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VictualSquid posted:I thought mp3 cds and their dedicated players were outdated and failed, but there was one for sale at aldi today: Most cheap players use the same hyper-commoditized components, and I guess the standard CD playback chips also support decoding MP3 and other formats, because why not? It's just a bit of standardized code that costs nothing and you've got enough processing power anyway. Everything is built down to an extremely low cost, so there is a lot of unexpected standardization.
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KozmoNaut posted:Most cheap players use the same hyper-commoditized components, and I guess the standard CD playback chips also support decoding MP3 and other formats, because why not? It's just a bit of standardized code that costs nothing and you've got enough processing power anyway. It also appears to come with a couple of low-power good books, good foods, exotic musics cum dances, and, of course, tender embraces.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:exotic musics cum dances don’t post jenkka here e: or humppa
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rndmnmbr posted:On the whole? Nah. Collectors and historians can keep the CRTs. Old games on LCDs doesn't bother me enough to trade all the advantages of modern screens for a heavy brick of a monitor. Even if I dearly miss degaussing my screen. I'm with you. I'm 40 and moved a 36" TV with one hand today, because it's lighter than most picture frames the same size. CRTs were good tech, but size and weight are considerations and you can pry my OLED from my cold, dead hands.
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Aug 8, 2022 16:07
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DesperateDan posted:she had to give up on having a cassette deck on it too I did that for my mom when she had to replace her radio-cassette-clock in the kitchen with a new one that did not have a player, now she can listen to Christmas music on her iPod and so on.
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Nocheez posted:I'm with you. I'm 40 and moved a 36" TV with one hand today, because it's lighter than most picture frames the same size. CRTs were good tech, but size and weight are considerations and you can pry my OLED from my cold, dead hands. My only reason for wanting to keep a CRT is for light gun games, and my 19" covers that need quite well. Beyond that, modern screens 4lyfe
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Explosionface posted:Beyond that, modern screens 4lyfe titties posted:32" Trinitron 4 lyfe (because it can't be moved out)
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Explosionface posted:My only reason for wanting to keep a CRT is for light gun games, and my 19" covers that need quite well. Beyond that, modern screens 4lyfe Have you tried VR shooter games? My favorite game for many years was Time Crisis 2, but the VR scene is amazing for shooters.
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The Sinden lightgun was made to work with LCDs and just came out recently (well, it's shipping soon and there's been review units out). It's on indiegogo and not cheap but by all accounts works great for retro titles. https://sindenlightgun.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hduEzZdm95Y
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Somebody explain to me, in words like you would use for a tech unsavvy person, why LCDs don't work with lightguns?
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Aug 8, 2022 23:16
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cause they are designed to work with CRTs is the two cents answer. they're basically a light sensitive camera that takes a picture of what you're pointing at and reports back what you hit and were reliant on instantaneous response time and i think some other thing, my brain is saying scanlines but it's been a minute. they don't work at all on LCDs, although technologies like motion controls try to emulate the experience and various solutions have been pitched to it.
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Kwyndig posted:Somebody explain to me, in words like you would use for a tech unsavvy person, why LCDs don't work with lightguns? they do work, people just be lying.
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I think it's a combination of CRTs being very bright and also near instantaneous. So it wouldn't work for old LCDs because they were dim and laggy. Maybe it's possible with modern LCDs, idk.
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https://www.kotaku.com.au/2019/01/soon-youll-be-able-to-play-duck-hunt-on-modern-tvs/
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nope on the response time/latency thing, we're probably never reaching that with LCDs if i understand the technology. think of it like this: you pull the trigger on your light gun. simultaneously the game needs to tell the console to display whatever image or colour or whatever it needs to know what you hit, take a "picture", send confirmation back to the console that you've hit or not hit and go from there. iirc even a tiny amount of latency fucks this completely and renders the guns useless. i also wanna say it has something to do with scanlines tho
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CoolCab posted:nope on the response time/latency thing, we're probably never reaching that with LCDs if i understand the technology. Iirc scanlines is at least how light pens work. Because the 'image' is a single continuous line being drawn and wrapped back around, the computer can know the exact position of where that line is at any given point in time, and from that information determine the position the light pen is relative to the screen and turn that into an input.
