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You hear that, doomer wreckers? America's largest climate bill just got passed. Checkmate.
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Aug 7, 2022 22:28
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biceps crimes posted:This is the peak of what it looks like when democrats "do climate". They'll probably never do another climate bill again. And it's absolutely nothing lol. EVs are a new toy for the booj to masturbate with while the planet burns. just absolutely underlining how hosed we are The movement is indeed stronger and more organized than its ever been, and we are only going to make bigger strides in the years to come. We have the momentum, we have the people power, and we have truth and justice on our side. Cynicism is easy. Cynicism asks nothing of you. Cynicism is the easy way out.
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Aug 7, 2022 22:29
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Hot take: this is actually good looks like someone needs some media literacy
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Aug 7, 2022 22:29
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Pryor on Fire posted:The movement is indeed stronger and more organized than its ever been, and we are only going to make bigger strides in the years to come. We have the momentum, we have the people power, and we have truth and justice on our side. Hey whats your opinion on certain anime threads in ADTRW?
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Aug 7, 2022 22:36
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got my roof garden planted with insect attracting lantana and blue star, see if we can get bumble bees and butterflys to come over from the park.
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Aug 7, 2022 22:40
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A Bakers Cousin posted:is it really? maybe read more no u https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/08/06/inflation-reduction-act-irs/
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Aug 7, 2022 22:43
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lol at anyone thinking the IRS will use their influx of money to target wealthy person tax fraud
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Aug 7, 2022 22:45
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:no u lol did you read the article, where in there is anything concrete that is good?
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Aug 7, 2022 22:46
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Lol the word "solar" appears literally once, and all it is not ending a tax credit for two more years. Edit: nevermind, search on my phone was just wonky. 40 times
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Aug 7, 2022 22:56
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atelier morgan posted:wow! 80 billion dollars in tax credits for personal consumer choices that are only applicable to consumers who own a house and who have money to drop on upgrading it. like the tax increase on businesses just goes straight into the real estate equity of those businesses execs
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Aug 7, 2022 22:56
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Real hurthling! posted:got my roof garden planted with insect attracting lantana and blue star, see if we can get bumble bees and butterflys to come over from the park. borage. they love borage
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Aug 7, 2022 22:58
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A Bakers Cousin posted:lol did you read the article, where in there is anything concrete that is good? Yes, I read the article. Did you? IRS getting a massive amount of funding is good because it will give them the resources to boost enforcement to start going after high earners and corporations in earnest, while decreasing the frequency of audits for lower income people.
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Aug 7, 2022 23:40
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Yes, I read the article. Did you? IRS getting a massive amount of funding is good because it will give them the resources to boost enforcement to start going after high earners and corporations in earnest, while decreasing the frequency of audits for lower income people. LOL the irs chooses to use their limited resources almost entirely to go after low earners right now. Why on earth do you think more money would change that? There isn't a new mandate in the bill to do that.
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Aug 7, 2022 23:45
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Yes, I read the article. Did you? IRS getting a massive amount of funding is good because it will give them the resources to boost enforcement to start going after high earners and corporations in earnest, while decreasing the frequency of audits for lower income people. lol why do you think more funding will suddenly make them target people they havent targeted?
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Aug 7, 2022 23:46
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Yes, I read the article. Did you? IRS getting a massive amount of funding is good because it will give them the resources to boost enforcement to start going after high earners and corporations in earnest, while decreasing the frequency of audits for lower income people. 
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Aug 7, 2022 23:49
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silicone thrills posted:LOL the irs chooses to use their limited resources almost entirely to go after low earners right now. Why on earth do you think more money would change that? There isn't a new mandate in the bill to do that. notably they do this because low earners bring in more revenue per dollar spent on enforcement, so if the point of this IRS funding increase is to balance the bill they would be expected to focus even more on low earners lol
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Aug 7, 2022 23:51
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low earners can’t afford to fight, so they settle easy money pay close attention to how you write off those deductions next year
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Aug 7, 2022 23:52
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Yes, I read the article. Did you? IRS getting a massive amount of funding is good because it will give them the resources to boost enforcement to start going after high earners and corporations in earnest, while decreasing the frequency of audits for lower income people. whats stopping them from diverting enforcement away from low earners right now
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Aug 8, 2022 00:09
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Bohemian Grover posted:whats stopping them from diverting enforcement away from low earners right now The article answers this: quote:The idea is that the government could bring in more money by examining corporate and high-income returns than it does by pursuing lower- or middle-income taxpayers who make mistakes on their returns or underpay their taxes by small amounts. The IRS in recent years has grown more dependent on those types of audits because they are relatively inexpensive: They’re automated, and they preserve the agency’s limited personnel resources. But they also mostly fall on taxpayers who can’t afford to fight back by spending hours on the phone with the tax agency or hiring lawyers.
