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danbanana posted:Helping to awaken a murderous space god because "it'll have the soul of us, a bunch of robot-like immortals and me, Mr. Superhero Prison" is pretty loving bad as far as ideas go. He asks for beasts help
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I like how they were "SINISTER YOU DON'T GET TO TOUCH ANYTHING" but let Tony get free-reign. Just absolute dipshittery all around.
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Aug 11, 2022 14:26
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The god child of competing religious sects, an industrialist, and Mr. loving Sinister has skewed morals? pikachuface.gif
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Aug 11, 2022 16:04
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sinister would gently caress it up on purpose. stark would only gently caress it up by accident. it's completely different!
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Aug 11, 2022 16:27
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i mean eternals celestia ends with ajak plotting to kill the avengers so I'm guessing letting Tony in is intentional
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Aug 11, 2022 16:33
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Hey everyone will be fine so long as the god thinks there are more good people than bad people.
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Aug 11, 2022 21:52
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If they didn't make the celestial, the X-Men are dead. It was also the Eternals' idea, and it worked. Just not quite the way they intended!
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Aug 11, 2022 21:58
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To be fair, it was an insane Hail Mary that did exactly what they wanted. It just didn't stop there... It's a good story though, and am eager to see where it goes.
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Aug 11, 2022 22:16
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MonsterEnvy posted:Hey everyone will be fine so long as the god thinks there are more good people than bad people. Except all the 'bad people' will be dead, given humanity is being judged both individually and collectively.
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Aug 11, 2022 22:48
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Yvonmukluk posted:Except all the 'bad people' will be dead, given humanity is being judged both individually and collectively. Beast dies twice then?
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Aug 11, 2022 23:07
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I don't think the Celestial is gonna kill individuals. I think it's just meant to say that each individual will be judged and then added to the collective total, and if there are more just than bad, they all live. If more wicked than good, they all die.
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Aug 11, 2022 23:12
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The Punisher better be working overtime to get those wicked numbers down in 24 hours.
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Aug 12, 2022 00:55
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Sesq posted:The Punisher better be working overtime to get those wicked numbers down in 24 hours. He's got an entire army of ninja now, so it shouldn't take long.
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Aug 12, 2022 00:59
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danbanana posted:Helping to awaken a murderous space god because "it'll have the soul of us, a bunch of robot-like immortals and me, Mr. Superhero Prison" is pretty loving bad as far as ideas go. I mean the alternate is "Krakoa dies in 5 minutes" so lesser of two evils, y'know?
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TwoPair posted:I mean the alternate is "Krakoa dies in 5 minutes" so lesser of two evils, y'know? Gonna suggest that if you had time to break into Asgard to steal poo poo, you- a group of people who have saved the world countless times-probably had a few minutes to whiteboard ideas other than "raise a spacegod who previously tried to exterminate us from the dead." Also, this plan requires you to find a new place to live, Avengers.
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Aug 12, 2022 12:14
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The Avengers get new houses every few years. They're used to it and keep most their poo poo in storage. The X-Men do similar, but only because their house gets blown up every couple years.
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Aug 12, 2022 14:15
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Yeah I don't think "oh no we need a new house" is gonna phase Tony Stark, the guy who's lost multiple large mansions and multinational conglomerates over the years but who has kept on chugging along being Comic Book Rich anyway
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Aug 12, 2022 22:52
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danbanana posted:Gonna suggest that if you had time to break into Asgard to steal poo poo, you- a group of people who have saved the world countless times-probably had a few minutes to whiteboard ideas other than "raise a spacegod who previously tried to exterminate us from the dead." What's the other plan? Start killing Eternals? Because then that leads directly to innocent people getting killed. The X-Men and Avengers don't know this, but the Eternals who are helping them do. It was the best option they had. And they thought they instilled a sense or morality in the new Celestial, which they did, but it didn't work like they wanted.
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Codependent Poster posted:What's the other plan? Start killing Eternals? Because then that leads directly to innocent people getting killed. The X-Men and Avengers don't know this, but the Eternals who are helping them do. But Ajak was planning this resurrection-unbeknownst to everyone else-for a while. It's why they abducted Sinister! Someone appears with the guy I hate most and says "oh u need help us and this rear end in a top hat raise this angry dead spacegod," I think that plan should be vetted a bit more.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Yeah I don't think "oh no we need a new house" is gonna phase Tony Stark, the guy who's lost multiple large mansions and multinational conglomerates over the years but who has kept on chugging along being Comic Book Rich anyway I think it is funny that every time he "goes broke" someone is like "hey I thought you were broke!" and he's like "lol no I'm rich person broke, not normal mortal broke here, let me light your cigarette off a million dollar bill"
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Aug 13, 2022 02:26
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Time to push the Franklin reset button again I guess. 
