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Blaziken386
Jun 27, 2013

I'm what the kids call: a big nerd

DKII posted:



I don't know what brought on that animation, but this guy is adorable, can we keep him?
Gumshoe is, in fact, the best character

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achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Lets break into the Gatewater and get more evidence.

It’s what the President would do.

Haar_Dragon
Aug 21, 2015
I mean, it probably won't get us anywhere (i actually don't remember, it's forever since i've played aa1) but ehh, we got what we came for. Why not show Maya that we have her phone and she can't? ...Wait that sounds mean.

And yes, Gumshoe is a treasure and should be treated as such.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

නෝනාවරුනි

Blaziken386 posted:

Gumshoe is, in fact, the best character

:hai:

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Funnily enough, Gumshoe, gum does actually come from trees.

Foxfire_
Nov 8, 2010

Ibblebibble posted:

Funnily enough, Gumshoe, gum does actually come from trees.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 17: Episode 2, Investigation: Two Brick Walls





Off to the hotel! Another location we haven't been to yet.



Finding the room was easy enough, I guess. Maybe we counted windows.

Music: Happy People



Wow, ok. I'm going to skip commenting on that outfit. What's with the hands up in almost a boxer ready position, though?

Umm... hi. (Smooth, Wright, real smooth.)

Focus, dude.



He said, "Don't say nothing to that lawyer, pal!" Tee hee!

(Memo to self: thank Detective Gumshoe for making my job harder.)

Looks like Gumshoe may have out-maneuvered us here. She doesn't seem to be taking it seriously, though.



It's all so exciting I can hardly contain myself!

Ooh! Let me go freshen up so I can look the part of the beautiful eyewitness!

This entire episode has me suspicious of everyone, but so far April May is doing a convincing job of playing an airhead.



Gee, I wonder who that's going to be? :rolleyes:



We're left free to examine the scene. There's an obvious drawer with something sticking out of it; I'll leave that until last.

The flowers are fake, as expected.

I know sunflowers and tulips, but that's about the extent of my floral knowledge.



Flowers and paintings; one of these days they will reveal something useful!

Ah. A still-scene painting. Wait, should that be "still life"?

Whatever. One of those is hanging on the wall.



The late summer sunlight streams through the window.

There's the Fey & Co. Law Offices building, of course.

You can see the inside of the room pretty clearly from here.

I think it would be a little difficult to recognize a face from this distance, though.

Good to know, hard to prove. Not that it matters when the police caught us with Maya at the crime scene anyway.



A simple bed.

It's been recently made. Nothing eye-catching here.



A bottle and two glasses are on the table.

Somebody must be staying with her.

Good information, if we can figure out who "somebody" is at some point.



Okay let's get a look at that drawer now.

(There's a screwdriver stuck in this drawer.)

(I wonder what's inside? Let's take a look...)

Music: Silence





Well the pose is the same but that expression is a bit more maniacal.

Oooh. Bad boy!



You wouldn't want to make me upset, would you?

(Upset!? I thought she was going to explode for a second there!)

(I wonder what could be inside the drawer?)

Music: Happy People



We're actually free to continue examining the room, but that drawer remains inaccessible...

(Hmm... what's inside I wonder?)

*cough* *cough*

(Maybe later...)



Instead, let's see if we can pry more information out of her directly.

Do you think you could tell me something?





I like a man with a big... vocabulary.

(Umm... *gulp* Better not encourage her.)



What did you see when it happened?

I don't suppose you could tell me about it? Pretty please?



If you want to know, you'll just have to come to court tomorrow, Mr. Lawyer!

(Oh boy.)

Yikes. That was a bust.



Maybe we can get her to open up about herself instead?

Um, could you... just who exactly are you?



N-n-no! Hey! I'm just doing my job here!

Tee hee! You know, you're cute when you blush.



Umm... eh heh.

Right... can you just tell me what it is you do?

Well...



(Oh boy.)

Strike two.



April's airhead act is clearly flustering Phoenix, but she's smart enough not to give us anything. I have the feeling we'll have to come back later, but let's keep trying.

