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DJ_Mindboggler posted:The Dead Boy Detectives amazingly had a cameo/minor role in the latest season of Doom Patrol, so that storyline might not be available anyways. They were supposed to be working on a Dead Boys Detective HBO Max series but considering what's happening with WB right now probably not.
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There are TWO former Sandmans and the comic (and therefore the show) pay homage in subtle and not so subtle ways The original Sandman wore a gasmask, put criminals to sleep and sprinkled sand on them as a calling card (and initially this is what Gaiman was asked to write before DC decided to let him do his own thing) so the Helm sort of resembles a gas mask for that reason. The other, which sort of plays into the show is a Jack Kirby/Joe Simon creation who lives in the dreams of a child (named Jed) and fights nightmare monsters with his dumb sidekicks Brute and Glob. In The Dolls House Gaiman took this and worked in Hector Hall as that version of The Sandman and made Jed the brother of Rose Walker. The show pays homage by having Jed wear the 70's Sandman costume when he is in his Superhero guise, and Gault takes the place of Brute and Glob, who in the comic wanted to control Jed's dream and use Hector to replace Morpheus, which didn't end up working so good since Morpheus isn't dumb and Hector in the comics WAS very dumb) I miss Morpheus referring to hector as Little Ghost in the show though muscles like this! posted:They were supposed to be working on a Dead Boys Detective HBO Max series but considering what's happening with WB right now probably not. They shot the pilot and Gaiman said it's pretty good, but yeah, don't hold your breath for any show that isn't already on the platform (and even then it's dicey lmao HBOMax is basically dead) TheBigBudgetSequel fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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Aug 9, 2022 21:48
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Tosk posted:I'm only 5 episodes in but I'm very pleased with the adaptation so far. I read through the comic for the third time about two years ago and it's by far my favorite work of Neil Gaiman, and one of my favorites of all time. I don't know about almost any of the Golden Age references though, interesting to hear even Cain and Abel existed prior to Gaiman's work. 1-5 were a good adaptation of the first arc (I agree, Christie's Lucifer was phenomenal, and the game works better with her vs Dream, weird Matthew bit aside), but they absolutely nailed episode 6. Amazing adaptation of two of my favorite individual comic books ever. Tom Sturridge does a good job portraying Dream, but Kirby Howell-Baptiste is Death.
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Aug 9, 2022 22:11
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The worst thing about Gwendolyn Christie as Lucifer is that it shows how good a proper Lucifer adaptation starring her would be, and how we'll probably never get it thanks to the lovely Tom Ellis one.
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Oasx posted:I like Jenna Coleman, but I did not care for Constantine on the show. But then again I have never liked any of the Constantine characters. Constantine has two modes they switch between within each story, sometimes several times 1) loving up so hard all his friends die and go to hell while he runs away 2) pulling a sting on the Vatican so he can grind up and snort the bones of st Nicholas in order to channel the raw power of Santa Claus Balancing these is the challenge of a good Constantine story, but the reader needs to be on board for a hot mess glass canon character.
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Also Neil pointed out that early Constantine had clean clothes and wasn’t as much of the mess they later became.
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Aug 9, 2022 23:19
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Yeah constantine being a hot mess is the core of the character, and I liked that part. Like "on you ghosted a perfectly nice girl because you hate yourself? Go on"
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theblackw0lf posted:Also Neil pointed out that early Constantine had clean clothes and wasn’t as much of the mess they later became. poo poo, you're right - I completely blocked that out. Along with the trenchcoat, he used to wear a suit and even gloves in his early Swamp Thing appearances.
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Also this https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1556819075203997696?s=21&t=Mdk6S2YIKjDNtm11djZP9g
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Someone remind me, are any of the one issue short stories important for understanding the main story?
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theblackw0lf posted:Someone remind me, are any of the one issue short stories important for understanding the main story? The two involving Orpheus.
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muscles like this! posted:The two involving Orpheus. What are the name of the issues?
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"The Song of Orpheus" which is Orpheus' backstory and "Thermidor" which is the other appearance by Lady Johanna.
