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I'm confused how Trump even managed to get something like sensitive nuclear weapon information out of the White House and why it even on paper in the first place.
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Star Man posted:I'm confused how Trump even managed to get something like sensitive nuclear weapon information out of the White House and why it even on paper in the first place. He was the president. The president decides what's classified and what's not, sets security policy, and is at the top of the executive and military org charts. If you want the president to take national security more seriously, elect a better president
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Aug 12, 2022 04:03
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Paracaidas posted:On sourcing, WaPo kindly gives us onestop shopping in the piece quoted above: Agreed that this is relatively unlikely to be from investigators; because the media are all now expressing caution about the extent and details of the original claim, it means they can't get more info from the original source- and that there were likely only a couple sources to provide the initial "nuclear" claim, and that the same information or leak is the basis for all public reporting on the claim.
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Aug 12, 2022 04:05
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haveblue posted:He was the president. The president decides what's classified and what's not, sets security policy, and is at the top of the executive and military org charts. If you want the president to take national security more seriously, elect a better president It's Trump, so anything is possible. I just would think that there'd be some kind of measure to make sure that crap stays in a secure location and is only available to the President in a secure manner.
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Aug 12, 2022 04:20
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I mean, it's Donald Trump, so I imagine the truth of the matter is far stupider than we can conceive up. Not to say it's not serious, just that the circumstances will be absolutely, mind-bogglingly dumb and weird if/when we learn the full truth.
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Aug 12, 2022 04:22
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Let's see how many federal employees get shot at tomorrow https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1557889531935850499 edit: probably not long until someone gets hurt at this rate. https://twitter.com/thislouis/status/1557797401796038657 Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Aug 12, 2022 04:24
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Star Man posted:It's Trump, so anything is possible. I just would think that there'd be some kind of measure to make sure that crap stays in a secure location and is only available to the President in a secure manner. There's not. This is why it's important not to elect Trump.
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Aug 12, 2022 04:34
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Can a president get impeached after they are out of office? I know the question sounds dumb because that's basically what happened with Trump's 2nd impeachment but what I mean is can the impeachment be initiated say almost 2 years after he's out of office? I don't remember the specifics but wasn't Trump's 2nd impeachment started while he was still in office?
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Aug 12, 2022 04:37
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https://twitter.com/mc_nietzsche/status/1557927774593204225?s=21&t=XiCs0HfTBgY8_4ofimUZaA
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Is the location of all of our land-based ICBMs basically known or are a bunch of them hidden in classified locations? The real prize would be anything that spelled out ways to locate our boomers (no not those boomers 👴, the submarines that carry trident 2s or whatever those sea based ICBMs are called nowadays) Our adversaries would basically pay all of the money for such information cr0y fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Aug 12, 2022 04:45
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cr0y posted:Is the location of all of our land-based ICBMs basically known or are a bunch of them hidden in classified locations? The real prize would be anything that spelled out ways to locate our boomers (no not those boomers 👴, the submarines that carry trident 2s or whatever those sea based ICBMs are called nowadays) Anyone with a real need to know where our missile silos are has likely already found them with spy satellites
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Aug 12, 2022 04:50
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https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1557934998782631936?s=21&t=srLKxHaVmrcfGYjr9dahEg Hopefully this will be a Don Jr. “The truth will set me free… wait that’s not a real thing?” moment.
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Aug 12, 2022 04:55
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Now they're gonna have to reset all the nuclear codes and that's such a pain in the rear end
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Aug 12, 2022 05:00
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Charliegrs posted:Can a president get impeached after they are out of office? I know the question sounds dumb because that's basically what happened with Trump's 2nd impeachment but what I mean is can the impeachment be initiated say almost 2 years after he's out of office? I don't remember the specifics but wasn't Trump's 2nd impeachment started while he was still in office? Congress can try but won’t get a conviction because Republicans won’t let it happen. But if the fantasy land where they did let it happen there’s an excellent chance the Supreme Court actually wouldn’t stop it because if Republicans actually provide the votes it means being Never Trump actually became an accepted Republican position for once.