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danbanana posted:But Ajak was planning this resurrection-unbeknownst to everyone else-for a while. It's why they abducted Sinister! Would it have been more reasonable to workshop other potential solutions a bit first? Yes. Would Tony Stark have been the one to do so when given the opportunity to create a god? Absolutely not.
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Tony was more concerned with showing up Reed by reviving a dead space god than the possible consequences.
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Aug 15, 2022 18:37
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Tony WAS a space god 5 months ago.
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I thought the moment where the Avengers had to dip out to literally prevent the fallout from the battle from causing mass devastation and then all the bad guy mutants are like 'OH OF COURSE, ONCE AGAIN, THE FLATSCAN SUPERHEROES LEAVE MUTANTKIND TO FEND FOR OURSELVES" was pretty good Not that there couldn't be more solidarity in the community, but I always find that argument pretty ridiculous when it comes from the good guys. Like, if cover dates are anything to go by, the Avengers were getting ping-ponged around the multiverse by Kang when the Sentinels hit Genosha. Hell, the X-Men themselves were literally not there because they were too busy getting made fools of by Cassandra Nova.
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Aug 16, 2022 02:48
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Seeing Cap and Cyclops on mostly the same page is nice. I’m still waiting for the ultimate ricochet combo.
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Aug 16, 2022 05:47
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I mean there's that time Genosha was kidnapping, torturing and enslaving children and American citizens and the government knew about it and not even a panel saying "too bad the Avengers are off in space."
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the avengers did get involved with genosha once, but that was a peak 90's crossover so the less said about it the better.
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When have the Avengers getting involved with X-Men business actually helped? I don't think they really helped with House of M. Maybe Onslaught? I think the X-Men are usually better off handling their own poo poo.
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Without the Avengers, they wouldn't have been able to stop Onslaught, so yeah, I'd say they were helpful there in the immediate term but whoops it also made it look like the X-Men killed the Avengers which was very bad!
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Codependent Poster posted:I think the X-Men are usually better off handling their own poo poo. Good point. They're doing GREAT.
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Skwirl posted:I mean there's that time Genosha was kidnapping, torturing and enslaving children and American citizens and the government knew about it and not even a panel saying "too bad the Avengers are off in space." that's less a "Why didn't the Avengers help mutants?" question and more a "Why don't superheroes go around overthrowing hosed up regimes?" question, which there is a lot of material about I also think the question of scale is a funny one. Even with the George Perez splash page-y "Everyone is a reserve Avenger!" style lineups, I'm pretty sure the mutant talent pool runs a fair bit deeper I guess that's part of the fundamental paradox around mutant metaphor; Mattie Mutant might be about as helpless as your average homosapiens, but because the X-Men and most associated characters are all superheroes (and there's a lot of them, and many of them are basically demigods) it can almost seem like the powerful mutants LET the oppression happen which is something that Krakoa at least conceptually helps address
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OnimaruXLR posted:that's less a "Why didn't the Avengers help mutants?" question and more a "Why don't superheroes go around overthrowing hosed up regimes?" question, which there is a lot of material about I mean, Krakoa isn't the first time this has been directly addressed. There was Asteroid M, Magneto's Genosha, Utopia. How did all of those end? And how are things going on Krakoa at the moment?
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well uh currently all sentient creatures on the planet are possibly going to get obliterated so it seems like things are going about as usual
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https://twitter.com/ClaremontRun/status/1559884012646273030 https://twitter.com/ClaremontRun/status/1559884014877540355
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Kieron Gillen gives a bad reading order for AXE: Death to Mutants #1 and X-Men #13:quote:In terms of other tie-ins this week, I’ll make a special mention of X-men 13, which covers exactly the same period as Death to the Mutants, with the ball passing between them at various points. If you’re wondering, there really is no correct reading over between them.
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Todays X-Men issue was just a loving delight. The art, the characterizations,each character was given a moment to shine and showing off powers in refreshing ways. I started listening into team members who had awesome moments and it was pretty much the entire roster so I stopped. Great writing above all else. Edit: I almost forgot that it’s a Marvel Event tie-in issue
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:Todays X-Men issue was just a loving delight. The art, the characterizations,each character was given a moment to shine and showing off powers in refreshing ways. I started listening into team members who had awesome moments and it was pretty much the entire roster so I stopped. Great writing above all else. yeah, Dauterman continues to deliver. I really liked the interaction between Havok and Magik.
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Cloks posted:yeah, Dauterman continues to deliver. I really liked the interaction between Havok and Magik. Havoc had impeccable logic but still an rear end in a top hat and I love it
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x-force has tie in decorations but isnt a tie in at all? what the gently caress.
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