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Some info from that article.quote:When the trigger is pulled while playing Duck Hunt, Hogan’s Alley, or any of the handful of Zapper-compatible games, the television screen goes black for a single frame. Then, any viable targets on the screen appear as white boxes for another frame, before the game goes back to rendering as normal. If the Zapper detects the white boxes within the center of its sensor array, it registers a hit.
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there were a whole bunch of different implementations, basically. the earliest NES zapper games ie duck hunt famously only looked for white light so you could max brightness or point at a light source and always hit, but that was a very very primitive implementation compared to the more sophisticated ones later, your Time Crisis and similar. i want to say that's how scanlines come into it - some implementations use it to determine your hit location and some don't, but i could be totally wrong.
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Thanks all of you, I think I understand it but not why 3rd party consoles don't work. It's it just that's how they built it or is there a flaw in emulators?
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Rexxed posted:The Sinden lightgun was made to work with LCDs and just came out recently (well, it's shipping soon and there's been review units out). It's on indiegogo and not cheap but by all accounts works great for retro titles. I have had two Sinden lightguns since 2020, and I don't think I would recommend it. The software for it is pretty poor and has been pretty much unchanged in 2 years. You will have to extensively fiddle with the Sinden software, and whatever emulator you want to use.
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Prior to the NES nintendo spent about a decade making lightgun skeet shooting systems and arcade cabinets like wild gunman. Those systems used a projector and the targets would lit up against a black background. When you pulled the trigger the gun would detect light and determine if you were on target. Black meant miss, light meant hit. Due to the technology pointing at any bright light and pulling the trigger scored as a hit. The NES was actually designed to prevent cheating. When you pull the trigger the entire screen is switched to black for 1 frame and then the picture returns but with white boxes drawn over the target areas for 1 frame. So the gun actually looks for 1 frame of black and then 1 frame of white to determine a hit which is reliant on the timing a crt tv. My guess is the NES compatible gun in the article is using some method of tracking the hits using modern electronic guts and spoofing the signal sent to the NES from an original zapper to allow it to work. My guess is that nes clones have just enough different circuitry that they interpret the signals faster or slower than an original NES which causes them to not work with whatever system they came up with.
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NyetscapeNavigator posted:I have had two Sinden lightguns since 2020, and I don't think I would recommend it. The software for it is pretty poor and has been pretty much unchanged in 2 years. You will have to extensively fiddle with the Sinden software, and whatever emulator you want to use. That sucks, guess I'll hang onto the crts I have in case I ever want to use my lightgun I gave away with my NES.
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I have one too on my PC, it does work but there is a rather obtuse interface layout to setup so its not exactly plug and play. You'll probably fiddle with it everytime you use it. It has software and firmware updates and help can be found on its discord but it would benefit from a setup wizard and some QOL improvements. A point of note is I can't use it on my TV without the crosshair darting all over so I use it with my monitor - so results may vary. I'd have look at the wiki as part of your decision to see what I mean about all that setup. https://sindenlightgun.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page I'd still recommend it if you do plan on using it a lot and can get to grips with the interface. It's interesting how it works, at its basic description it is a mouse pointer that uses a camera in the barrel to recognise the edges of the screen/boarder where the gamefield is and thus can figure out where it should be located on the screen. However this can mean that when you are trying to configure it, one moment you are pointing the gun at the screen and then you want to use your mouse and so your cursor goes all over the place if you don't put the gun down.
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NyetscapeNavigator posted:I have had two Sinden lightguns since 2020, and I don't think I would recommend it. The software for it is pretty poor and has been pretty much unchanged in 2 years. You will have to extensively fiddle with the Sinden software, and whatever emulator you want to use. I have a pair that I got earlier this year. The software is a little janky, but it is usable. The Sinden Launcher helps a lot with the emu set up. Functionally, they work pretty well. I even built the R Pi project that lets you use them with a PS2 and that works well enough, though I do feel like there is a small amount of lag on a PS2 when using 2 guns (I don't think the R Pi 4 has enough horsepower to run 2 instances of the image processing software at one time at 100% speed). The build quality is good. Accuracy is good. The community support is decent and it works with practically anything. All in all, I am pretty happy with them.
