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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I mean I already did? Can you please link a single climate model or analysis from a major climate group that says the IRA will do basically nothing or increase emissions? Why do you think literally every other model shows the same range? Did they all collude with Exxon? Why is every major climate model and climate scientist in general agreement and why has every major climate group from Evergreen Action to the Natural Resources Defense council to the United Nations been hoodwinked and missed this thing that you have googled? TheIncredulousHulk posted:Oh okay I misread the CRS release. You are right, tripling the land available for lease in a year is not that much in comparison In addition to misreading it, you are also confusing the difference in how you measure extraction totals vs. what the bill uses a a legal mechanism to prevent the President from just cancelling all leases. "X acres of land" is not a measure of how much oil/gas they are extracting. There are 10 million acres of federal land that produce less oil and gas than a 20,000 square feet block in the Gulf. That is the legal mechanism they are using for enforcement. That is why I'd like to see some of the stuff you googled. Because you've misunderstood a lot of important things so far and I am open to the idea that all the major climate models are wrong (modeling is hard! But, that is also why they give large ranges), but it seems really weird to me that every major model and every major climate advocacy group basically agrees with the same general range of estimates and I'd need something conclusive to determine that they all got it wrong by roughly the same amount. Why would the Exxon PR Psy Op produce the same results as the Natural Resource Defense Council's estimate? Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:It's been pretty encouraging to read a lot of the analysis in this thread about the bill. After being stuck in several consecutive years of pretty much bad news everyday all day, A little bit of hope on the climate front is very welcome. Even the best estimates are that this only gets us a little less than 70% of the way to the Paris Accord goals. It basically makes it possible to hit the goals by 2030 (which also make it a lot more likely to hit the 2050 goals), but still needs to get that extra ~30% of the way there in the next 6 years or so. If the rest of the world gets even close to their goals, then we will almost certainly avoid the doomsday scenario of >2.5 degrees Celsius global temperature changes, but we are still a little ways off from the goal of less than 1.5 degrees Celsius global temperature change. We also can't control India, China, Russia, and Brazil. So, if they fall below their targets, then the rest of the world needs to slightly over-perform to cover. But, climate change also isn't determined by hard progress bars, so every bit counts. It's breathing room and a good start, but we still need to do more to actually hit the finish line. From a political standpoint, I am honestly surprised that they ended up making the main meat of the bill climate change stuff. It is one of the most important, but least politically sexy issues and that is usually not how Congress operates (especially in a midterm year). It doesn't make a lot of sense when there is a lot more political low-hanging fruit, but I guess you gotta take a win when Congress actually does something on those issues that are usually ignored. The IRA is really not a great bunch of issues - tax increases, climate change, and preventing a disaster with health care premiums, but not changing the status quo from the last 1.5 years - from a political midterm turnout perspective. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Jaxyon posted:I mean you talked about it. Ok sure The explanation that the current study is based on the Net-Zero America study can be found here That study being funded by ExxonMobil and BP is mentioned in the text of the study itself, on page 5, where the authors thank them specifically for it The renewal of Princeton's funding deal with ExxonMobil can be found in this press release by Princeton here Many academics do not like this practice, as evidence by this open letter signed by 500 of them months ago, and Mann himself is quoted in the article decrying it. Maybe they didn't mean this one in particular though. You'd have to ask them Michael Mann posted:“This sort of funding has been used to compromise leading academic institutions. It’s a two-for for polluters: they purchase the imprimatur of these institutions and their presumed authority and objectivity, while funding research that often translates into advocacy for false solutions and ‘kick the can down the road’ prescriptions like massive carbon capture, which is unproven at scale, and geoengineering, which is downright dangerous. That is entirely the wrong path forward.” Yeah idk maybe he's talking about other leading academic institutions, I dunno Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Can you please link a single climate model or analysis from a major climate group that says the IRA will do basically nothing or increase emissions? I don't think I ever claimed this, or anything remotely like this, so I don't know why you're asking me to link it. All I said was that evilweasel was incorrect to call projections from studies factual(which is true) and laid out some reasons I had to view the study and the bill with skepticism
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Oh of course. Folks who rag on conservatives for “hypocrisy” are either jealous or fools. I like to keep very close tabs on the hypocrisy because it is informative about the actual self-definitions of privilege that identify their actual ideology. at the same time, it is very funny
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I don't think I ever claimed this, or anything remotely like this, so I don't know why you're asking me to link it. All I said was that evilweasel was incorrect to call projections from studies factual(which is true) and laid out some reasons I had to view the study and the bill with skepticism I went back and reread the initial conversation and that is fair. I apologize. Do you know of any major study or climate group assessment that shows dramatically different results from the other major models/climatologists? I thought your point was that the results of the Princeton study (which match the others) were unreasonably optimistic. In other news, they may have found a cure for one of the major types of colorectal cancer. Rectal cancer has about a 32% mortality rate over 5 years. They have run these experimental trials on 18 patients and all 18 were fully cured of their cancer with no chemotherapy or radiation required. The test was limited to a specific type of colorectal cancer that is caused by a genetic mutation that is responsible for about 10% of instances of colorectal cancer, but they are optimistic that a larger trial with other types of colorectal cancer will produce similar results. The only major unknown about the treatment is whether it works after the cancer has spread to other parts of the body. All the test patients had cancer that had not spread beyond the colon. https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1557517152407666695 quote:Experimental immunotherapy treatment changes lives for cancer patients in small trial Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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>>> awesome news about curong a certian kind of rectal cancer AW, YEAH. GO CANCER RESEARCHERS GO!
