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OwlFancier posted:It would be phone boxes. Fixed area of availability determined by the infrastructure, life adjusts around that. Go away from that and you don't get to use it, so fewer people do that. e: The .280 British was the UK attempt at an intermediate assault rifle style cartridge that wasn't very successful. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Bobby you post like a bot ok ELOM MUSK
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endlessmonotony posted:Problem: It's not a solution at all. I don't know where you're getting this "large immobile power units" thing from. They've achieved 160wh/kg with Sodium, which, yes, it's a little short of the ~250wh/kg with lithium, but sodium is also muuuuuuuch cheaper than lithium. I agree that electric cars are a dead end in some sense, we should be replacing private cars with public transport to the greatest possible extent... but nevertheless, we're getting electric cars. Also talk of "replacing all of the IC engines we have will take x resources"... well yeah, but we already replace all of the cars on earth something like every 12-15 years (the average life span of a private car). To be very clear, I fully agree with this: OwlFancier posted:a shitload of things people currently move around for do not need to happen in the first place and a shitload more of them only happen because nobody's fucjking planned around mass transit in half a century. But nevertheless, the auto-lobby has existed for a century and there's still a lot of money to be made selling private cars, and all of North America is built HEAVILY around the automobile being a thing that every household has, to the point where if you don't have one you're basically hosed. I'd *love* to believe that in 15 years 90% of the cars we currently have will be off the road, but I don't. notaspy posted:How do we deal with the current carbon in the atmosphere? Not a troll, I have no real understanding of all the moving parts. It's difficult. They are looking at ways of doing it, there's a thing called "enhanced weathering" where you spread finely ground silicate rock onto farmland, beaches or just straight into the ocean. Carbon in the air reacts with the rock and forms carbonate minerals. It's a double-whammy of benefits if you do it in the ocean because it works to increase alkalinity and reverse ocean acidification, which is a problem. We already have shitloads of spare waste rock from mining tailings. To be very very very very clear about what I'm saying here with this post: I do not think that technology will save us. I don't want to get too black-pilled ITT so I'm not posting more about that. I'm just saying that the whole home energy storage, vehicle-to-grid thing seems to be a lot of what's being pushed by automakers and so I think that's what we're going to end up with. We may also get sodium batteries at home (or lithium, or lead-acid, or LiFePO4 or some other static battery storage units). Tbh we just had a massive grid outage that lasted over 2 weeks where I live in Ottawa recently, and I'm looking at solutions for home backup power, because I think that grid issues are going get worse and more frequent, and one of the options I'm looking at is solar panels plus lithium battery storage. Currently, if you are somewhere you think that power is going to get much more expensive, or you don't think you can rely on grid power to be continuous, solar plus batteries look like a good solution, and if you're buying batteries for storage, it's barely any more expensive to buy a car instead and use the car's battery pack for your storage. Again, this is not my ideal solution, it's just what I think we're going to end up with. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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Guavanaut posted:Makes sense, I saw one of those "phone + SMS + em@il" phone boxes in a small village last weekend for the first time in decades. I'm not sure it even did the e-online cyber bit because it was just a red phone box with a phone in, but it did have a sign saying it didn't take coins so maybe the new 'cyber' is 'gently caress you if you only have cash'. There was a working red phone box near my mum & dad's (previous) place until recently- a location where there is zero mobile phone signal (or 4G or even 2G), and a reasonably popular youth hostel 2 miles up an almost vertical hill (dad occasionally used to ferry hostellers up there in his car if they were struggling - it's not obvious from the map that you need ropes and crampons to get up there - joking but not much!) I'm not sure when it stopped being functional - maybe 5-6 years ago and the phone all ripped out now. Not even an internet connection in there. So if there's a powercut cutting out your home router or you otherwise need to make an urgent phone call, too bad. We got mum a phone that plugs directly into the phone socket to keep near the phone outlet in case of a powercut as those walking-around-the-house phones (I'm sure there's a technical term but I don't know what it is - with a base station that charges up the handsets) also cease to function in a powercut. (I blame my garbled sentence construction above as a result of spending the last 6 hours beating Xero and Salesforce into submission).
