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Isn't Judicial Watch a front organization for Larry Klayman? That would be their interest in this? They've acted as a conservation culture war front organization in the past.
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Dr. Faustus posted:Department of Justice obtained Mar-a-Lago surveillance tapes after subpoenaing Trump Organization 
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Morroque posted:Isn't Judicial Watch a front organization for Larry Klayman? That would be their interest in this? They've acted as a conservation culture war front organization in the past. Correct. The simple answer is that conservative entities also want to know what's in the warrant, either to use it to attack Trump or to attack the search.
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Aug 10, 2022 20:49
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Morroque posted:Isn't Judicial Watch a front organization for Larry Klayman? That would be their interest in this? They've acted as a conservation culture war front organization in the past. Their obvious goal would be to ridicule it and make it look trivial and politically motivated, regardless of reality.
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Aug 10, 2022 20:50
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Morroque posted:Isn't Judicial Watch a front organization for Larry Klayman? That would be their interest in this? They've acted as a conservation culture war front organization in the past. Technically Larry Klayman doesn't work there anymore after he was forced out, but they are definitely still a conservative watchdog group and shouldn't be trusted to do anything for the right reasons.
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https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283quote:A Secret Service source who spoke on background said the Secret Service director was given advance warning and was later told the specifics of the raid. Lots more detail about scheduling, planning, coordination, even the burden of proof to get the judge to sign the warrant. They ultimately did everything correctly but people are just complaining because someone had a chance to show up and start protesting. It takes a long time to go through a place of that size. It would have been much, much worse if Trump was on the premises. While there wasn't a group of private militia standing ready on the front lawn, he would have tried to get them there within 2hr to escalate the situation to a standoff. fwiw, in addition to "deep state", "raid!", it looks like there's going to be some reaching back to claims of "there was no whistleblower".
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Aug 10, 2022 22:08
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LeeMajors posted:I was a kid during Reagan, but was there a similar streak of automatic defensive bootlicking during like Iran-Contra? Hell, they turned a criminal (Ollie North) into a 'hero'.
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Aug 10, 2022 22:13
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283 So the source considers the raid a spectacular backfire and Garland is trying to distance himself from it. quote:The effort to keep the raid low-key failed: instead, it prompted a furious response from GOP leaders and Trump supporters. "What a spectacular backfire," says the Justice official.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:11
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It backfired because the chuds got mad? They'd get mad no matter what.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:19
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toterunner posted:So the source considers the raid a spectacular backfire and Garland is trying to distance himself from it. That doesn't seem to be what the source is saying at all. Rather, they're saying that the FBI went out of their way to minimize the media profile of the raid, in hopes that it would be more likely to be seen as non-political, but this backfired by making it easier for the GOP to set the narrative.
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toterunner posted:So the source considers the raid a spectacular backfire and Garland is trying to distance himself from it. So i guess the lesson to be learned is that some people are above the law?
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Aug 10, 2022 23:39
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mobby_6kl posted:It backfired because the chuds got mad? They'd get mad no matter what. And they're gonna get mad again when the boat loads of evidence are made public during Trump's prosecution. I guarantee you the decision makers don't give one flying gently caress how chuds react.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:43
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Main Paineframe posted:That doesn't seem to be what the source is saying at all. Rather, they're saying that the FBI went out of their way to minimize the media profile of the raid, in hopes that it would be more likely to be seen as non-political, but this backfired by making it easier for the GOP to set the narrative. I don’t believe that for a second. There is absolutely no way the FBI didn’t expect this to receive exactly the response it got. It was a literal historical event involving an inflammatory GOP hero. Any work they did to minimize the media profile would have been to assure themselves they weren’t making a spectacle out of it, not the GOP.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:46
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toterunner posted:So the source considers the raid a spectacular backfire and Garland is trying to distance himself from it. Newsweek is a rightwing rag now and I don't trust agent Trumper Praetorian guard dipshit opinion on things above hamberder removal. There is no way a federal judge and the FBI director did not cross every t and dot every i on that warrant.
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If (assuming this source is credible and correct which is not established at all) the people who made the decision truly thought this was going to be a low-key non-political thing then they are too stupid to continue working at their jobs or to be trusted with any meaningful decisions.
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Trump admin people think that because they would have done this as shoddily executed political harassment, everyone else is too.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:56
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The people who made this decision don’t give a gently caress about how it looks. I don’t think that would enter into Garland’s decision to okay this or not. Look at his earlier comments re Jan 6. “We intend to hold everyone, anyone who was criminally responsible for the events surrounding Jan. 6, for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another, accountable. That’s what we do. We don’t pay any attention to other issues with respect to that.” The GOP and nutters can scream all they want. Political pressure isn’t going to change the direction of the investigations by the DOJ here.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:59
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The degree to which they cared probably began and ended at whether or not there'd be a body count. They succeeded in that regard, to their credit
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Riptor posted:The degree to which they cared probably began and ended at whether or not there'd be a body count. They succeeded in that regard i hope you're right, cos I almost instinctively added "for now" to the end of that sentence 
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Switzerland posted:i hope you're right, cos I almost instinctively added "for now" to the end of that sentence Of course, people will die from that decision. Given a a large enough time scale, every decision will lead to death.