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Twincityhacker posted:>>> awesome news about curong a certian kind of rectal cancer The drug (dostarlimab) was approved last year for treatment of endometrial cancer and solid tumors with the MMRd mutation and is in Phase I/II trials for non-small-cell lung cancer. Hopefully the success in the colorectal cancer trial will repeat itself in other cancers.
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Gort posted:What are these, out of interest? If you've got 25 minutes to spare, James Duane gave a lecture about why you should never, ever talk to the police because of how easily they can twist whatever language you use to describe something or to answer a question as an admission of guilt. While the courtroom setting is rather different than a roadside stop or an interrogation room, the message is more or less the same: the slightest slip of the tongue or misremembered fact can land you in some serious trouble. If you don't have the time to spare, here's an example of what Duane did to illustrate his point during the lecture: he describes an incident where several were murdered in a "gangland-style slaying". A while later, he asked the audience to raise their hands if they remembered him describing how many people were shot to death in the incident. Those that did were now prosecutable, because they provided information that only the killer would know: he didn't specify that there a gun was used, he just used the term "gangland-style slaying". In real life this is obvious "gotcha" bullshit and weasel wordplay, but law is not real life despite having real life consequences.
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A thought occurs It was around this time in August of 2016 when it was first reported that Paul Manafort was working for the Russians It's sort of poetic that the FBI raids Mar-a-lago on the 6th anniversary of that news breaking
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the stochastic terror epidemic has found a new timely target https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:the stochastic terror epidemic has found a new timely target This follows almost every Republican making insane claims about how the FBI is doing a political hitjob on the rightful president.
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I love the evolution of Republican talking points about the IRS hiring funds in the Inflation Reduction Act. It's gone from the truth, which is that it's funds for hiring 87k IRS employees of all kinds, including for replacing existing employees as they retire, to: 1. All 87k will be enforcing tax law and auditing. 2. All 87k will be auditing middle-class Americans. 3. All 87k will have guns. https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1557710812185231361
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:the stochastic terror epidemic has found a new timely target Sodomy Hussein posted:This follows almost every Republican making insane claims about how the FBI is doing a political hitjob on the rightful president. Real grim poo poo that my first thought was 'better than a grocery store I guess'.
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skylined! posted:Real grim poo poo that my first thought was 'better than a grocery store I guess'. You should definitely be alarmed that it took less than a business week for this to go from Kevin McCarthy's mouth to action by the cult.
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William Bear posted:I love the evolution of Republican talking points about the IRS hiring funds in the Inflation Reduction Act. It's gone from the truth, which is that it's funds for hiring 87k IRS employees of all kinds, including for replacing existing employees as they retire, to: Given the rhetoric coming from Republicans, maybe they should be armed.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:You should definitely be alarmed that it took less than a business week for this to go from Kevin McCarthy's mouth to action by the cult. Welcome to the future baby! There ain't no brakes on this train, we're only gonna go faster from here on out.
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William Bear posted:I love the evolution of Republican talking points about the IRS hiring funds in the Inflation Reduction Act. It's gone from the truth, which is that it's funds for hiring 87k IRS employees of all kinds, including for replacing existing employees as they retire, to: Why are you infringing on people's 2nd Amendment Rights, MTG? How are those IRS agents supposed to protect themselves from 50,000 wild feral hogs?
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Random law question: how in the hell would jury selection work if Trump ever wound up in an actual trial? Like where on earth can you find 13 people who don't have some kind of pre-existing bias?
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Randalor posted:How are those IRS agents supposed to protect themselves from 50,000 wild feral hogs? Calling the GOP hogs is a new one.
