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nine-gear crow posted:We've had the Dark Brandon and Dark Manchin arcs. Now it's time for the Dark Merrick arc! Over the past few weeks, we've had sudden movement out of nowhere on both Trump and the Breonna Taylor case. Before that, not a single peep from the DOJ. I'm wondering if this is how Garland runs the DOJ. Despite all of the yelling and criticism, nobody responds or hints at anything until BOOM everything is suddenly in motion.
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Fifteen of Many posted:Boo, Maggie saying this is for the boring crime where he stole the 15 boxes of records. Whatever puts that fucker in cuffs is fine with me
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Aug 9, 2022 00:42
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The whole live statement has the energy of King Orange Shouty Man yelling at the lowly constables: "It's very unfair! I told the FBI officer that he wasn't allowed to search my safe, which has evidence of all my crimes, (my perfect, wonderful crimes because I am the 45th President of the United States and the election was RIGGED and FALSE and then they took the evidence of my crimes from my safe after all this, despite me telling them they weren't allowed to take it. No president has ever been so persecuted after winning two elections!"
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Fifteen of Many posted:Boo, Maggie saying this is for the boring crime where he stole the 15 boxes of records. nine-gear crow posted:I'm gonna LOL so hard if this was a raid for some other completely unrelated crime that the FBI was and the DOJ was working on nailing Trump for and has nothing to do with J6. Caaaaaaaalled it 
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evilweasel posted:trump has publicly tweeted more legally damaging things than most people who lose lawsuits have in private emails This was personally one of the more infuriating parts of the Trump presidency early on before I finally went numb
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volts5000 posted:Over the past few weeks, we've had sudden movement out of nowhere on both Trump and the Breonna Taylor case. Before that, not a single peep from the DOJ. I'm wondering if this is how Garland runs the DOJ. Despite all of the yelling and criticism, nobody responds or hints at anything until BOOM everything is suddenly in motion. That is generally how the DOJ always operates. There are some notable exceptions, but they're known for taking a long time to methodically build a case and not moving until everything is wrapped up with a bow. It's a big part of why the conviction rate in federal court is like 95%+.
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tokyo reject posted:This was personally one of the more infuriating parts of the Trump presidency early on before I finally went numb Wasn't the tipping point where one reporter (forgot name) posted a tweet that said something like "I've been working on this story for weeks, and he just... goes out and tweets all about it?"
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SirFozzie posted:Wasn't the tipping point where one reporter (forgot name) posted a tweet that said something like "I've been working on this story for weeks, and he just... goes out and tweets all about it?" If I remember correctly that was actually Don jr
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Ok but this all hinges on the idea that the NYT is correct on something. Also https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1556796851831054336
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volts5000 posted:Over the past few weeks, we've had sudden movement out of nowhere on both Trump and the Breonna Taylor case. Before that, not a single peep from the DOJ. I'm wondering if this is how Garland runs the DOJ. Despite all of the yelling and criticism, nobody responds or hints at anything until BOOM everything is suddenly in motion. I legit forget Merrick garlands real sometimes unlike the trump administration where the undersecretary of public lands or whatever was in the news every other week
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Jarmak posted:That is generally how the DOJ always operates. There are some notable exceptions, but they're known for taking a long time to methodically build a case and not moving until everything is wrapped up with a bow. It's a big part of why the conviction rate in federal court is like 95%+. Yeah, but I always remember some things being made public like interviews with witnesses, press releases, minor updates of ongoing cases, etc. Basically, little things that keep the press speculating for whatever reason. "So and so talked to DOJ officials today." I know, ideally, it's supposed to be "nothing...nothing...nothing...BAM something!" This feels different for some reason.
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Comon baby https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080
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Professor Beetus posted:Yes, I am familiar with cpt_obvious's body of work, but I am legitimately curious as to what they (or anyone else in the thread, really) would think an effective measure to prevent that specific gouging would look like. I'm late due to an FBI raid. My understanding is that the largest long-term headwind for the purchase of EVs is not the cost of the car, which was expected to drop to parity with ICE cars by ~2025 anyway, but the paucity of places to charge and the limited range. Most EVs are something like 250 miles range, whereas buyers want 330 miles. Apparently we can't just add more batteries to the cars because of the increased cost and the increased weight. That line of reasoning would suggest the best way to prevent price gouging on EVs as a result of a subsidy would be to not offer that subsidy and instead build charging stations all over. $4.5 billion would buy a lot of charging stations. Maybe that is also in the bill, I dunno, I checked out when I found out it wasn't going to do anything for me or require anything of me.