I see there are two glasses on the table.

Is someone staying here with you?



You must be one of those famous detectives, like on television!

Oh, no, not me, I'm, er, just a lawyer!



Miss May doesn't like nosey little lawyers... Hmph!

(Oh boy.)

Well talking didn't work.



We've got some evidence, but...



How could I possibly give you any information in good conscience, hmm?

Anything we present just results in these same lines. April is definitely smarter than she's putting on here.



Probably. Definitely probably.



Well, that was pretty short. Let's give Grossberg Law Offices another shot.

Music: Silence



(Well, maybe I should just wait here for him to come back.)

With no other options for this investigation, Phoenix is just going to wait around I guess?



Luckily, we don't have to wait long.

(If that wasn't the most over-the-top clearing of the throat I've ever heard!)



(We get this line even if we haven't been here yet to look for him.)



Hmm...? That badge on your collar...?

Ah, so you're a lawyer, are you now?

Y-yes, well... yes.

And what do you want?

I'm not particularly busy these days... Please, proceed!

He's not busy, so surely he'll take Maya's case on no notice?



That's a good point, too. Maybe everyone in this game is just full of poo poo.

Hmm? Something the matter?



Well, here I am, boy! What do you want? Out with it!

Um... w-well, sir, actually, it's about Maya. Maya Fey.



Well that's not a concerning reaction at all.

Ah... yes. Maya Fey. Go on.



A-cha-cha.

I'm really quite busy here, son.

Didn't you just say you weren't busy?



Maya got arrested last night, it's not like anyone had any notice!

W-wait a second!

How did you know the trial was tomorrow!?

Ooh, good catch!



A-anyway...



What a jerk. He's probably one of those lawyers concerned about win rates and doesn't take loser cases like ours.

(What's going on!? He refused me before I even got a chance to ask him!)

Well, it was kind of obvious what we were going to ask him, wasn't it?

(What do I tell Maya...?)

Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution



Marvin gets his own soundtrack... though the title is somewhat concerning. There's nothing new in the office to examine, so let's just try talking to this guy.



Let's get straight to the point.



Hmm? Eh, ahem! Well, you see it's just... I'm busy, you see!



Hmm... ahem.

Mia trusted you... She knew her sister would be in good hands.



However!

I'm sorry but, I must refuse. Sorry. Good-bye.

Good-bye!? Are we getting kicked out early because I picked the wrong option first?



Fine.



*grumble*... Think not.

Excuse me? Are we about to get locked in here?



Music: Silence



Wh-what do you mean?

I'm terribly, terribly sorry.



Oh, no physical danger, just a citywide (at least) conspiracy.

Terribly sorry, m'boy.

Why!?

I... I cannot say.

...



What the hell is going on with this case?

(What's going on here!?)

Dammit Phoenix is mirroring me again.

Music: Marvin Grossberg ~ Old Age, Regret, Retribution



Apparently we're allowed to keep pestering this guy anyway.



...

She... worked here. A long time ago.

Quite the apprentice, that one.



Did you harp on her about the Court Record all the time?

She left one day, quite suddenly...

She had a mission, you see.

A "mission"?

You could see it in her eyes.





So confused right now. I don't expect this last topic to uncover anything, but here goes...

That's... quite a painting.

Ahah! You noticed!



Geez, man, it's a painting. It's nice, I guess?



Each of these exclamations came with a screen shake. Guy really likes the painting.

It's worth at least three million. I have no intention of parting with it, of course.

No, I won't sell it! Not even to you!

(I wasn't interested...)

It's not for sale!



Spending three million on a painting doesn't seem like a sound business practice. Maybe wealthy clients are more likely to sign on with you if they're impressed with your fancy office?



I tried presenting some evidence...



But got hit with the same brick wall as April. Mr. Grossberg has nothing to say about anything we can show him here.



I realized I'm behind on showing profiles, and what do I discover here but a surprise from a couple updates back. We only heard this guy mentioned briefly by Gumshoe, but apparently he's important enough for his own profile already.



Our totally geniune and not at all creepy witness.



