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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



I got a Lego set today.



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CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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So sick. I wish lego weren’t so pricy other wise I’d be all over that. Love that car so much.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



CelticPredator posted:

So sick. I wish lego weren’t so pricy other wise I’d be all over that. Love that car so much.

It’s $20, it seemed like a pretty fair deal.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
There's a "Creator" Lego Aston Martin that costs a fortune, is huge, and looks pretty ugly.
The "Speed Champions" set is a great idea for a impulse buy/gift/desk toy.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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~Coxy posted:

There's a "Creator" Lego Aston Martin that costs a fortune, is huge, and looks pretty ugly.
The "Speed Champions" set is a great idea for a impulse buy/gift/desk toy.

This is what I was thinking of

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

~Coxy posted:

There's a "Creator" Lego Aston Martin that costs a fortune, is huge, and looks pretty ugly.
The "Speed Champions" set is a great idea for a impulse buy/gift/desk toy.

I have that one, it is huge, but it also has gadgets!

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Bah gawd Q branch has done it again :shepspends:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

gohuskies posted:

Austin Powers really hosed the Bond franchise. So tough to go back and do this stuff after it was satirized that well.

I think they didn't realise that most of the poo poo Austin Powers spoofed was the poo poo that everyone loved about it.

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


I feel like the only person left on earth who doesn’t want to go back to the more campy fantastical Bond stuff. We’ve had the better part of like 20 movies of that poo poo to varying degrees, culminating in some truly awful stuff. Craig’s run was a renaissance for me. I love that they took the opportunity to do something more in line with the character of the books and tell a nice little self contained arc that was tonally very different from bog standard Bond. That was infinitely more compelling to me.

I’ve said it many times but after how high everyone was on Casino Royale after Die Another Day flatlined the franchise, it’s disheartening to me to see people turn on the direction the movies took. It’s like if people were to scream for Batman movies to bring back the nipple suits and stuff instead of being all grim and serious. Like, fair enough I guess, but that’s not what I want out of it personally.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Nah I don’t want that either. I want somewhere in the middle of Craig and early Pierce for the tone. Fun, but can get brutal and dark.

I’m down with a little camp though. Just put it in correctly. Lookin at spectre trying to do Connery gags with Craig.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Adapt the original 1950s setting, cowards.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Yeah I'm not really up for slapstick camp, but would appreciate if the next set of films were a little less about how Bond is a hollow shell and had less pretence that this is a serious meditation on modern intelligence work *backflips out of a helicopter while wrestling Putin, but dejectedly*

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Strategic Tea posted:

Yeah I'm not really up for slapstick camp, but would appreciate if the next set of films were a little less about how Bond is a hollow shell and had less pretence that this is a serious meditation on modern intelligence work *backflips out of a helicopter while wrestling Putin, but dejectedly*

You don't have to go full camp, but the Mission Impossible movies are fun. The Craig movies haven't been since his first outing.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Feels like I'll be 80 years old and the franchise will still be going "but what should James Bond beeeeeee?!"

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

He should be a dude In a nice suit driving a cool car and doing wet work for the queen. Literally all anyone's asked for

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

And if anyone happens to mess with the nice De Beers chaps, well we just don't stand for that either

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

"Now James, Q Branch has managed to devise a time machine, and--"
"And oi'm 'sposed to nix Gandhi ain't I? Let's get it fookin' sorted!"
*peels out in a tricked out CyberTruck with an impossibly sexy cryptocurrency analyst in the passenger seat*

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Lobok posted:

"Now James, Q Branch has managed to devise a time machine, and--"
"And oi'm 'sposed to nix Gandhi ain't I? Let's get it fookin' sorted!"
*peels out in a tricked out CyberTruck with an impossibly sexy cryptocurrency analyst in the passenger seat*

Already better than any craig

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
Craig's Bond was dark because it came out during the Blair/Bush era and things were generally dark. The other big British movie from the year Casino Royale came out was Children of Men.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


live with fruit posted:

Craig's Bond was dark because it came out during the Blair/Bush era and things were generally dark. The other big British movie from the year Casino Royale came out was Children of Men.

Then things got worse

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

live with fruit posted:

Craig's Bond was dark because it came out during the Blair/Bush era and things were generally dark. The other big British movie from the year Casino Royale came out was Children of Men.

Yeah, I totally get why Craig's Bond was the way it was. It also had to do with coming out right after Batman Begins, so it was copying the dark, sliiiiiiiiightly more grounded origin movie.

I'm just also ready for something a bit different.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I'd like to see bond peel off a wetsuit to reveal a full tux and shoes

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

thrawn527 posted:

Yeah, I totally get why Craig's Bond was the way it was. It also had to do with coming out right after Batman Begins, so it was copying the dark, sliiiiiiiiightly more grounded origin movie.

I'm just also ready for something a bit different.

Batman Begins was goofy as hell, though, as was Casino Royale. It's just that every character took the goofiness super seriously, so you bought it too. It's kind of like Prestige is a gigantic sci-fi high concept movie and almost everyone sees it as a serious drama. A lot is just about the movies not joking at themselves. Casino Royale has the absolute dumbest poker put on screen to the level of anything else James Bond does in the old movies (the last hand is like 1st nut vs second nut vs 3rd nut vs 4th nut) and you have Giancarlo and Wright just taking it so seriously explaining how it works to the audience.

The sequels sometimes just took it too far and then actually took themselves seriously too much.

Even License to Kill knew it was goofy - it just rolled with it and let people be brutal in between moments of televangelists who are the secret connection for drug island hamming it up.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Darko posted:

Batman Begins was goofy as hell, though, as was Casino Royale. It's just that every character took the goofiness super seriously, so you bought it too.