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toterunner posted:So the source considers the raid a spectacular backfire and Garland is trying to distance himself from it. I don't see that at all; Garland was never going to treat this as something he has to sell. It feels like you rarely see or hear from the man; Fox News has, really, very few soundbites to use when attacking him, if any, aside from his confirmation hearings, I guess.
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Red posted:I don't see that at all; Garland was never going to treat this as something he has to sell. It feels like you rarely see or hear from the man; Fox News has, really, very few soundbites to use when attacking him, if any, aside from his confirmation hearings, I guess. Right. Garland understandably doesn't want this to look like his personal baby, or motivated by any individual and especially political appointees in the agency, sure. But his approach has been to shut up and do his job rather than grandstanding about it. I guess from a certain right-wing tabloid perspective that would qualify as "distancing himself" but that's just since showing off how you're getting the bad guys is how they think police/prosecutors should work.
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MrMojok posted:Even if it’s specifically about the mishandling of classified info, that’s no trivial thing because—- I can think of at least one instance where someone was prosecuted even though there wasn't transfer to a third party.
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Aug 11, 2022 09:41
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So for everyone who wants to have Garland talk... https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1557793686024601601
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Aug 11, 2022 19:23
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Mirotic posted:So for everyone who wants to have Garland talk... That was like 90 seconds long, and he probably felt compelled to do it, given someone in body armor literally attacked an FBI office.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:10
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Red posted:That was like 90 seconds long, and he probably felt compelled to do it, given someone in body armor literally attacked an FBI office. And, here's the motion to unseal parts of the warrant and property receipt, which was filed by a US Attorney in Florida and...  Source: https://twitter.com/SeamusHughes/status/1557806632490377216?t=JVHxZwF4abliKfiS8jFWrw&s=19 Edit - clarified what this motion is for
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He didnt say much that we didnt already know, that this was all legal. Heres a short clip of his short speech. https://twitter.com/NeoJane8/status/1557807696799301632
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Mirotic posted:And, here's the motion to unseal parts of the warrant and property receipt, which was filed by a US Attorney in Florida and... I mean, it's not surprising, and the screams from the hardcore chuds will be "ANOTHER RUSSIA HOAX", but, well God drat
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Mirotic posted:And, here's the motion to unseal parts of the warrant and property receipt, which was filed by a US Attorney in Florida and... LOOKS LIKE TREASON IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!!!  Holy poo poo he's been selling info
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1557811896610394112
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My bets on a bunch of National Security coloring book style briefs he never even opened or read. I bet he treated that stuff like a disconnected C-Suite exec, just throwing ultra detailed financials into a box and forgetting about them.
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BlueBlazer posted:My bets on a bunch of National Security coloring book style briefs he never even opened or read. I bet he treated that stuff like a disconnected C-Suite exec, just throwing ultra detailed financials into a box and forgetting about them.
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TulliusCicero posted:LOOKS LIKE TREASON IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!!! My dumb blind guess is that he showed it to Saudi nationals during that golf tournament for some sort of Quid Pro Quo.
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If the documents were cooked up and planted then it's obvious why he wouldn't want the warrant unsealed. Just all part of the deep-state plan to defame and take down our man.
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It's hard to believe even Trump is dumb enough to think he can sell state secrets without getting caught. They were probably worried about how Trump likes to brag to everyone. You can imagine him down in Mar-a-lago showing every guest all the cool new weapons systems he was briefed on, that he no doubt tells everyone he built personally. All it would take is a Chinese asset to walk in the door and the balance of power in geopolitics changes in a very real way. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Aug 11, 2022 21:12
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Seems like we won't have to wait two weeks for the climax! https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1557818979858653185
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-Blackadder- posted:It's hard to believe even Trump is dumb enough to think he can sell state secrets without getting caught. Maybe that's the real reason Nancy went to Taiwan; they were briefed on an eyes only document that said new policy is if China invades Taiwan's on its own and he showed people it.
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mobby_6kl posted:Seems like we won't have to wait two weeks for the climax!  Here I thought we would have to wait for September for hearings. Christmas came early everyone! Lmao Meadows squealed like a fat hog
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TulliusCicero posted:
Gimme the goods!! Also, more news? Sure why not! (nb: Elaine Chao is married to Mitch McConnell.) https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1557819461956157444?t=tT5titA03Xpys97-eCPsGg&s=19
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TulliusCicero posted:
I'm excited too, but after considering it for a bit, I think it's more likely than not that Trump will object to this. He can always make up some bullshit about why (audit, etc), if it's released that 15 boxes of top secret poo poo were recovered from his basement, it would be more difficult to spin.
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