And a rather senior attorney who doesn't seem as shaken up about Mia's death as he should be.



Mia's profile changes slightly to reflect her new status for this case.



Maya likewise has an update as we've discovered more about her.



Anyway, we're out of new locations to visit, and we haven't gotten any new evidence in awhile. I guess we should go tell Maya the bad news?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


DKII posted:

Wow, ok. I'm going to skip commenting on that outfit. What's with the hands up in almost a boxer ready position, though?

It's an anime thing - a cutesy gesture meant to resemble cats (or catgirls) holding up their 'paws'.

Example:

Blaziken386
Jun 27, 2013

I'm what the kids call: a big nerd

Quackles posted:

It's an anime thing - a cutesy gesture meant to resemble cats (or catgirls) holding up their 'paws'.

Example:



achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Strange that my real life cat has never put on that pose.

Haar_Dragon
Aug 21, 2015
...I never actually knew Edgeworth's photo showed up this early. Interesting!

Anyway, yeah, this case in particular makes a hell of a first impression - because let's be real, last case was the tutorial mission. Decent enough, but this one is where the game really wants to grab you. Does a good job too, it seems, seeing as I've never heard anyone say "Oh yeah, I didn't really like 1-2 that much." I didn't even catch all the attention to detail this early in the case my first go-round, it's great!

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
Oh yeah, I didn't really like 1-2 that much.

Regallion
Nov 11, 2012

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Oh yeah, I didn't really like 1-2 that much.

And yet he still haven't HEARD anyone say that.

kvx687
Dec 29, 2009

Soiled Meat
If you think April May is an odd name, you haven't seen anything yet. Ace Attorney loves its punny name and takes them to ridiculous extents. This one is at least something an actual human being might be called, some of the later ones don't reach these lofty heights.

Unrelated fun fact: the very first version of this game was so tightly programmed there wasn't enough space to fit on a physical GBA cart, so the programmers had to cut a number of sprites to squeeze it in. Grossberg here was the hardest hit, he only had two poses available to use. Later rereleases were on more advanced platforms so were able to fit in more character poses but he was kept in the original lack of sprites for whatever reason.

Ultiville
Jan 14, 2005

The law protects no one unless it binds everyone, binds no one unless it protects everyone.

kvx687 posted:

If you think April May is an odd name, you haven't seen anything yet. Ace Attorney loves its punny name and takes them to ridiculous extents. This one is at least something an actual human being might be called, some of the later ones don't reach these lofty heights.

One of my friends had a crush on a girl by that name in late grade school, so something at least one actual human being has been called! (And this was in the early 90s, so not as a game reference.)

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

kvx687 posted:

If you think April May is an odd name, you haven't seen anything yet. Ace Attorney loves its punny name and takes them to ridiculous extents. This one is at least something an actual human being might be called, some of the later ones don't reach these lofty heights.

To be honest, after "Mr. Sahwit" I was expecting worse, but this episode hasn't been bad yet. April May is a bit odd but not really a pun, unless I'm missing some reference to calendars in her personality. Marvin Grossberg is downright normal, as is Maya Fey. Detective Dick Gumshoe is a wonderful double-pun that also doesn't sound out of place as a name. Plus, Gumshoe is awesome and can call himself anything he wants.

Namagem
Feb 14, 2011

The Magic Of Friendship

DKII posted:

To be honest, after "Mr. Sahwit" I was expecting worse, but this episode hasn't been bad yet. April May is a bit odd but not really a pun, unless I'm missing some reference to calendars in her personality. Marvin Grossberg is downright normal, as is Maya Fey. Detective Dick Gumshoe is a wonderful double-pun that also doesn't sound out of place as a name. Plus, Gumshoe is awesome and can call himself anything he wants.

I think the pun is on "April showers bring may flowers", and is meant to represent her, uh, erratic shifts between lovely and abrasive.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Grossberg's name is meant to emphasise he's A Big Deal, it's German for "big mountain". Mia and Maya's surname straight-up means having supernatural powers or being clairvoyant.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Also, Grossberg is a big, fat man. A gross iceberg if you would.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

anilEhilated posted:

Grossberg's name is meant to emphasise he's A Big Deal, it's German for "big mountain". Mia and Maya's surname straight-up means having supernatural powers or being clairvoyant.

