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How exactly is America going to "surge ahead"? What is this based on?
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Aug 10, 2022 22:18
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Antonymous posted:which island, Taiwan? It's 100 or so miles away. Kinmen and Matsu are within artillary range. I don't think Penghu is. PLA rocket artillery goes way farther than 100 miles doesn’t it? where’s FF when you need him
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Aug 10, 2022 22:20
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unwantedplatypus posted:How exactly is America going to "surge ahead"? What is this based on? I’ve just seen people who know a lot more about that stuff like Ardennes and FF talk about that like it was accepted fact and I figure they know more than me about military tech
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Aug 10, 2022 22:21
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indigi posted:I just hope the PRC is really prepared to play the century-long game and remain relatively stoic in the face of US goading. even if their “window” for peak military competitiveness in the US is the late 20s until the US surges ahead again, that’s clearly not going to be a sustainable situation for America. better to just wait til the 2060s when the western pacific block is less hot the assumption that western wunderwaffe will bridge the gap there is completely delusional. the United States could have a laser satellite that could give you a circumcision from near-orbit and it wouldn't matter because of bad weather. cutting edge technology doesn't matter if you can't use it, and there's no conceivable situation where China will lose material superiority in the strait barring the decades anticipated collapse finally happening.
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Aug 10, 2022 22:32
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indigi posted:PLA rocket artillery goes way farther than 100 miles doesn’t it? where’s FF when you need him it is a good question. I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHL-03 which says they have a variant which reaches 99 miles, so could hit the coastal defenses of Taiwan assuming it works well at its max capability. they also have 20+ of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHL-16
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Aug 10, 2022 22:32
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indigi posted:PLA rocket artillery goes way farther than 100 miles doesn’t it? where’s FF when you need him PLA MLRS range from 120 to 380km depending on configuration. GlassEye-Boy has issued a correction as of 22:41 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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Aug 10, 2022 22:37
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the central mountains are pretty tall and shadow the east coast where a lot of air fields and military installations are. Would that shield them from rockets? the east coast is also like double the distance as the west coast.
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Aug 10, 2022 22:43
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the only way to win is not to play
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Aug 10, 2022 22:47
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indigi posted:I just hope the PRC is really prepared to play the century-long game and remain relatively stoic in the face of US goading. even if their “window” for peak military competitiveness in the US is the late 20s until the US surges ahead again, that’s clearly not going to be a sustainable situation for America. better to just wait til the 2060s when the western pacific block is less hot i think the best the world can hope for is america's own internal contradictions does it in
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Aug 10, 2022 22:56
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Antonymous posted:the central mountains are pretty tall and shadow the east coast where a lot of air fields and military installations are. Would that shield them from rockets? the east coast is also like double the distance as the west coast. I'm pretty sure the base I accidentally wandered on to would get hit just fine by any rockets in range, even up on the hills on the east coast. In my defense the warning signs were all in Chinese and I don't know the characters for "coastal defense battery"
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Aug 10, 2022 23:14
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the idea of america suddenly getting their poo poo together and stopping the rapid decay of every institution through massive corruption at every level of government and culture should make you laugh. it is a complete joke. we peaked in the 90s and will never get back to that end of history high at this point china can just wait probably 20, 30 years at most and the west will devour itself. no need for them to do anything externally
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Aug 10, 2022 23:17
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The idea that America will lose its place in the sun in the 21st century hasn't actually penetrated into popular conciousness in any way. When it does, the results will probably be pretty bad! They throw out these assertions as a matter of course. Because we passed the end of history, and the american political economy is better than the chinese political economy; which was proven by the collapse of the soviet union and the subsequent introduction of markets to China. Any trends away from our natural dominance are either lies or temporary deviations.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:22
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See the US is not going to let you wait 30 years. I think the current US elites' plan is to force TSMC to move to US ASAF, and then they will provoke Beijing (by making DPP hold an independent referendum or whatever) The current DPP government is such a puppet of the US, they actually have been helping US force to TSMC move.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:27
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stephenthinkpad posted:See the US is not going to let you wait 30 years. I think the current US elites' plan is to force TSMC to move to US ASAF, and then they will provoke Beijing (by making DPP hold an independent referendum or whatever) how will the everyday American PC gamer be impacted by this move?
