going to and my family will likely throw me out. Ideally, no one should know you're even doing it. For me, it's almost silent (I hear it, but that's because it's my mouth) around others.
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Jazz Marimba posted:drop your local craigslist/whatever link and i’m sure a few of us would find you something…looking at drums is always fun, especially when you don’t have to spend your own money on them I'm in Vermont so our whole state is one craigslist, and some poo poo goes on FB
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sebzilla posted:Do any of the fine posters in this thread use their teeth to drum? I'm not talking about holding the sticks, I'm talking about making weird little mouth noises to yourself by grinding and clacking them in a drum-like fashion while you're going about your daily business. As a brief aside, the audiobook version of Grohl's book is spectacular and everyone should get it.
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Luna posted:Any recommendations on a good drum pad? I don't need/want all the synth sounds or am I going to be a DJ. I just want a grid of 8-10 pads with decent drum sounds and the ability to use it to trigger a superior drummer type software in a DAW setting. The ability to use sticks and foot triggers is a big plus. The timing of your post is perfect because I am also coming here for drum pad recommendations. I saw one linked after your post but it is on the super high end for me. In need of something less expensive and more geared towards a beginner and casual/hobbyist.
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Real feel is great, the double sided ones can help a lot but even just a good gum side is a fine.
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If the early 90s were a drum set https://www.instagram.com/p/ChXY6nDOLZm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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The floor toms are too small, but I'd play the gently caress out of that kit.
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god i haaaaaaaaaaaaaaated that style of tom mount. still do. Never not gonna.
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