I never picked up on that meaning of "Fey", that's a pretty good one.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 18: Episode 2: Investigation: Bad News Maya - We're Your Lawyer



Back to the Detention Center we go!

Music: Silence



It's almost time for Maya to receive a court-appointed lawyer. And we have completely failed at securing her a better option.

Hiya.



Did you find the lawyer?

Yes....

Um... well... (What do I tell her?)

Well, see... (Just be honest!)



He... didn't seem healthy. He was all skin and bones!

Uh that guy was the opposite of all skin and bones.

...



...

You don't mean... He refused to help?

Urp.

...

I see.



quote:

If we had visited Grossberg Law Offices while it was empty, and then gone back to see Maya again, we'd get this conversation instead:

Hey!

What is it? Did you meet the lawyer?

Sorry.

I haven't seen him yet.

I see...

(Hmm. I'd better go see if I can find this elite lawyer she's talking about.)

Music: Detention Center - Jailer's Elegy



Maya doesn't have anything to say about the autopsy report, but we can show her the cell phone.



Oh! Say...



Music: Silence



...



(Before long, tears began to roll down her cheeks.)

...



Music: Detention Center - Jailer's Elegy



There's a new conversation topic here for us to explore. Note that this conversation was also available after we visited Grossberg's office the first time.

What about your family?

I only had my sister.

My father died when I was very young.



(Don't know...? So she could still be alive?)



Yeah let's pull some more on this thread.



They say a lotta spiritual power runs in our blood.

About fifteen years ago, our family was involved in an... incident.

There was a man, and he... he...



("Ruined"...?)

After that, she disappeared.

Several years after that, my sister announced that she would "become a lawyer" and she left the mountain.

...

So, you live by yourself?



Oh, also...

I had to become independent, or I would lose my powers!

(I feel bad for her, all by herself up on that mountain...)



Not sure how her "powers" work, but a family enemy seems like a good lead for finding the real killer here.



About 15 years ago... there was an unusual murder case.

It made quite a stir, everyone was talking about it, apparently.

The police were running out of leads, and they were getting desperate...

Wait... they didn't use a spirit medium, did they?



Wow... So, what happened?

The case was solved... we thought.

You "thought"...?



...!

The police's consulatation with a medium had all been carried out in secret, of course.

But...

A man found out about it and leaked it to the press.



She... my mother... became the laughing stock of the nation.

I see.

...

Music: Silence



Excuse me? White?

That was his name. My sister told me.

White? Hmm...

Be on the lookout for someone named White, I guess. Is that person the wrongfully-accused or the one who leaked it to the press, though?



Once we've both been rejected by Mr. Grossberg and heard about Mr. White, a new conversation starts up. A smiling Maya doesn't seem quite appropriate here. Are we really just going to let that happen?

...

(4:00 PM. Time's up.)

(What should I do?)



I've been playing it straight for awhile, but I can't resist seeing what "Go home" looks like.



(She'll be better off with a state-appointed lawyer.)

I think I'd better get home now.





Music: Recollection - Heartbroken Maya



Oh, we're really doing this.

The result of the trial was in the newspaper.

"Guilty."

I'll probably never meet her again.

Did I make the right choice?

Will I ever know?



...

Music: Silence





Psych! We don't get kicked back to the title screen. Instead it was all in our head or something.

I'm not leaving here until she takes me as her lawyer!

quote:

There's no alternate dialogue for choosing to "Defend Maya" instead - you just skip that whole previous scene and move straight along to the next one!

Music: Investigation - Core



I'm going to defend you whether you want me to or not!

!

Why?



We could go all touchy-feely here, but with what we know about the bloody note and the autopsy report, someone else has to be the killer.



H-how do you know?

I, um, I have a hunch...



(But there's something about this whole thing that smells fishy.)









(I know... I've been there. A long, long time ago.)



Quick flashback to...something?