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While the show may deem this not the case, I think Three Septembers and a January is also fairly important, not only because it's a great telling of the story of Emperor Joshua Norton, but it is one of the rare stories where Despair is a big part of it, and it sets up why Desire is so intent on making Dream spill family blood.It also would give them an excuse to have more Delirium and I think Delirium will be a smash hit with audiences once she shows up
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:While the show may deem this not the case, I think Three Septembers and a January is also fairly important, not only because it's a great telling of the story of Emperor Joshua Norton, but it is one of the rare stories where Despair is a big part of it, and it sets up why Desire is so intent on making Dream spill family blood.It also would give them an excuse to have more Delirium and I think Delirium will be a smash hit with audiences once she shows up I would be more excited for Delirium if I hadn't already seen Netflix's Cowboy Bebop and it's handling of Ed. But yeah, given that it's a story with contributions from 5 of the Endless, it'll probably make the cut.
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Is there any crossover in creative team at all between Sandman and Cowboy Bebop?
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cptn_dr posted:Is there any crossover in creative team at all between Sandman and Cowboy Bebop? Besides Mason Alexander Park who was Gren, I don't think there are any other crossovers between the shows creatively. Just that both are Netflix releases.
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cptn_dr posted:Is there any crossover in creative team at all between Sandman and Cowboy Bebop? Not to my knowledge, just the last time a program under the Netflix brand messed up a "wacky" character. I quite liked episodes 1-11 of their Cowboy Bebop show, they just torched every bit of goodwill they'd built up with the finale.
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Big Sandman fan here, and I was alternating between hope and dread for the series. The first couple of episodes were...decent, but a bit flat. It felt as if they were being too cautious with style, angles and even colors to not scare away the non-readers. Charles Dance as Burgess was a good choice. But even the nightmare scenes were shot in such bland, uninteresting ways that I had a bad feeling about continuing. Thankfully, I was wrong. The flow and cinematography really improve from episode 3 and onward. Actual good use of dutch angles, framing and more making the show feel a lot more intense and engaging. My inner nerd is still a bit peeved that Morpheus is a bit too smily, but I understand that it's a different medium and having the actor just be a monochrome stick in the mud sourpuss would not translate well.
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Guy who plays dream has the most annoying and offputting english face in the world. And his hair is too normal
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love the show but whats the deal with merv's 10fps facial animation?? i mean even gmod animations have smoother movementdangerdoom volvo posted:Guy who plays dream has the most annoying and offputting english face in the world. And his hair is too normal he reminds me of cloud atlas asian face jim sturgess, also doesn't help they vertically stretched his already long face by about 10%
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Booty Pageant posted:love the show but whats the deal with merv's 10fps facial animation?? i mean even gmod animations have smoother movement I figured it was an intentional artistic choice. It felt a bit unreal in a cool way
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Comic book question. Is Game of You the first time we meet Thessalian? Don’t remember her from the other books, but I skipped Dream Country.
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theblackw0lf posted:Comic book question. Is Game of You the first time we meet Thessalian? Yes.
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theblackw0lf posted:Comic book question. Is Game of You the first time we meet Thessalian? I have a feeling they're going to replace her with Constantine.
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I've watched the first episode, and my god what is going on with the lighting. Sometimes -- actually a lot of the time -- the light sources have this horrible digital halo around them like they've been smudged, but then they'll randomly shoot the light sources normally even within the same scene. It's distractingly ugly. Generally that first episode was very digital looking, in all the worst ways possible. Episode wasn't that bad tbh, though I think I'd have made some different choices dramatising certain aspects.
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The lighting for a lot of the black characters is also not great (though the actress they chose Lucien is generally well shot, I assume because most of her scenes were on closed high priority sets)
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the holy poopacy posted:I had forgotten how loving jazzed Hob is about the technological marvels of 1489 I'm so fuckin hype for my boi Hob. Always loved his story, like gently caress living is great, so happy he was running his mouth in that bar, always thankful for the deal. Just did episode 1 this morning and it's good. Holy gently caress I forgot this is where all my metaphysical mumbo-jumbo came from, reading this poo poo in the combination warhammer-store/comicbook-shop is where my whimsical goth aesthetic really solidified into my goofy-serious immortal soul. Afterwards I did the bootleg thing where I watched a YouTube of a dude going over the "A Game Of You" comic arc. Yo that witch was I C E C O L D. No hesitation, no malice, just slamming dream ravens against the wall and stabbing the sender. Lemmie get my spell kit, we about to saw this face off and nail it to the wall and have a lil chat. See, told you ol dude was threat, confession right there, now let's get all witchcrafty with some blood magic. Homegirl is preggers and ol dude unfortunately blood magic has some  baked in. Let's goooooo DREAM WARRIORS
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In 1989 there was not a lot of pop cultural awareness of how much change actually took place during the middle ages, so it's another little touch of Sandman being ahead of its time.