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Fifteen of Many posted:Boo, Maggie saying this is for the boring crime where he stole the 15 boxes of records. i do not believe the DOJ signed off on a raid of mar-a-lago based solely on the suspicion perhaps he didn't return all the documents i can entirely believe that whatever caused him to try to keep those 15 boxes of records was related to a crime and they're looking for whatever he took out of those boxes or destroyed. but i don't believe the DOJ signs off on asking for a warrant, a magistrate judge signs a warrant, for the home of a former president, for something they don't believe is going to lead to real charges. failing to return documents that aren't evidence of another crime isn't that. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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I could be convinced to overlook a lot of issues I have with the Biden administration if they manage to bar Trump from running on legal grounds. I’ve learned by now not to get my hopes up prematurely. But it really does seem impossible Biden, Garland and Co. wouldn’t be aware this would *immediately* mobilize the CHUDs and RWM machine, and just go ahead and pull the trigger anyways without knowing they have something meaningful. Especially with how timid and measured the administration usually is about rocking the boat. I liked what a poster above speculated in conjunction with that Popehat thread about the warrants. If the warrant got served because Trump had boxes of classified state secrets, I could 100% see him having sold said state secrets to foreign actors for direct personal gain. It just seems like the kind of idea Trump would love. Man, if that was the thing he finally got busted for… Just plain as day proof he was selling missile plans or something crazy to like Saudi Arabia or Russia.
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volts5000 posted:Over the past few weeks, we've had sudden movement out of nowhere on both Trump and the Breonna Taylor case. Before that, not a single peep from the DOJ. I'm wondering if this is how Garland runs the DOJ. Despite all of the yelling and criticism, nobody responds or hints at anything until BOOM everything is suddenly in motion. This is how the FBI works, usually. The reason they have an absurd like 98% successful prosecution rate or something like that is because they keep utterly silent while cataloguing all the crimes done and then just nail the perp once a critical mass of data has been achieved to charge with crimes. All that being said, in this case it might not be the DoJ that has necessarily done this as much as a section of the FBI took matters into their own hands with the intent to try and retrieve the stolen documents, assuming classified data was stolen. So that's a thing too. If that's the case that doesn't mean charges are guaranteed to be forthcoming since Garland is the primary roadblock there. Archonex fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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I don’t think this matters. Whatever the DOJ think they have is just going to get challenged and held up in court until Trump gets sworn in for his next term and then has the cover of the office, and pardons himself just to be doubly sure.
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TyrantWD posted:I don’t think this matters. Whatever the DOJ think they have is just going to get challenged and held up in court until Trump gets sworn in for his next term and then has the cover of the office, and pardons himself just to be doubly sure. I was worried then I saw the red text
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TyrantWD posted:I don’t think this matters. Whatever the DOJ think they have is just going to get challenged and held up in court until Trump gets sworn in for his next term and then has the cover of the office, and pardons himself just to be doubly sure. Up until literally a few hours ago I think being confident Trump would never be seriously investigated or charged with anything was the most reasonable position to have (which is why I had it). This should absolutely affect your priors, this is a big deal and definitely matters, and is definitely way too early to be certain of any specific outcome
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They nailed Al Capone for tax evasion despite his more obvious and very serious crimes. I wouldn’t be surprised if a similar situation develops for Trump. However I’ll reserve my optimism until more info comes up.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Literally none of this is true. The crash happened because GM and Chrysler were heavily invested in trucks and SUVs, which have higher profit margins and were in high demand during the mid-2000s. The economic crash combined with skyrocketing gas prices absolutely cratered demand, which is why those companies had to beg for money from the government. Notably Ford, which was not as heavily over-leveraged, did not have to take money to prevent bankruptcy (though they did take some to shore up their pension/healthcare plans IIRC) I would adjust that summary a bit. Ford were already in bad shape in 2007 even before the Great Financial Crisis kicked in. They had borrowed everything they could (and even put the rights to the blue oval Ford logo up as collateral) because they were in the middle of a desperate turnaround plan. They unintentionally lucked out that their Hail Mary effort under Mulally was already under way and got funded during an easy credit market. GM and Chrysler were in bad shape, but just not bad enough until the credit market completely dried up.