(Because someone has to look out for the people who have no one on their side.)



quote:

Let's tell Maya we just can't abandon her instead.

...

(No one is as sad as a person without any friends.)

(I know... I've been there. A long, long time ago.)

(Why did I become a lawyer in the first place...?)

(Because someone has to look out for the people who have no one on their side.)

Maya...

A bit quicker on that branch, but we end up in the same place.

quote:

What if we don't know why we're going to defend Maya?

To be honest, I don't know.

You don't know?

(Is this girl sitting in front of me the killer?)

(All the evidence seems to say "yes.")

(But there's something about this whole thing that smells fishy.)

(That witness's strange behavior... was that all an act?)

(And the way that lawyer refused to help out Maya...)

(But more than all that, she has no one left to help her!)

(Nothing is more sad, or more lonely than that.)

(I know... I've been there. A long, long time ago.)

(Why did I become a lawyer in the first place...?)

(Because someone has to look out for the people who have no one on their side.)

There's only one thing I know for certain.

This branch is almost exactly the same as the one we picked!



...

That's so kind of you...

*sniff*...

...





Let's fight this one and get you out of here!



(Whew, she smiled at last. She looks like an entirely different person!)

One last question... You are innocent, right?



And I trust you...

So you trust me, too, okay?

It's a deal.



(There's something that's been bugging me...)



(It was when I tried to look into the drawer that she got all defensive.)

(There has to be something in there!)

Have you figured out how to get rid of her so we can look? Because I haven't.



No, really, that's it here? I kind of thought we'd be going straight to trial now. There's nothing new to examine, talk about, or present. So I guess we just start revisiting places to see if anything has changed?



Bonus content: Visiting Fey & Co after talking to Grossberg.

Music: Silence



(Looks like Detective Gumshoe has gone home.)

(The police are still keeping themselves busy in the chief's office.)

(No one has time to talk to me. Guess I'll head out.)



Despite that dialogue, we can still look around. Almost everything is the same, but this plant has a new line:



I guess I'll have to water it now...



We've exhausted every other option again. Grossberg has nothing new, so I guess we'll take the giant hint the game threw at us and head over to the Gatewater Hotel again!

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Can't wait until you get to court...

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
On the plus side, Maya, an incompetent lawyer is grounds for appeal.

raifield
Feb 21, 2005

achtungnight posted:

On the plus side, Maya, an incompetent lawyer is grounds for appeal.

Phoenix's lawyering skills operates purely on the notion of the Hot-Blooded trope. With the murder of his mentor, he's instantly become the world's most competent lawyer.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 19: Episode 2, Investigation: A Wild Bellboy Appears!



We got a pretty heavy hint last time that we need to go back to the Gatewater Hotel. We couldn't get into the drawer with the screwdriver before, but somehow we're going to be allowed to do so now I guess.



And lo and behold we have a random encounter with a hotel bellboy either inside or just outside Miss April May's room.

Excuse me, you are...?

Ah, I beg your pardon, sir!



Oh, right.

I've just come up to deliver room service, sir.



This guy gets his own profile entry, too.

Um... do you know where Miss May might be?



If you've no need of anything, I'll be taking my leave.

Yes, please go so we can poke our nose in that drawer.



Yeah...

Wait... no! Hey!

...



I guess the bellboy thinks we're here for an investigation of a more romantic nature?

(Wait... now's my chance to snoop around a bit!)



Surprise! He's back, very suddenly.

Gah! Y-you came back quick!



Please tell her that Mr. White, of Bluecorp phoned.

Oh, right. Sure.

Mr. White, you say? Maya told us about a Mr. White. A common enough name, but I don't believe in coincidences in this game.



C'mon Phoenix, you can do it! Rub those brain cells together...



We're sent into a brief flashback...

That was his name. My sister told me.



And apparently he wasn't satisfied with just their mother, either. Or maybe Mia's "evidence" that she was trying to hide in the statue-clock was related?

(Could it be a coincidence?)