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blunt posted:We should start by immediately I don't personally like the idea of moving to an EV because uh, I hate modern cars. I hate cars that are too complex and advanced for me to maintain myself. And they are just getting worse and worse and more difficult to work on. I welded on my Mazda 2005 a few weeks ago and replaced the whole bottom sill plate and part of the arches. Hell if I could do that on a modern car, the sheet metal is some fancy unweldable alloy and even structural now. And if things do go wrong with a modern car it's a lot of "toss away this entire board of components" stuff. Which strikes me as very wasteful and expensive to boot. I really like driving a bit of a shitbox car since I only need the most basic rear end traffic insurance to keep costs down and if it gets some damage no big, I can fix that or live with it. I just don't wanna deal with cars more modern than 2010 ish... Unless right to repair becomes a huge thing in the car industry and they make a car that's easy to work on at home. And with as little digital technology as possible. So my personal idea is to convert my car to biogas. Where I live the local (publically owned) waste disposal company takes all the biological waste and compost it to bioreactors to produce biogas. The local citys public transport has been converted to run on biogas since a few years and there is a network of fueling stations around the city nowadays. The fuel equivalent cost of biogas is 1€ / liter to boot. It can still run on conventional fuel too.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:There is no way to deal with it in the sense that we could suck it out of the atmosphere and then it's just gone. We need to mitigate the effects of it being there, and we need radical changes. People talk about electric cars; if we were to go carbon neutral tomorrow, with a magic snap of the fingers, that still might not be enough to save us, so what is a global production chain of electric cars going to do to help us? All these half measures are just another form of grief. Denial and Bargaining. Yeah. Again, not to be too black pilled, but it's essentially too late already. It's like we have stage four liver cancer and we're not only refusing chemo and radiotherapy, we're still drinking a bottle of voddy a day. Could a miracle occur and we survive? Sure. Is it likely? No. I've been spending a lot of time actively working on various ways to come to terms with this, to try and face the End with some sort of equanimity and dignity. I have good days and bad ones. I try not to think about it all the time, but I think it's ultimately easier to face the truth rather than try to ignore it.
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Turns out Germany is loving with their emissions numbers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0sq5GN7xc
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The last time there was this much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was about 28 million years ago, when the temperature was about 4-6 degrees warmer. The reason we're only seeing 1.3 degrees so far is that there's a delay in the resultant heating. Back then, the heating was so slow - taking tens of thousands of years - that life could adapt. Even forests could move. We're speedrunning it in about 3 centuries and with all the other pressures we're piling on wildlife, it's fair to say the natural world is incredibly hosed. EVs will do nothing.
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Also read that there's so much PFAS globally now, that rainwater, globally, is not recommended for drinking any more. A well known pfas is teflon.
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I wish people would stop saying "x will do nothing, y won't work" No they aren't the solution to climate change but they will buy more time and as individuals that's all we can really do. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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blunt posted:We should start by immediately gently caress me, I didn't realise they were THAT bad. I've always been vaguely interested in taking one just for the people watching, but no more! If this is the case though, a q: I remember hearing that during lockdown, even with no planes, no cruises etc, that emissions overall only went down slightly. And that individual choices, while not negatives, have a minimal positive impact based on the large shifts we need. Do we have a % in terms of global emissions caused by cruises? And the highest % offenders?
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Mega Comrade posted:I wish people would stop saying "x will do nothing, y won't work" No-one is saying 'don't do anything'.