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Aug 10, 2022 23:33
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Mantis42 posted:If war ever broke out, the RAND corporation believes the dread saurians will quickly overcome NATO forces in the Fulda Gap. More and more people are saying this. Better invest in the NATO CoC DLCs for anti large units.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:36
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It seems like America is getting worse, not better, at developing weapons and I've seen no indication that is changing. The workhorse of the military is still old hardware and the big 'pivot to China' is not changing how insanely broken the US MIC is. So, the longer a potential US adversary waits the older and more broken the reliable hardware gets and is replaced by useless patched over grift. OTOH, with the US tied up supporting Ukraine and all the economic chaos the US/Europe is experiencing with their Russia sanctions this might seem a tempting time to prod the US. The scary part is that the US has no real way to threaten China militarily (any of the navy close enough to support Taiwan is getting insta sunk) beyond nuclear. Since China has a different nuclear deterrence strategy compared to Russia I'd be afraid the foreign policy blob might convince itself it can win a nuclear war.
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Aug 10, 2022 23:41
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Its not just the development of new toys, the US military is having a hell of time maintaining the equipment it has The hope is that as processes mature maintenence for the newer equipment they have will get cheaper but its not happening Ships and subs can be in drydock for insane amount of time. Lockheed is more busy building new f35s than providing upgrades or even parts for the ones that already delivered. The military is having an unprecedented hiring shortage and even then more of the work that soldiers would do is falling to contractors. On contracts that are paying more money for less manpower than before
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Aug 11, 2022 00:00
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Its not just the development of new toys, the US military is having a hell of time maintaining the equipment it has us military went from being a direct tool of capital to being another parasite of it between korea and vietnam you hate to see it
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Aug 11, 2022 00:02
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stephenthinkpad posted:See the US is not going to let you wait 30 years. I think the current US elites' plan is to force TSMC to move to US ASAF, and then they will provoke Beijing (by making DPP hold an independent referendum or whatever) that would be crazy for Taiwan to do. TSMC and that infrastructure is by far the primary reason US capital is interested in them, if they capture everything they need who’s going to pay all these think tanks and working groups to beat the war drum? why would they?
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Aug 11, 2022 00:14
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https://twitter.com/Itmechr3/status/1417650987972628481 If you look at per capita cabon emissions the US is easily in the top 10, and China is very low on that list.
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Aug 11, 2022 00:17
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/Itmechr3/status/1417650987972628481 surprisingly US is 11th, and Canada is 6th somehow China 28th (world bank rankings through 2019 carbon data)
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Aug 11, 2022 00:23
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Mantis42 posted:idk anything about dsa drama. as for the humor value, it's all subjective but if you read cspam and the same twitter poo poo we all do then i don't see how chapo is any different taste-wise. it's all of a piece for me. chapo had good humor in the early trump days but I get the sense that they have been aping cumtown too hard. plus like 70% of their poo poo doesn't land or has become about increasingly niche topics in politics
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Aug 11, 2022 00:24
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/Itmechr3/status/1417650987972628481 This "look at China's emissions!" poo poo always freaks me the hell out cause they always stop short of telling us how many Chinese people they think should be killed but I know someone somewhere has that math sorted out. Edit: just Googled  
DiscountDildos has issued a correction as of 00:34 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Aug 11, 2022 00:29
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DiscountDildos posted:This "look at China's emissions!" poo poo always freaks me the hell out cause they always stop short of telling us how many Chinese people they think should be killed but I know someone somewhere has that math sorted out. they’d argue nobody has to be killed but no further QOL improvements can be made until enough fossil fuels are phased out to offset any development
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Aug 11, 2022 00:34
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DiscountDildos posted:This "look at China's emissions!" poo poo always freaks me the hell out cause they always stop short of telling us how many Chinese people they think should be killed but I know someone somewhere has that math sorted out. I remember someone citing this very same table to claim that China was #1
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Aug 11, 2022 00:38
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https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/defending-democracy-parameters-of-western-resolve-may-soon-be-tested-20220809-p5b8ed.htmlquote:First, and most important, governments must inform their citizens about the virtue of protecting democracy, wherever it occurs and whatever form it takes. This is not a simple ask. Several surveys in recent years (including in Australia) have noted increasing dissatisfaction with “democracy”. This is a major challenge. Increasing interest rates and costs of living in many nations, including our own, also means that our citizens will have little tolerance for discretionary spending on what they might see as “yet another” foreign war. The reality is that all democracies matter. Possibly one of the worst sentences created by man quote:In the novels featuring detective Harry Bosch, the main character has a saying that ‘everyone matters, or no one matters’. Democracies are the same. If one is not worth defending, why are any of them? This is an argument most reasonable people are likely to understand. But it will take more effort from governments (including our own) to build a deeper understanding of the issue. I guess the western line is now that there is literally nothing a 'democracy' can do to not oblige us to start a war over It?