I wonder if we'll start getting red herrings in this game, too. That could make things fun. "Actually, it turned out to be a totally different Mr. White." or "It turns out Mia was just in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Music: Investigation - Core



We're finally free to look around. Everything else is the same, so let's just take a peek in that drawer...



Now's my chance to see what's inside!

...!

What do we have here!

Music: Suspense



I am moderately impressed that Phoenix can recognize a wiretap on sight. I sure can't.

What would a woman like her be doing with a thing like this?



I could see this little piece of evidence being used to connect some dots later. The statue-clock was hollowed out to hide some evidence. That information was mentioned in the phone call between Mia and Maya. And this wiretap could have recorded that phone call. I think we're still missing a couple pieces, though.



Why would she have something like this in her hotel room?

There's a story behind all this, I know it!

Alright...



For Maya's sake...



Phoenix is still saying this all out loud, with April in the bathroom. Maybe we should skedaddle?



Yeah, time to make like a tree and get outta here.

(Uh oh, time to scram!)



(In court!)





We appear to have obtained all the information we need. The investigation phase is finally over.

Music: Jingle - It Can't End Here



We'll take the given opportunity to save, and then next time: The trial!

Regallion
Nov 11, 2012

While you are at it, consider exactly how did Phoenix manage to enter the wiretap in evidence, since he is not the police.
Did he steal it? Did he take a picture and hope for the best?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


The Court Record is... weird. They don't ever really say how it works.

It could be an absolute font of comedy in the right hands, though.

LJN92
Mar 5, 2014

I should mention that illegally acquiring evidence, regardless of whether it proves your case or not, is likely enough to get it barred from the court record. So if Phoenix did steal the wiretap, he has committed a crime and made the evidence illegal too. Even if he didn't steal it, entering April May's hotel room without her permission could be described as an act of trespass.

In my home country of New Zealand, there is judicial discretion for permitting evidence despite it being improperly obtained, but I don't know if US or Japanese courts would have similar laws.

serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!

...It is only now, looking at the higher quality sprites, that I realize the bellboy does not, in fact, have a mustache.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!

LJN92 posted:

I should mention that illegally acquiring evidence, regardless of whether it proves your case or not, is likely enough to get it barred from the court record. So if Phoenix did steal the wiretap, he has committed a crime and made the evidence illegal too. Even if he didn't steal it, entering April May's hotel room without her permission could be described as an act of trespass.

In my home country of New Zealand, there is judicial discretion for permitting evidence despite it being improperly obtained, but I don't know if US or Japanese courts would have similar laws.

In the US, illegally obtained evidence is called ‘fruit of the poison tree’ and not permitted in court under any circumstances of which I am aware. Of course, that doesn’t stop a few tv attorneys I’ve seen from using it anyway and counting on jury memory and emotional state overriding judicial instructions to exclude such evidence- if they’re even caught using it. There are ways to argue it was in fact legal- a good example here is to use the fact that the drawer was in plain sight and got Phoenix’s attention. Then when he opened it, the wiretap device was in plain sight and therefore could be admitted. But the circumstances under which he was able to access the drawer were questionable, so maybe he and other lawyers could argue about that. There’s an interesting twist, however. Phoenix isn’t the prosecutor here. Yet he will be using this evidence to prove both his client’s innocence and someone else’s guilt. It’s already established that we need to prove the guilt of the real murderer, not just reasonable doubt that our client is guilty. So we have a higher standard. And the prosecutor will probably not be helping us. This is not an attorney’s usual task.

Foxfire_
Nov 8, 2010

In the US, evidence illegally obtained by randos on their own is admissible. Evidence illegally obtained by the police (or other state employee), or by someone acting on their behalf is not.

If I break into your garage to rob it and find your secret stash of murder clock-statues, it's fine for me to testify in court about that (I can still be prosecuted for burglary). If the police cops break in without a warrant and find the stash, it's not admissible. Also anything the police find that is directly traceable to the illegal search is not admissible ("We knew DKII was The Thinker from the clock stash, so we started following him around and later saw him bludgeon somebody". The surveillance is tainted by the search and not admissible either).