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Barry Foster posted:No-one is saying 'don't do anything'. Well it can come across that way with how defeatist a lot of you are. And I get it, its dire, its depressing. But saying stuff like "EVs will do nothing" begs the question , then why bother getting one? Mourning Due posted:gently caress me, I didn't realise they were THAT bad. I've always been vaguely interested in taking one just for the people watching, but no more!  quote:ship burns 433 tonnes of fuel a day, and takes six days to travel from Southampton to New York. If the ship is full, every passenger with a return ticket consumes 2.9 tonnes. A tonne of shipping fuel contains 0.85 tonnes of carbon, which produces 3.1 tonnes of carbon dioxide when it is burnt. Every passenger is responsible for 9.1 tonnes of emissions. Travelling to New York and back on the QEII, in other words, uses almost 7.6 times as much carbon as making the same journey by plane.”
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Mega Comrade posted:I wish people would stop saying "x will do nothing, y won't work" as soon as you create some spare capacity or some headroom wrt energy, some dipshit immediately fills it with crypto mining or something. also carbon lingers in the atmosphere for a long time, so even if you hit the magic Stop button and halted all emissions right now we'd still see warming regardless for the next several decades at least - at which point the methane clathrates will all have melted and then we're off to the races
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Mega Comrade posted:Well it can come across that way with how defeatist a lot of you are. And I get it, its dire, its depressing. But saying stuff like "EVs will do nothing" begs the question , then why bother getting one?] Indeed. You shouldn't get one - the best hint you can do is drive less.
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Microplastics posted:Indeed. You shouldn't get one - the best hint you can do is drive less. I do, I WFH now and sold my car. But that isn't an option for everyone.
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Mega Comrade posted:Well it can come across that way with how defeatist a lot of you are. And I get it, its dire, its depressing. But saying stuff like "EVs will do nothing" begs the question , then why bother getting one? 'Do something' and 'buy an electric vehicle' are not synonymous. I think as much as anything, all these little things we do (or are aware of being done, or at least are being talked about) are valuable in that they make people feel better. To continue my earlier metaphor - palliative care is inherently worthwhile, even if it isn't curative.
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Microplastics posted:Indeed. You shouldn't get one - the best hint you can do is drive less. The only real way to drive less for most people is to work fewer days. The solution to climate change is not individual action anyway. Like the whole carbon footprint thing is basically a scam by oil companies, BP to be exact. It was incredibly successful in reframing combating climate change to somehting between the consumer and the climate. Under this world view they implanted in us inception style, your choices in stopping climate change are limited to your choices as a consumer. Moving the goalposts away from the fossil fuel companies and other huge corporations who are responsible for the majority of emissions.
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What's the lifetime emissions cost of a Neptune Barry Foster posted:It's like we have stage four liver cancer and we're not only refusing chemo and radiotherapy, we're still drinking a bottle of voddy a day.
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I've got to say, all the sensible grownups tut-tutting about the idea of a mass movement of people simply irresponsibly stopping paying their energy bills has me more convinced than ever that it's an excellent idea.
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Guavanaut posted:What's the lifetime emissions cost of a Neptune I think it means it's a pretty imperfect analogy.
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roomtone posted:it's a catchy concept, too. you could campaign about it. i have been for years my idea is to rename them all the diarrhea princess and to compel people who have paid for a holiday on them to wear a badge that says pre:i learned to line dance on the diarrhea princess
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I was on a placement at a decentralised power networks research centre a few years ago, just doing little routine things to reduce the work load of the actual phd-level brain geniouses. One of the main projects at that time was a flywheel battery, "oh cool" says me. Work on it for a while, then find out it's a project entirely funded by the US Department of Defense cus they want to use it as the power supply for a naval railgun (flywheels have extremely rapid discharge, you can dump the whole battery in milliseconds). Find out a bit more about it and "Yes, the DoD has been good to the centre recently, we're hoping to take on many more projects with them in the years to come! Please get in touch with us when you've finished your course, we'd be lucky to have you" etc. Needless to say I did not go back. Very disheartening
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Pistol_Pete posted:I've got to say, all the sensible grownups tut-tutting about the idea of a mass movement of people simply irresponsibly stopping paying their energy bills has me more convinced than ever that it's an excellent idea. Absolutely this. Between EiE and DPUK, and the resurgent TU movement more generally with figures like Ward, Dempsey and Lynch getting more airtime, I am feeling some tiny modicum of short-term hope. Or at least a sense that The Descent won't just be a horrendous grind - god, we might actually go out with a fight!