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This is in the replies, don’t know if it’s correct: https://twitter.com/milwaukeebonds/status/1556809434885677065?s=21&t=8wo7B2l_fGjrMwvqqQuHXg
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Kraftwerk posted:They nailed Al Capone for tax evasion despite his more obvious and very serious crimes. I wouldn’t be surprised if a similar situation develops for Trump. However I’ll reserve my optimism until more info comes up. Yeah, this is another textbook "be happy that it happened, but don't actually celebrate until Trump is in hand cuffs and behind bars" moments we've all gotten used to over the past 6 years.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, this is another textbook "be happy that it happened, but don't actually celebrate until Trump is in hand cuffs and behind bars" moments we've all gotten used to over the past 6 years. This is more than the DOJ/FBI ever did during watergate
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https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1556785377008123907?s=21&t=dPwd_Yp1htzhueu_f94-eA https://twitter.com/cbenavidestv/status/1556802919919505408?s=21&t=dPwd_Yp1htzhueu_f94-ea Lol at the cameraman yelling gently caress trump only for a harpy to screech back Edit: apparently cameras can yell whoops Spiffster fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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I shouldn’t be surprised, but seeing these Mar-A-Lago pictures really drives home how *gauche* it is. Like just incredibly tasteless, totally gross.
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After hearing how upset the CHUDs got, it really got through to me that this is actually something. Yeah, this is what normally happens, but their big special boy is not supposed to be treated normally. What's even the point of being a special boy if you can still have a warrant executed against you, or have your house raided, things seized, etc.?
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SirFozzie posted:The whole live statement has the energy of King Orange Shouty Man yelling at the lowly constables: Democrrrrrracy maaaaanifest
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Fifteen of Many posted:This feels like it’s dangerously close to a mattering. It's really inspiring to witness such a historic event being highlighted by a generationally-whiny little bitch.
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Pubbies having a completely normal one. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1556818400227119104/photo/1 "We hate sanctuary cities! We love Sanctuary States!"
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evilweasel posted:i do not believe the DOJ signed off on a raid of mar-a-lago based solely on the suspicion perhaps he didn't return all the documents Yeah, this is where I'm at. There is not a chance in hell they do this without running it past Biden. There is also not a chance in hell Garland and Biden approves this unless they were confident that they were going to get something enormous.
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Rigel posted:Yeah, this is where I'm at. There is not a chance in hell they do this without running it past Biden. There is also not a chance in hell Garland and Biden approves this unless they were confident that they were going to get something enormous. Yeah this makes sense, but I keep wondering who told them the documents were there, would be there today, and (apparently some of them at least) were in the safe.
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It seems like there's is information the public does not have. Basically https://twitter.com/LegalEagle/status/1556823463628865537
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Rigel posted:Yeah, this is where I'm at. There is not a chance in hell they do this without running it past Biden. There is also not a chance in hell Garland and Biden approves this unless they were confident that they were going to get something enormous. This is what I've been hearing people say about the raid but I mean isn't being in possession of government documents ( especially classified documents) and not submitting them to the national archives in of itself a crime? Like is that enough to conduct a search warrant? Or is it one of those things that yes technically it's illegal but since it's a former president in possession of them, in his residence, that the DOJ wouldn't do anything about it unless they were connected to some bigger crime?
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AhhYes posted:Yeah this makes sense, but I keep wondering who told them the documents were there, would be there today, and (apparently some of them at least) were in the safe. popehat is speculating (which makes sense) there there could be some kind of co-conspirator who Trump trusts that is working with the FBI. I can't think of any other way they could know for absolute drat sure that whatever they wanted is in Trump's safe. Charliegrs posted:This is what I've been hearing people say about the raid but I mean isn't being in possession of government documents ( especially classified documents) and not submitting them to the national archives in of itself a crime? Like is that enough to conduct a search warrant? Or is it one of those things that yes technically it's illegal but since it's a former president in possession of them, in his residence, that the DOJ wouldn't do anything about it unless they were connected to some bigger crime? A lot of serious people are saying that there's got to be something big, like not only did Trump take secret documents but he's also offering to give or sell them away to adversaries, or something else similarly serious, on that level. Rigel fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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AhhYes posted:Yeah this makes sense, but I keep wondering who told them the documents were there, would be there today, and (apparently some of them at least) were in the safe. I was listening to CNN a few hours ago and they said apparently DOJ agents were at Mar A Lago for discussions with Trump's lawyers recent. Apparently Trump even popped in to say hi but didn't answer any questions and then left. Anyway, the lawyers actually showed the DOJ agents where the documents were being stored in the Mar A Lago basement. Why they showed them I have no idea but apparently it wasn't secured very well so the DOJ asked them to lock it down more which they did with a padlock.
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Charliegrs posted:I was listening to CNN a few hours ago and they said apparently DOJ agents were at Mar A Lago for discussions with Trump's lawyers recent. Apparently Trump even popped in to say hi but didn't answer any questions and then left. Anyway, the lawyers actually showed the DOJ agents where the documents were being stored in the Mar A Lago basement. Why they showed them I have no idea but apparently it wasn't secured very well so the DOJ asked them to lock it down more which they did with a padlock. His lawyers: we loving hate him too ok.
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