I kind of hate this argument. Yes, they’re both somewhat goofy. But no where near as goofy as the movies that came before. And I think you know that, and are trying to make some sort of, “Well, actually,” point.

Batman Begins and Casino Royale were both more serious takes on the characters than what came before. Any, “But Batman Begins has a microwave ray…” post doesn’t change that point at all.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

thrawn527 posted:

I kind of hate this argument. Yes, they’re both somewhat goofy. But no where near as goofy as the movies that came before. And I think you know that, and are trying to make some sort of, “Well, actually,” point.

Batman Begins and Casino Royale were both more serious takes on the characters than what came before. Any, “But Batman Begins has a microwave ray…” post doesn’t change that point at all.

Barman Begins is more silly than Tim Burtons first Batman or Superman 1 or 2 or whatever. Definitely not moreso than Blade or Blade 2 or XMen. You're talking about when a series devolves into *total* camp and then goes back to its core, which happens with a lot of longer running series. Begins starts with a mystical gang of ninjas with an ancient magic planet; its way sillier than a mob with a crazy artist chemical bath taking over mutilating and killing people as a comparison.

James Bond does it multiple times, but it doesn't normally reset to "serious," just to somehwere around Russia With Love/Goldfinger after it gets too stupid instead of going to You Only Live Twice silliness.

The Craig movies didn't get more stupid...they kind of kept a weird par whole making the tone a bit more serious than Casino because rthey kept piling a bunch of emotional stuff on it.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
The premise of Batman Begins might be goofy but Nolan never treats it that way.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Mameluke posted:

I'd like to see bond peel off a wetsuit to reveal a full tux and shoes

I have good news for you about the first level in the acclaimed video game hit 007 Nightfire(tm)!

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

live with fruit posted:

The premise of Batman Begins might be goofy but Nolan never treats it that way.

Playing non serious things seriously often works out the best. Biggest mistake Marvel makes is making a lot of its serious moments jokes to make sure no audience members make fun of it.

Issue with the later Roger Moore era is that the movies stop playing it straight. Even in You Only Live Twice, Bond being made into the most unconvincing Japanese man ever was played entirely straight and it makes it even funnier.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

Darko posted:

Playing non serious things seriously often works out the best. Biggest mistake Marvel makes is making a lot of its serious moments jokes to make sure no audience members make fun of it.

Marvel movies make a lot of jokes because they're supposed to be goofy. Nolan's Batman movies didn't cause they're not.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

Phone double post whoops.

Darko fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 10, 2022

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

live with fruit posted:

Marvel movies make a lot of jokes because they're supposed to be goofy. Nolan's Batman movies didn't cause they're not.

Nolan movies made a ton of jokes (I own the place), they just didn't do it to undercut dramatic scenes or to undercut how goofy things are. Marvel Batman Begins would have Bruce joke about there being a secret ninja conpound as soon as he got there. Then when there was a magic fear flower, he'd joke about that, and so on. There's a thing where the absurd and dramatic is undercut that magnified right around Guardians. Otherwise, they would pretty much be the exact same tone as Begins.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Darko posted:

Begins starts with a mystical gang of ninjas with an ancient magic planet; .

Did I miss this part of the movie or forgot it or something? I remember a gang of ninjas that have been around for centuries (ok pretty implausible but whatever), but don't remember any extraterrestrial adventure

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

I think there's a difference between pulp and camp. I want pulp, I want heightened reality, I want something a little more expressionist rather than drab and "realistic". I want episodic adventure films again. I don't really want another multi film exploration of Bond's character, because he doesn't have one.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

For sure, there are a lot of possible tones, and various nuances on how to play with all the elements.

A good example is John Wick. The first one especially has a tone that seems to resonate with a wide array of people. It can be genuinely sad with the setup and him reflecting on his wife and life etc. It also has a stylized and heightened tone and world that is a little knowingly campy, in a very sharp and pleasing way.

I also love John Wick 2, which does up the humor a bit, and I still like 3 which feels a little less tight and more spectacle-y. Not to say a James Bond movie needs that exact mix or anything.

I would like a James Bond movie to be unrealistic, not aiming for grounded, and not minding having humor and some one liners. While also being genuinely compelling and cool. But that varies for everyone.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Failed Imagineer posted:

Did I miss this part of the movie or forgot it or something? I remember a gang of ninjas that have been around for centuries (ok pretty implausible but whatever), but don't remember any extraterrestrial adventure

Pretty sure Darko meant "plant", not "planet".

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN
The problem with Bond and the 'Bond discourse' is that it's all "Bond is cool, but he's also an rear end in a top hat, but he's cool..." being repeated forever, like it all comes down to whether this one dude smiles or not.

No film goes into particular detail about the workings of MI6, even in the most grittiest gritty-grit versions. After all these decades, we know way more about the bureaucratic structure and day-to-day workings of, say, the fuckin' Avengers Initiative. So that's the area where you can progress the series.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

gently caress that nerd poo poo

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

I just want poo poo like that one scene in, i think it was Quantum, where Bond is casually carrying on conversation with m in the hotel while he flips over the railings and poo poo to avoid the agents she brought with her

I enjoy the goofy stuff and Craig was an interesting new direction, but really what I want out of a bind movie is more poo poo like that and Brosnan straightening his tie after plowing through a brick wall in a tank.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Nolan Batman is Batman with all the silliness of the concept intact, but filmed like it's Heat (especially TDK), which at the time was a very refreshing take. Then other movies were like "let's do that also," namely Bond.

Meanwhile, Nolan with no one to rein him in just tries to create movies-by-equation, so he's trying to prove that you can make, for example, a James Bond movie with all the constituent pieces but no emotive quality, as Nolan can't seem to work that into his mathematical proofs.

Name Change fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Aug 25, 2022

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live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
They should just stick with Lashana Lynch.

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