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dpkg chopra posted:https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1557934998782631936?s=21&t=srLKxHaVmrcfGYjr9dahEg Well that's a bold move and very uncharacteristic for someone who usually spends his free time jamming people up in court. I wonder if his new billionaire lawyer man or whatever he is called basically said "this poo poo is going to come out so plan accordingly"
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Aug 12, 2022 05:01
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I'm guessing his lawyers (of dubious quality, who is going to work for him?) either told him that he would not be able to stop the Feds from unsealing the warrant, or that his best chance at hanging a future jury is to start attacking everything now.
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Aug 12, 2022 05:02
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cr0y posted:Well that's a bold move and very uncharacteristic for someone who usually spends his free time jamming people up in court. It's definitely the latter. He's already committed to "wanting" the release, so if he opposed it now it'd look bad. Well, worse. Plus it probably wouldn't work anyway. If he really wanted it to be released he would have done it. He thought he could just claim that they didn't get a copy of the warrant and demand the release and the DOJ would do nothing, but they called his bluff.
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Aug 12, 2022 05:10
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It is possible, though unlikely, that the nuclear leak was itself some sort of 12th dimensional chess play by Trump et al to undermine the warrant. If so, it'll be apparent pretty fast.
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Aug 12, 2022 05:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Let's see how many federal employees get shot at tomorrow Yeah, someone is definitely going to go after the judge. Fox News is counting on it. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557926941646282752?s=20&t=Wo2NdBtsNTFIX7StV3XeCw
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Aug 12, 2022 05:21
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I think we all know because of the Rosenbergs, but if Trump is guilty of literally no joke giving nuclear secrets to a foreign nation while he was no longer president, then that is at least life in prison, and possibly death. If Trump (which is a lot more likely) was just a stupid careless spiteful moron who took nuclear weapon secrets, lied about taking them, and refused to give them back when told, but there was not any actual disclosure to a foreign nation, then that apparently gets you up to 10 years in prison.
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Aug 12, 2022 05:26
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Did they actually recover the documents? I see that they sought them but not that they found them.
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Aug 12, 2022 05:28
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He's going to say tomorrow that unfortunately his new lawyer insists on actually opposing the release. He really wants you all to see it. What a shame.
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Aug 12, 2022 05:29
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Crows Turn Off posted:Did they actually recover the documents? I see that they sought them but not that they got them. We'll know soon. The FBI didn't just want to reveal the warrant, they also wanted to unseal a (possibly partially redacted) inventory of things they took, which they also already gave to Trump's lawyers.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Did they actually recover the documents? I see that they sought them but not that they found them. I don't think we know but if they existed and weren't destroyed I'm going to assume the warrant was specifically targeting them and the raid team wouldn't leave until they recovered whatever was still left. This really feels different from all the other law enforcement/investigation poo poo. Whatever it was inside those boxes, the DOJ is NOT loving around anymore.
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cr0y posted:I don't think we know but if they existed and weren't destroyed I'm going to assume the warrant was specifically targeting them and the raid team wouldn't leave until they recovered whatever was still left. That is a good point. They didn't stay very long, if they were having difficulties finding whatever they were looking for, they would have almost torn that place apart.
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Rigel posted:That is a good point. They didn't stay very long, if they were having difficulties finding whatever they were looking for, they would have almost torn that place apart. Weren't they there for like 8 hours?