Real world Phoenix's bigger problem would be that there's no chain of custody over the wiretap. There's nothing besides his word proving that it has anything to do with April May and he's obviously motivated to convict a witness instead of Maya

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Foxfire_ posted:

Real world Phoenix's bigger problem would be that there's no chain of custody over the wiretap. There's nothing besides his word proving that it has anything to do with April May and he's obviously motivated to convict a witness instead of Maya

Might have her fingerprints on it. Just putting it in the hotel drawer is pretty careless, she probably hasn't handled it with gloves.

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
A lot of what we do in the Investigation phases of the game is Wacky Adventure Game Contrivances for what would just be Discovery in the real world.

but most people wouldn't be interested in "submit tons of paperwork to the judge simulator 2001", i imagine

Arzaac
Jan 2, 2020


I like to imagine that because the courts are already stacked against them, a defense attorney's badge is basically their license to steal anything that's not nailed down.

Namagem
Feb 14, 2011

The Magic Of Friendship

Tree Reformat posted:

A lot of what we do in the Investigation phases of the game is Wacky Adventure Game Contrivances for what would just be Discovery in the real world.

but most people wouldn't be interested in "submit tons of paperwork to the judge simulator 2001", i imagine

I mean, Papers Please was a good game. That with an edge of "if you gently caress this up, an innocent man goes to jail" might be fun.

raifield
Feb 21, 2005

Tree Reformat posted:

A lot of what we do in the Investigation phases of the game is Wacky Adventure Game Contrivances for what would just be Discovery in the real world.

but most people wouldn't be interested in "submit tons of paperwork to the judge simulator 2001", i imagine

Mindcraft's Crime and Punishment from 1984 let you be the judge, but that's the closest thing to an actual courtroom simulation I've been able to find.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

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They should make a game where they let you play as Judge Azdak.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 20: Episode 2, Trial: Difficulty Increase



No pre-trial chats today, we're headed straight into the courtroom (finally)!



The crowd is buzzing; that's the new hotshot prosecutor over there.



Music: Trial



I missed you, Judge!



Our opponent: Mr. Miles Edgeworth, dark and broody. Literally no smiles in his sprite sheet.



We seem a little more sure of ourselves for trial #2.

(Miles Edgeworth...)





Oh, we're going to have a proper opening statement this time?



The prosecution has evidence she committed this murder...

and we have a witness who saw her do it.



I see.

Thank you, Mr. Edgeworth. Let's begin then.

Hey, where's my opening statement!?



The prosecution calls the chief officer at the scene, Detective Gumshoe!





He looks ready for this.



Mr. Edgeworth seems like he'll be a lot harder to rattle than Mr. Payne was.

Sir!

My name's Dick Gumshoe, sir!



Detective Gumshoe.





Music: Logic and Trick



A new track plays, and we get a diagram of the crime scene up on display during Gumshoe's explanation.

And the cause of death?

Loss of blood due to being strick by a blunt object, sir!



A small triangle representing the murder weapon is added to the diagram here.



Note that we haven't entered the official "Testimony" phase yet, so we can't object to any of these statements. Nothing too bad here so far, anyway.



Music: Silence





Yeah, even the judge doesn't remember that this thing is really a clock.



More evidence for our collection! We have quite the growing list, now.



Uh-oh, he's about to pounce.

Y-yes sir!



Can you tell me why?



Like hell you did.

Hmm... Detective Gumshoe.





Okay, pay attention, there will be a quiz later.

Music: Questioning - Moderato



There were two people there already:

The defendant, Ms. Maya Fey, and the lawyer, Mr. Phoenix Wright.







I'm not seeing any contradictions here yet...

Music: Silence



Oh, we're done already. Just six lines there, and other than the witness clearly lying, everything Gumshoe said here appears to be as it happened.



So, what do we do here?



(Cross-examine what...?)

(I couldn't see a single contradiction in that testimony...)

Phoenix is just as lost. And we don't have our support partner anymore...





(Hey! Maya just threw something at me...)

Is she in the crowd or something? She wasn't in the wide courtroom shot we got at the beginning of this update.



