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yeah i think you're right. sub in "white people diseases" instead crazy how a drop of at least 50 million in the 16th century doesn't even really put a dent in global population graphs though
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Didn't syphilis travel the other way? Nope, it was in Europe as far back as 1320. Article
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i say swears online posted:no matter precolombian societal disintegration, i think transmissable diseases did 90% of the work, and i think some US scholarship of precolombian cultures is biased to perpetuate an idea of open wilderness for settlement that stuff is older than the US - we can look at maps from the 1600s, and maps intended for consumption by Europeans in Europe show at most rivers and mountains, while maps intended for Europeans in the Americas are absolutely thick with knowledge about the people who lived there, like this from 1632  the claims that the americas were just land for the taking by europeans was not scientific ignorance but political advocacy
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Tulip posted:that stuff is older than the US - we can look at maps from the 1600s, and maps intended for consumption by Europeans in Europe show at most rivers and mountains, while maps intended for Europeans in the Americas are absolutely thick with knowledge about the people who lived there, like this from 1632 good post ty
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Tulip posted:that stuff is older than the US - we can look at maps from the 1600s, and maps intended for consumption by Europeans in Europe show at most rivers and mountains, while maps intended for Europeans in the Americas are absolutely thick with knowledge about the people who lived there, like this from 1632
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Speleothing posted:Zero academic rigor? Audiobook obviously. Ornamental Dingbat posted:Nope, it was in Europe as far back as 1320. Which could be explained by either Norse or Basque contact. It's an open question afaik.
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Nope, it was in Europe as far back as 1320. guess the real vinland saga was the pox we caught along the way
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i kind of feel like a paper titled "A Probable Case of Congenital Syphilis from Pre-Columbian Austria" that catalogues skeletal lesions to a single child's teeth and mouth while noting that such damage could be caused by three different treponematoses, one of which is syphilis, may not be an entire slam dunk on the columbian theory; and perhaps one might wait for confirmation through molecular biological tests and proteomics, like the article posted recommends.
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War and Pieces posted:the other big thing they did was switch from "king/kingdom" to "chief/tribe" Yeah There's a cool thing in Dawn of Everything where its unambiguous that Cortes, not exactly a nice or sensitive man, is at least aware enough to recognize the distinctions between kingdoms, empires, and republics among the groups he encounters, which shows a hell of a lot more respect than my HS textbook would ever give.
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its worth remembering that contrary to popular belief the conquest was more of a political victory than a military one cortes took advantage of preexisting conflict to present himself and his followers as neutrally aligned soldiers of fortune it didnt occur to anyone that there were more white people where he came from who could take advantage of the postwar chaos period to enslave them even worse than the aztecs did our history books dont like going over this angle because it makes the conquistadors look less like incredible manly warriors with gigantic penises and more like duplicitous liars who owe their success entirely to the abuse of diplomatic privilege
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submitting MA house bill 253 that Elizabeth Johnson Jr WAS a witch and that that’s totally badass actually.
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Didn't syphilis travel the other way? no https://twitter.com/MPI_SHH/status/1271005580933595139?t=ZreOju4efJFkZ5NTW-9yhw&s=19 https://twitter.com/monicaMedHist/status/1272866528245936128?t=Jg0TfzMX2aFJL3h5bgr1gg&s=19 https://twitter.com/some_wise/status/1547583602421932036?t=gGpy2vuGKfsqsFnq6UoYfA&s=19
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Some Guy TT posted:its worth remembering that contrary to popular belief the conquest was more of a political victory than a military one cortes took advantage of preexisting conflict to present himself and his followers as neutrally aligned soldiers of fortune it didnt occur to anyone that there were more white people where he came from who could take advantage of the postwar chaos period to enslave them even worse than the aztecs did It's actually even more awkward than that, since the Spanish did honor a fair number of their diplomatic agreements, most famously with Tlaxcala but also with Totonacs, even well post-conquest. "The Spanish didn't win by their own hand, AND they had some diplomatic honor about it" isn't convenient at all.
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twoday posted:no Those are all about yaws or drawings of pig men. Yaws is not syphilis and is generally thought to have originated in Africa.
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If I had been a 17th century general I would have just given every soldier a weapon with a built-in pistol. The pike formations clash and you were expecting a horrifying scrum like the Battle of Rocroi in the last scene of Alatriste? Surprise, all my men's pikes shoot a bullet into the other guys and their front rank evaporates instantly.
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oops turns out the design is so dumb you can only afford six and are annihilated
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I would have just grinded repeatable side missions until I could equip my entire army before advancing the main story. 
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i say swears online posted:oops turns out the design is so dumb you can only afford six and are annihilated
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A Buttery Pastry posted:i feel like if you were gonna use any modernish thing, it'd be like frag grenades. just lob a bunch of them into the opposing regiment and shatter their formation. even by ~1600 closing within 30 yards for a grenade would have been deadly. i think with your intent you'd be looking at grapeshot. grenades wouldn't have been as viable in the black powder era either
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the dems defunded the police and set all the witches free smh
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i say swears online posted:even by ~1600 closing within 30 yards for a grenade would have been deadly. i think with your intent you'd be looking at grapeshot. grenades wouldn't have been as viable in the black powder era either alternatively, make molotovs
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massed infantry does not shield each other from artillery with their protective limbs!!
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i say swears online posted:massed infantry does not shield each other from artillery with their protective limbs!!
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hits you with massive gunblade chop, goes for the finishing shot but weapon catastrophically misfires killing me due to damage sustained using it like a ax or sword
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Putting crude fireworks onto the end of lances goes back to the 1200s.
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i say swears online posted:even by ~1600 closing within 30 yards for a grenade would have been deadly. i think with your intent you'd be looking at grapeshot. grenades wouldn't have been as viable in the black powder era either what you gotta do is put the grenade launcher at the end of the 20 foot pike, this already existed in China and was effective enough to earn the insanely badass name "dragon lance"
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iirc that's the ancestors to modern firearms, basically fireworks on sticks you use as melee weapons. you start with these, eventually you start putting shrapnel or whatever on the tip of your bomb stick and hey we've started the long road to a modern firearm
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grenade + sling, the ultimate marriage of modern and classic technology
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Tulip posted:grenade + sling, the ultimate marriage of modern and classic technology this is the founding myth of the IDF
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manually hurling an RPG using an atlatl
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twoday posted:manually hurling an RPG using an atlatl wire-guided boomerang
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A Buttery Pastry posted:i feel like if you were gonna use any modernish thing, it'd be like frag grenades. just lob a bunch of them into the opposing regiment and shatter their formation. they literally started doing this in the back half of the 1600s. basically they took the biggest and strongest dudes and put them in the front to hurl small grenades at the enemy, its where the term grenadier comes from
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Cerebral Bore posted:they literally started doing this in the back half of the 1600s. basically they took the biggest and strongest dudes and put them in the front to hurl small grenades at the enemy, its where the term grenadier comes from
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The Mongols also used grenades and pike formations when they invaded Japan, woulda made Ghosts of Tsushima a lot more interesting imo
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