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It's beautiful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvr9AMWEU-c
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Humphreys posted:It's beautiful I'm visually phreaking your phone
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DACK FAYDEN posted:You should get her a USB-capable cassette player so she can rip them to MP3 and then burn them to a CD! Be careful with these, they looove to munch tapes. I also find the sound output to be.. Not so good. But that's probably not a huge issue in this case.
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One Man Crowd posted:Be careful with these, they looove to munch tapes. If you can find a decent enough used boombox, just run an aux cable from the headphone jack to the microphone jack on your PC and go to town 
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One Man Crowd posted:Be careful with these, they looove to munch tapes. the sound quality will be godawful, sec i posted about it before CoolCab posted:
no one makes good ones anymore so anything new outside of crazy sitting-in-a-warehouse-for-30-years new old stock is crap.
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Re: lightgun games: considering that my interest in light gun games will consist of a single afternoon of nostalgia every three to four years for the rest of my life, it's just not feasible for me to make any attempt to play them again. I got plenty of other things to be nostalgic for that make more sense to involve time, money, and effort.One Man Crowd posted:I also find the sound output to be.. Not so good. But that's probably not a huge issue in this case. Garbage in, garbage out.
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rndmnmbr posted:Garbage in, garbage out. I guess this is a crack about cassette tapes being bad, but I've watched enough Techmoan to learn that they can sound okay if you have something made back in the day when they cared about quality and not the stuff still in production that uses trash cassette mechanisms manufactured at the one factory that still makes them.
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BattleMaster posted:I guess this is a crack about cassette tapes being bad, but I've watched enough Techmoan to learn that they can sound okay if you have something made back in the day when they cared about quality and not the stuff still in production that uses trash cassette mechanisms manufactured at the one factory that still makes them. Techmoan's and my own experience vary dramatically. Tapes for me were either the highest quality blanks I could afford as a jobless early teenager, and chock full of bad radio recordings - it made me so furious the DJ talked over the opening of every song, until I realized that was the whole point, to prevent the listeners from getting a good recording - or something played in a mid-70's land barge with all the attendant rattles and air leaks, rotten speakers and a badly wired cheap head unit by yours truly, tapes tossed on the dash instead of put away. Could you get quality sound from tapes? Sure. Did I? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck no.
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All my tapes are harsh noise anyway.
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I just don't get the appeal of tapes. It's not all that easy to get a good tape player, and even if you do, you probably have to disassemble it and replace the tiny little belts. Maybe it's because I had tapes when I was a kid, so it's not a novelty for me. There's nothing I enjoy about the sound of tape. Opposed to vinyl where the pops and crackles are not unbearable to listen to and it give some character to the audio, vs tape hiss. And you can get a decent record player, and if you have to replace a belt, it's not woven through a bunch of bits and bobs, it's just a spindle and then the wheel of the platter. If I want good quality, I can listen to a CD or stream it. If I want to have a different experience of interacting with music, I can put on a record.
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Cojawfee posted:I just don't get the appeal of tapes. It's not all that easy to get a good tape player, and even if you do, you probably have to disassemble it and replace the tiny little belts. Maybe it's because I had tapes when I was a kid, so it's not a novelty for me. There's nothing I enjoy about the sound of tape. Opposed to vinyl where the pops and crackles are not unbearable to listen to and it give some character to the audio, vs tape hiss. And you can get a decent record player, and if you have to replace a belt, it's not woven through a bunch of bits and bobs, it's just a spindle and then the wheel of the platter. If I want good quality, I can listen to a CD or stream it. If I want to have a different experience of interacting with music, I can put on a record. I prefer tapes over CDs in a vehicle... so I'm pretty happy to have a tape deck in my pickup.
I only owned one tape in college: Dark Side of the Moon. It just stayed in the car at all times; beats listening to the radio. Edit: remember those stupid CD holders people would put on their sun visors? I swear I never saw anybody pull a CD out of one without fumbling it onto the floor and adding to the scratches. Pham Nuwen has a new favorite as of 06:50 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Minicassete tapes have the second best handfeel of any music medium, behind the ker-thunk of the eight-track. Plus they represent a punk period of time when nearly everyone had the easy ability to dub, mix, steal, and distribute music, but before digital distribution took all the physical processes that form strong memories out of the equation.
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Shitstorm Trooper posted:All my tapes are harsh noise anyway. Clap clap clap.
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