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just search my post history for "diarrhea princess": click the post history button under my post and then key into the search-box on the screen of your home computer "diarrhea princess" and then click the search button
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Pistol_Pete posted:I've got to say, all the sensible grownups tut-tutting about the idea of a mass movement of people simply irresponsibly stopping paying their energy bills has me more convinced than ever that it's an excellent idea. With how much they are rising by we don't need organised action. People not paying is going to be the outcome of a lot of people literally being unable to pay. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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i don't think i used any other spellings of diarrhea because i can never remember which way around the vowels go i once heard that's a phenomenon with people who are used to germanic languages and i like that theory because the alternative is just being a bit thick i suppose
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Barry Foster posted:I think it means it's a pretty imperfect analogy. crispix posted:just search my post history for "diarrhea princess": click the post history button under my post and then key into the search-box on the screen of your home computer "diarrhea princess" and then click the search button
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Cookie Cutter posted:I was on a placement at a decentralised power networks research centre a few years ago, just doing little routine things to reduce the work load of the actual phd-level brain geniouses. One of the main projects at that time was a flywheel battery, "oh cool" says me. Work on it for a while, then find out it's a project entirely funded by the US Department of Defense cus they want to use it as the power supply for a naval railgun (flywheels have extremely rapid discharge, you can dump the whole battery in milliseconds). Find out a bit more about it and "Yes, the DoD has been good to the centre recently, we're hoping to take on many more projects with them in the years to come! Please get in touch with us when you've finished your course, we'd be lucky to have you" etc. Needless to say I did not go back. Very disheartening It sucks but the US military have funded a LOT of inventions. MRI machines, microchips, barcodes, GPS, the Internet. All invented in the effort to kill things more efficiently. Just think what we could invent if we had the will power to fund general science on the same scale.
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Mega Comrade posted:I do, I WFH now and sold my car. But that isn't an option for everyone. While the world is dying people are going to be driving past in Teslas telling us to cheer up and smile more, that's because they don't understand what is happening.
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah. Again, not to be too black pilled, but it's essentially too late already. It's like we have stage four liver cancer and we're not only refusing chemo and radiotherapy, we're still drinking a bottle of voddy a day. Could a miracle occur and we survive? Sure. Is it likely? No. Humanity's got real good odds at surviving, and we'd not have decent odds of destroying life on earth if we tried our best. Problem is every wasted day means a lot of mouths we can no longer feed.
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So much of the fight against climate change is couched in lies, and red herrings. Like the whole carbon neutral by 2050 thing. Warming will continue for decades after we become neutral. If we became neutral now that might not be enough. So good luck with 2050 I guess. It's just keys being jangled in front of people's faces. A way for capital to keep going just a little bit longer, while people buy a whole new round of poo poo but this time it's marketed to be green.
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WhatEvil posted:I don't know where you're getting this "large immobile power units" thing from. They've achieved 160wh/kg with Sodium, which, yes, it's a little short of the ~250wh/kg with lithium, but sodium is also muuuuuuuch cheaper than lithium. Internal combustion and the energy handling of an electric car require rather a different set of resources. We have the resources for the former (not that we should use them), and we don't have them for the latter, and if we tried to push ahead anyway the supply chains would collapse in very impressive ways. Also any theoretical upgrades to sodium should be counted in for lithium too, they're not that different. That two thirds of added weight? It matters. Accelerating all that extra weight in real driving matters a lot. Well, unless the battery is stationary.
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This article from the graun about a climate prepper in Germany was amusing:quote:Every person who works for a fossil fuel company in any capacity should be tried for genocide. From the kids in the post-room to the CEOs. A few show trials for genocide would go a hell of a long way.” What would be the punishment for genocide? “I think that’s fairly well established."
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