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Aug 8, 2022 00:13
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https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1556266279140528128
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Aug 8, 2022 00:14
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that thing you highlighted doesnt really answer the question
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Aug 8, 2022 00:15
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A Bakers Cousin posted:that thing you highlighted doesnt really answer the question yeah it does
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Aug 8, 2022 00:16
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again they had resources but chose to use them a certain way
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Aug 8, 2022 00:18
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I have yet to see any reason why they would change their current behavior. It's a stupid thing to be excited about and it certainly doesn't have poo poo all to do with lowering inflation in any meaningful sense. It's not going to stop landlords from raising rents or oil companies from arbitrarily raising prices for higher profits and it certainly doesn't do poo poo to slow down climate change. LOL the article you linked isn't even a pinky promise to do anything. It's an excuse for the choices the agency arbitrarily made to go after the poor.
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Aug 8, 2022 00:18
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:yeah it does imagine if you could target your automated audits at the rich. alas, e: and yeah there is no enforcement clause for the new funding, lol
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Aug 8, 2022 00:23
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we're committed to carbon zero
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Aug 8, 2022 00:25
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A Bakers Cousin posted:again they had resources but chose to use them a certain way I think a bigger part of not going after rich people is the odds of them affording lawyers to gum up the system compared to going after some schmuck for forgetting to include a form or misrepresenting the square footage of their home office. When your budget is only so big, playing games in court gets expensive. Either way, more people are going to be getting audited soon. But I doubt Elon catches a case.
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Aug 8, 2022 00:28
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The United States, in pushing for unlimited oil exploitation coupled with more intensive general resource extraction, is more committed to carbon zero than anyone else with their wishy-washy actions about maybe not growing as fast. Our great nation's mission is to see humanity's emissions stop more quickly than anyone else on Earth!
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Aug 8, 2022 00:29
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biceps crimes posted:EVs are a new toy for the booj to masturbate with while the planet burns
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Aug 8, 2022 00:30
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I would believe that the US government was committed to lowering emissions if they took any of that money and funded high speed train corridors and mass transit in cities instead of the sad loving pittance cities have to fight for now. Instead we need to buy more weapons to influence wars.
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Aug 8, 2022 00:32
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silicone thrills posted:I would believe that the US government was committed to lowering emissions if they took any of that money and funded high speed train corridors and mass transit in cities instead of the sad loving pittance cities have to fight for now. The joke is that the more we emit now the harder and faster emissions will fall to zero in the end.
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Aug 8, 2022 00:36
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Pryor on Fire posted:The movement is indeed stronger and more organized than its ever been, and we are only going to make bigger strides in the years to come. We have the momentum, we have the people power, and we have truth and justice on our side. lmao
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Aug 8, 2022 00:38
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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abo0038quote:Knowledge overconfidence is associated with anti-consensus views on controversial scientific issues
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Aug 8, 2022 00:41
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they asked a bunch of extremely online Turks and suddenly it’s gospel
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Aug 8, 2022 00:45
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https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/1555941261814554624
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Aug 8, 2022 00:49
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‘get er done’ -bill gates
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Aug 8, 2022 00:51
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I wonder what who Tesla will sell all those sweet sweet tax credits to
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Aug 8, 2022 00:51
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A Bakers Cousin posted:again they had resources but chose to use them a certain way My cousin used to work for the IRS. Here's the gist of it: the reason IRS enforcement actions overwhelmingly affect "normal" people today is that normal people have relatively straightforward taxes, and tend to make similar mistakes or cheat on their taxes in predictable ways that are easy to detect, which means tax actions on them (cross-checks, audits and collection) can be, and have been, almost fully automated. In contrast, the IRS does not have the resources to go after high earners because those people can employ armies of accountants and lawyers to make audits very costly for the IRS. Automating those doesn't work either because every case is very different and very complex. That's not to say that this bill is some sort of silver bullet. But it will do a lot of good.
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Aug 8, 2022 00:52
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I think everyone gets how the IRS works, what we are saying is that if the IRS did actually start going after rich people even a little bit it would be the first time any agency at any level of the government has made the tiniest step in this direction (against the interests/money of rich people) in like 40 years so it would basically be an unprecedented magical miracle that flies in the face of all history and Democrat/GOP wishes if that actually happened. It will not happen What is much more likely is that the GOP takes control, increases the 80,000 IRS agents to 500,000 IRS agents and gives them body armor, MRAPs, and grenade launchers and demands that they go door to door and conduct "lifestyle inspections" of anyone who claimed no income, drug test them all, and deport any immigrants while they are at it. They'll call it the "freeloader extermination act" or some poo poo and the Democrats will allow this by compromising the number down to 450,000 agents. Something like this is 10x more likely than a single additional rich person getting audited, ever. Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Aug 8, 2022 |
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Aug 8, 2022 00:57
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they’ll go after richer folks, its not like any irs schmuck cares. its just rosey eyed thinking theyre gonna not use more funding for easy returns vs. harder returns. if the funding specified what it was to be used for, specifically, it’d be more impressive. in the end this is all for crap i dont care about lol
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Aug 8, 2022 01:46
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