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Crain posted:Calling the GOP hogs is a new one. Nah I think it's a chapo thing
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It's a third generational reference to this extremely memed out tweet: https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158045307562856448
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Sodomy Hussein posted:You should definitely be alarmed that it took less than a business week for this to go from Kevin McCarthy's mouth to action by the cult. McCarthy is one of the dumbest mutherfuckers in Congress. All the smart R's kept their mouths shut because they knew this was coming and they didn't want to eat it. And now every dumbass that ran their dumb loving yap has this on them. All that energy and sympathy they had on their side. Boom. Republicans are shooting up FBI buildings. Hows that for a campaign talking point. Just the dumbest mutherfuckers.
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-Blackadder- posted:McCarthy is one of the dumbest mutherfuckers in Congress. They'll probably try to blame it on "Antifa" as well, since that's literally their only move
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Kalli posted:It's a third generational reference to this extremely memed out tweet: Basically. Though considering people are now taking literal shots at the FBI, I'm leaning towards meaning this one: Crain posted:Calling the GOP hogs is a new one.
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Kalli posted:It's a third generational reference to this extremely memed out tweet: There were a couple articles where they talked to real wildlife experts and the consensus was A. Like most wild animals, they don't like loud noises so a couple gunshots should scatter them B. It's called a fence, dumbass
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Mendrian posted:Random law question: how in the hell would jury selection work if Trump ever wound up in an actual trial? Like where on earth can you find 13 people who don't have some kind of pre-existing bias? You can't find people without pre-existing biases. That's not how humans work. The goal is to find people with modest enough biases on the relevant issues that they can still be swayed with sufficiently compelling evidence. But even that seems like it might be impractical when prosecuting Trump. Given that the feds don't like going to trial without a clear path to victory, I have been wondering what their plan is for that. And that has lent, for me, some credibility to the theory that the raid was primarily about securing classified documents. Beyond that, it's possible that any charges being brought will be brought against people who worked for Trump who may have improperly handled documents, lied about what documents they had, or other related issues. Because, yeah, I'm not sure it's possible to convict Trump himself. And I'd think him being a former president would make the DOJ less inclined to take a swing at a trial they might not win, not more, and they are already strongly disinclined to do that in general.
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Randalor posted:Why are you infringing on people's 2nd Amendment Rights, MTG? How are those IRS agents supposed to protect themselves from 50,000 wild feral hogs? Meme reference or not I'd watch the hell out of a movie based off armed IRS v 50,000 wild hogs. Like it would be basically impossible to make a movie about that and have it not be entertaining.
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Angry_Ed posted:They'll probably try to blame it on "Antifa" as well, since that's literally their only move Yeah, conservatives already have the Right Wing Terror Attack narratives on auto-reply. If Shooter=Brown Person Then Run Racism-IllegalImmigrants If Shooter=White Person Then Run TroubledLoneWolf If Shooter=Clearly Republican Then Run FalseFlag-ActuallyADemocrat
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Mendrian posted:Random law question: how in the hell would jury selection work if Trump ever wound up in an actual trial? Like where on earth can you find 13 people who don't have some kind of pre-existing bias? It would be impossible to find 13 people that don't know who Trump is. But, they probably just need to find 13 people that are completely totally disconnected from politics. Like people that never vote, people that don't know how many branches of government we have etc. That should depressingly easy in the US.
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dr_rat posted:Meme reference or not I'd watch the hell out of a movie based off armed IRS v 50,000 wild hogs. Like it would be basically impossible to make a movie about that and have it not be entertaining. I.R.S. Intentional Reduction of Swine “Your audit is due, and I’ve got ALL THE RECEIPTS!” Starring Paul Rudd as Irwin.
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Charliegrs posted:It would be impossible to find 13 people that don't know who Trump is. But, they probably just need to find 13 people that are completely totally disconnected from politics. Like people that never vote, people that don't know how many branches of government we have etc. That should depressingly easy in the US. You realize those people are basically going to be like this: https://twitter.com/TikTokInvestors/status/1555390848279293952 https://twitter.com/TikTokInvestors/status/1549954425782882304
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Eric Cantonese posted:You realize those people are basically going to be like this: So your average American? Yes. Unfortunately.
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Charliegrs posted:It would be impossible to find 13 people that don't know who Trump is. But, they probably just need to find 13 people that are completely totally disconnected from politics. Like people that never vote, people that don't know how many branches of government we have etc. That should depressingly easy in the US. In what may be one of the most ironic moments in political history, Trump*, no doubt due to his reality TV star antics, likely had a positive impact on political engagement and thereby civics knowledge. As of 2021 only 56% of Americans can actually name all three branches of government. But that number was 33% in 2006, and 36% in 2014. *other factors like internet access also probably significantly contributed
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Edward Mass posted:Here comes Garland. Emerges out of a cloud of aerosolized adrenochrome looking beautiful... 
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