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Aug 12, 2022 05:48
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cr0y posted:I don't think we know but if they existed and weren't destroyed I'm going to assume the warrant was specifically targeting them and the raid team wouldn't leave until they recovered whatever was still left. Garland was AD Attorney General on the Oklahoma City Bombing. As soon as this whole thing started targeting the Feds Trump was done. The GOP just walked right into it. Pro read article about it below. https://twitter.com/BlueGreen625/status/1557120844198920197Also, Mary Trump just called Garland a Ninja on MSNBC. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Civilized Fishbot posted:You're saying people here on this forum "agree with" Nazi dog whistles? The perpetually online right wing has tried, at various points to varying degrees of success, to make the following into “dog whistles,” and it’s not even a complete list: - The “OK” gesture - A cartoon frog - Taylor Swift - White milk - Cereals - 1980s and 90s McDonalds mascot Mac Tonight, aka The Moonman Half or more of the reason they do this is because by claiming a new, seemingly innocuous thing as “theirs,” they know 100% they can get a rise out of the perpetually, terminally online people on the other side. I’m not saying fascists aren’t a concern, but I am saying we should be so far past the point of indulging them when they try to claim, say, Lego as a secret symbol next month or something.
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Aug 12, 2022 06:31
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.....white milk?
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-Blackadder- posted:Also, Mary Trump just called Garland a Ninja on MSNBC.
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Mulva posted:.....white milk? Soy milk specifically or any plant based milk.
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Mulva posted:.....white milk? It was a pseudoscience-based meme for a while in alt-right circles that they thought white people had an innately superior ability to metabolize milk, and that black people somehow couldn't...? So for a while there in like 2015 or so, every dapper young racist from Richard Spencer on down put a milk emoji in their twitter handles to dog whistle their white supremacy to other white supremacists. It didn't last very long because it was already turbo dumb, and the died a swift internet death after the terms "alt-right" and "milk" became inextricably linked to alt-right streamer Baked Alaska panickedly screaming "I NEED MILK! SOMEONE GET ME MILK! I NEED MIIIIIIILK!" and making an absolute fool out of himself and his fellow milk drinkers after he accidentally maced himself during the Unite The Right riot. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Aug 12, 2022 07:20
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How does a federal criminal trial work when some of the evidence is classified?
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cr0y posted:How does a federal criminal trial work when some of the evidence is classified? I suspect it'll be similar to any major espionage case like Robert Hassan and Aldrich Ames.
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#StopTheSeal I seriously can't even believe this poo poo. Like I am waiting to hear that by nuclear they mean like power plants or something or that this leak is fake and it's to set the bar so high that when it comes out that it's only light treason people are like "oh well then who cares" and Fox can tut tut about how overblown the fake news coverage has been. The worst part is that a lot of this information doesn't even exist in digital form. Until trump and his moron family started likely taking pictures of them with their phones so that poo poo is gonna spread like wildfire to any country with a solid cyber warfare division. I really feel like the truth is gonna be so much God drat worse than what we are even speculating. Like trump could be trying to shop the information around, or he was being blackmailed to steal it, like who the gently caress knows, anything is possible at this point.
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idk why you would even want that poo poo around, it's a huge liability at best and almost literally radioactive at worst. Like there's no legit reason you'd want boxes of that stuff just hanging out in your basement
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Herstory Begins Now posted:idk why you would even want that poo poo around, it's a huge liability at best and almost literally radioactive at worst. Like there's no legit reason you'd want boxes of that stuff just hanging out in your basement Because he's up to his eyeballs in foreign debt and that poo poo is basically priceless. Also he's an idiot and so far has been untouchable from a consequences perspective.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Now they're gonna have to reset all the nuclear codes and that's such a pain in the rear end
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-Blackadder- posted:Garland was AD Attorney General on the Oklahoma City Bombing. As soon as this whole thing started targeting the Feds Trump was done. The GOP just walked right into it. Feel like you might consider pumping the brakes a little bit on declaring Trump done until he's actually done
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Jaxyon posted:It's not secret code numbers, it's dog whistles, and many people are very good at hiding white supremacy because racists are very good and figuring out the language of tolerance and weaponizing it. What is obvious to some, is hidden to others. yeah and hulk hogan signs his tweets with HH for "heil hitler" 
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