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Aug 11, 2022 00:41
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/defending-democracy-parameters-of-western-resolve-may-soon-be-tested-20220809-p5b8ed.html If apples aren't good at making orange juice, why are any fruit
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Aug 11, 2022 00:43
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Nobody will ever figure why their votes don't work for them if voting was so good
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Aug 11, 2022 01:30
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9PvLZJ5hNU DiscountDildos has issued a correction as of 01:34 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Aug 11, 2022 01:31
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indigi posted:that would be crazy for Taiwan to do. TSMC and that infrastructure is by far the primary reason US capital is interested in them, if they capture everything they need who’s going to pay all these think tanks and working groups to beat the war drum? why would they? Lets sell off the only thing that is keeping this island afloat, very good idea
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Aug 11, 2022 01:44
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DiscountDildos posted:This "look at China's emissions!" poo poo always freaks me the hell out cause they always stop short of telling us how many Chinese people they think should be killed but I know someone somewhere has that math sorted out. gradenko_2000 posted:I remember someone citing this very same table to claim that China was #1 yes it made me lmao UnknownTarget posted:Sorry comrade; https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/ everyone then proceeds to call him a moron
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Aug 11, 2022 02:56
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Oh nooo I didn't scroll right. Whoops. All of my other points are invalidated. I bazinga'd myself. You guys are the smartest and Xi Jinping's status as ruler for life is truly the greatest way forward
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Aug 11, 2022 02:58
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Antonymous posted:which island, Taiwan? It's 100 or so miles away. Kinmen and Matsu are within artillary range. I don't think Penghu is. i was surprised to learn that taiwan is closer to china than tasmania is to the australian mainland. it really is extremely close. also, tasmania is like 1% the size of the mainland and taiwan is 0.3% the size of china
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Aug 11, 2022 02:58
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https://twitter.com/InterestingsAsF/status/1556939394170654720?s=20&t=u4GEohZ0Cbi3lT-CiHlVew
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Aug 11, 2022 02:59
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DiscountDildos posted:https://twitter.com/InterestingsAsF/status/1556939394170654720?s=20&t=u4GEohZ0Cbi3lT-CiHlVew not shown; an enormous pile of garbage that looks kinda like money.
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Aug 11, 2022 03:42
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I'm not sure anyone really knows what happens in the US if China takes out an aircraft carrier.
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Aug 11, 2022 03:44
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Atrocious Joe posted:I'm not sure anyone really knows what happens in the US if China takes out an aircraft carrier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlB2YkA8dHc
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Aug 11, 2022 03:47
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Atrocious Joe posted:I'm not sure anyone really knows what happens in the US if China takes out an aircraft carrier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhrVDnUgHCM
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Aug 11, 2022 04:14
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Not So Fast posted:They seem like a standard anti-imperialist anti-Israel account? going to need someone to link this account
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Aug 11, 2022 04:26
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indigi posted:surprisingly US is 11th, and Canada is 6th somehow This is because Canada hosts a ton of mining companies because of favourable legal conditions. Realistically could just consider Canada and US emissions together
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Aug 11, 2022 04:50
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