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I also think that they will do the midsummer dream story in some form. It's one of the most popular stories, it won an award and I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't show Dream talking to Shakespeare and make a deal without expanding on it.
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My bet is they include literally everything that doesn't involve an onscreen copyrighted superhero in a leotard, and they'll rewrite as much of that as they can. The show is a smash hit and so far they've barely left out anything.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My bet is they include literally everything that doesn't involve an onscreen copyrighted superhero in a leotard, and they'll rewrite as much of that as they can. So far, sure, but it's an expensive smash hit and later on there are multiple books full of side stories with little to no relevance to the story arc full of characters and settings and SFX that get used once and then never show up again. That adds up on the production budget, on top of wrecking any attempt at pacing a season-long arc. They might pull it off, but I'm betting at least a few stories get thinned out.
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The writers have floated doing Season of Mists and Game of You next season but with the reception maybe they will try to stretch it out with one major story and several standalone episodes per season. Some could get doubled up like in episode 6, others might require a couple of episodes. I just hope if they do get big ideas that they get to complete them, tv shows are incredibly unstable these days. Hopefully this is more of a Stranger Things where Netflix will stand by it for long enough to finish. Netflix also has the ability to actually release standalone episodes aside from the main seasons, for instance like Black Mirror, so that would be interesting if they go that route. If Neil and the budget can handle it they could have a separate team doing those since they don't share a lot of actors overall and Morpheus/Sturridge doesn't need to be front and center for everything like a normal show lead would be.
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KirbyKhan posted:I'm so fuckin hype for my boi Hob. Always loved his story, like gently caress living is great, so happy he was running his mouth in that bar, always thankful for the deal. in it
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My bet is they include literally everything that doesn't involve an onscreen copyrighted superhero in a leotard, and they'll rewrite as much of that as they can. I had completely forgotten who Lyta's mom and dad were and burst out laughing when someone reminded me. Anyway, overall I adored this and need S2 and JLC Hellblazer announcements, stat, now, immediately, etc. After the Collectors talking about him so much in this, it would be a crime not to show us The Family Man getting his poo poo kicked in by Jo.
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achillesforever6 posted:Thankfully the audiobook for A Game Of You get's rid of a lot of the outdated That's interesting. I thought the part of A Game of You where the moon turned out to basically be a TERF fit in with the way the various gods were depicted in Seasons of Mist. Like, there was a huge crossover between TERFdom and witchy moon-goddess worshipping types, so you'd expect the mood goddess to have those same flaws. I guess the book doesn't quite go far enough in showing that the moon is wrong (even though Gaiman kinda pointed it out in the intro to the trade paperback).
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LanceHunter posted:That's interesting. I thought the part of A Game of You where the moon turned out to basically be a TERF fit in with the way the various gods were depicted in Seasons of Mist. Like, there was a huge crossover between TERFdom and witchy moon-goddess worshipping types, so you'd expect the mood goddess to have those same flaws. I guess the book doesn't quite go far enough in showing that the moon is wrong (even though Gaiman kinda pointed it out in the intro to the trade paperback). Yeah, he's said elsewhere that this was his intent. I just got through A Game of You last night on my reread and I'd forgotten just how thoroughly awful and wrong Thessaly was about everything; she gets a bunch of people killed and very nearly gets herself and her neighbors trapped forever and manages to accomplish nothing useful in the process. There are plenty of lovely authors that like to use the "these are the opinions of a fictional character, not the author" card in bad faith but Neil Gaiman is not really very subtle about his opinion of Thessaly's viewpoints.
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the holy poopacy posted:Yeah, he's said elsewhere that this was his intent. 
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