("When my sister couldn't find any contradictions in a witness's testimony")



("The witness always slips up and says something wrong...")

("It worked lots of times!")

Just in case we hadn't figured it out last episode, the game freely tells us to press on every statement now.



(Alright. Let's give this a try!)





Hmm this update has been a lot shorter without all the tutorials, and we're apparently just going to press on everything anyway. Let's keep going!



Time to put the screws to the Gumshoe!

Music: Questioning - Moderato

As soon as the phone call came in, I rushed to the scene!





Hey pal, don't play dumb! You know who!



I don't show a lot of the plain talking animations, but this one's a good one. Heavy-breathing enthusiasm for some of this testimony.



Right. Please continue.

In order to get to the trial, we have to have already talked to Miss May, so nothing really new here. Let's keep going!

There were two people there already:



Yes, we can press even on partial statements like these.



between you receiving the call, and your arrival at the scene of the crime?

Hmm, right... I'd say it was about 3 minutes!

Th-that's pretty fast!

I didn't notice it right away, but 3 minutes would place the phone call at 9:05 PM, and about 8 minutes after the murder actually took place, and 5 minutes after Maya showed up. The autopsy report also placed time of death at 9:00 PM, but how precise is a time of death like that?



That's how I got there before the killer got away!

Indeed!



Yes, sir!

The defendant, Ms. Maya Fey, and the lawyer, Mr. Phoenix Wright.







....What? He literally arrested Maya on the spot. And no one else can pull off that blue suit.

Listen pal, your dumb act will only get you so far!

With her funky hippie clothes and your spiky hair?



Ouch, okay, fair enough.

(Well... he does have a point about her.)

(She is pretty unmistakable.)



I will continue to press on every statement until I stumble into a glorious land mine that I'm sure the developers planted somewhere.

I immediately arrested Ms. Maya Fey!





Oops, another false press that just leads us into the next line of testimony.

Why? We had a witness account describing her!



Music: Silence



The music fades away, hinting that we've hit on the right line here.

Y-yeah?

If I heard correctly...



...He does, kind of. The bloody note? I guess he never did mention it.

Huh?



I heard you say it!

You did say it.

You said it.





Seems like an odd way to force the witness to talk about the evidence that we know is faulty, but okay.

Wh-what!?





W-well, I guess she is pink...



Do you have any more solid proof other than her claims, Detective?

Umm...



...

Yes.

(Gah!)

Phoenix you know all about the note, you were there when Gumshoe asked us about it.



There was something I should have told you about first, Your Honor!

Very well, Detective. Let's hear your testimony again.



Round two!

Music: Questioning - Moderato



I found a memo written on a piece of paper next to the victim's body!



Lab test results showed that the blood was the victim's!

To be honest, that's more due diligence than I expected out of the police here.



Someone else could have used her hand like a paintbrush though.



I suspect here's where I should point out that the autopsy report says that Mia died instantly.



We get a moment to ponder how best to fling this testimony back at him.





Going to wipe that smug look off your face, pal!

Music: Silence

Hmm...



Y-Your Honor?

Why didn't you testify about this vital piece of evidence the first time!?





Try to be more careful!

Very well, the defense may begin its cross-examination.

All right, seems like we're at a good point for a quick break. I'm pretty sure we have to present the autopsy report here, but which line is the best point to do it for maximum impact?

quote:

There's actually one more line of original testimony that we missed:

The witness saw Ms. Maya Fey at the very moment of the murder!



But...the results are exactly the same as pressing on the previous line, advancing the trial along.

quote:

If we exhaust all of the original testimony without pressing at the right time...

(I can't see a single contradiction in there!)

(I'll just have to take Maya's advice and press him on anything suspicious!)

Hey, you said press on everything before, not just anything suspicious! Anyway we're brought back to the start of the testimony again.

Blaziken386
Jun 27, 2013

I'm what the kids call: a big nerd
:allears:
gumshoe's adorable. love this scruffy detective.

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achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Before she died, the victim wrote the killer’s name? She can’t have done that if she died instantly! Also, where is Maya’s motive?

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