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Obama's presidential "center" is entirely privately run and doesn't have an on-site federal research portion.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I spent a week working at the Nixon library in Yorba Linda* a few years ago, and the process is much as has been described by others. The public-facing part which any yahoo off the street can just wander into is basically a museum about the man and his career, while I and other researchers had a separate reading room to work in. They have a system of finding aids so you get an overview of the material before filling out pull requests which the archivists bring out for you at certain points throughout the day. I had to make arrangements with them beforehand but it was pretty straightforward, and some documents were technically still sensitive enough that I wasn't allowed to photograph them (though I could view and copy out to my heart's content), or had to put this little disclaimer card on top of them before taking a photo who's purpose I no longer remember. Did you meet Mr. Korn?
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Aug 12, 2022 18:00
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brugroffil posted:Obama's presidential "center" is entirely privately run and doesn't have an on-site federal research portion. NARA runs a digitized archive of all the research material relating to Obama as the 'library' part of his.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:07
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Is the library just made up if documents from a Presidents time in office? Or does it include material they would have written? Like a diary or notes about legislation that they have been briefed on or their extensive Sonic fanfiction that Barrack Obama has written?
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Aug 12, 2022 18:14
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brugroffil posted:Obama's presidential "center" is entirely privately run and doesn't have an on-site federal research portion. That's interesting, I hadn't heard that yet but it's true! The "Obama Presidential Library" (as distinct from the center, as you note) is online-only, presenting digitized versions of his presidential records, with the originals being available at "an existing NARA facility." There's a satellite Archives facility in Chicago already so I guess they'll just use that.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:16
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WSJ is now getting in on the fun (?). https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1558140328330383361 WSJ posted:FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:28
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WSJ posted:The Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took around 20 boxes of items, binders of photos, a handwritten note and the executive grant of clemency for Mr. Trump’s ally Roger Stone, a list of items removed from the property shows. Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list. The list is contained in a seven-page document that also includes the warrant to search the premises which was granted by a federal magistrate judge in Florida. Wait, hold on, what's this? Is this new information?? Edit: a second thought, this is probably the one that was already publicly announced back in 2020, but it's weird he'd keep it instead of giving to the archivist. So maybe the sentimental and trophies theory is correct. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Aug 12, 2022 |
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Aug 12, 2022 18:31
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Tibalt posted:Wait, hold on, what's this? Is this new information?? The actual document is available online, but I think this is the first time a pardon document has been mentioned in regards to the search, yes.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:33
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Tibalt posted:Wait, hold on, what's this? Is this new information?? Nah, we knew Trump had commuted Stone's sentence for lying to Congress and interfering with the Mueller investigation in December of 2020. DOJ has a copy of it here. There's no good reason for him to have it that I can think of, though, other than "being a huge weirdo" or "having it framed and sitting conspicuously on the desk any time Roger Stone visits Mar-a-Lago."
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Aug 12, 2022 18:35
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Quorum posted:That's interesting, I hadn't heard that yet but it's true! The "Obama Presidential Library" (as distinct from the center, as you note) is online-only, presenting digitized versions of his presidential records, with the originals being available at "an existing NARA facility." There's a satellite Archives facility in Chicago already so I guess they'll just use that. Is it true that lots of those digitised documents pertain to the nuclear, though?
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Aug 12, 2022 18:37
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steinrokkan posted:Is it true that lots of those digitised documents pertain to the nuclear, though? Look, having nuclear — his uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if Trump were a liberal, if, like, OK, if he ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say he's one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why he always starts off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know he has to give his like credentials all the time, because they're a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers Trump — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; Trump's uncle explained that to him many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, Trump would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:46
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yeah, trump lawyers gave the WSJ a look at the warrant https://twitter.com/MattBors/status/1558146934224965633 interesting to see if the pardon for stone is the one publicly known or a pocket pardon for January 6th events.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:47
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:yeah, trump lawyers gave the WSJ a look at the warrant its because backwards theocrats of any faith are backwards violent dipshits who feel insecure about their faith in god or whatever and have to hurt people to feel big and keep the flock.
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Aug 12, 2022 18:55
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Aug 12, 2022 19:48
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cr0y posted:https://twitter.com/elizabeth_joh/status/1558161527860969472?t=CITRLdOiKkRR2bRSB9--kg&s=19 Oof, if they are going at him for the Espionage act, then he might actually go to prison for it. So much for my misanthropy thinking he wasn't going to have any major repercussions.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:05
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cr0y posted:https://twitter.com/elizabeth_joh/status/1558161527860969472?t=CITRLdOiKkRR2bRSB9--kg&s=19 Yeah, but are they gunna press charges???
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Aug 12, 2022 20:06
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Uglycat posted:Yeah, but are they gunna press charges??? I don't think you'd go this far and say no more.
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This doesn't necessarily mean that Trump is the suspect, does it? So could be Kush or Jr or Eric. Or all of them I suppose.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:13
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mobby_6kl posted:This doesn't necessarily mean that Trump is the suspect, does it? So could be Kush or Jr or Eric. Or all of them I suppose. Some of the materials were removed directly from his upstairs office
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Aug 12, 2022 20:14
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Mooseontheloose posted:I don't think you'd go this far and say no more. My expectations are in a dumpster buried in hell, but these latest developments really are the most promising things I've heard in the last six years. It's really now or never.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:18
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While still at the White House Trump would sometimes, late at night after a few cocktails, order his aides to collect the most sensitive documents in the building that day and dump them on the Oval Office floor. Then he would take off all his clothes and roll in them while moaning “oh, I’m so important”. This would go on for hours. He was just keeping a small set of documents in his personal office at MAL for personal reasons, not out of any desire for espionage.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:20
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Murgos posted:While still at the White House Trump would sometimes, late at night after a few cocktails, order his aides to collect the most sensitive documents in the building that day and dump them on the Oval Office floor. Then he would take off all his clothes and roll in them while moaning “oh, I’m so important”. This would go on for hours. Trump continues the highly specific trend of lovely presidents not drinking. Nixon would be ashamed.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:21
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DeathSandwich posted:So much for my misanthropy thinking he wasn't going to have any major repercussions. There's no point in having any hope in our justice system until he's in handcuffs.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:25
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After the handcuffs are on they should put an n95 on his face. For safety. E: when an ex president is in prison awaiting execution, does the secret service still hang out with him?
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Aug 12, 2022 20:28
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mobby_6kl posted:This doesn't necessarily mean that Trump is the suspect, does it? So could be Kush or Jr or Eric. Or all of them I suppose. Donald Trump asking the feds if he can cut a deal and testify against the true culprit, some unheard of but always spoken of in a bad way coffee boy named Don Trump Jr.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:30
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Uglycat posted:After the handcuffs are on they should put an n95 on his face. For safety. gregday posted:Some of the materials were removed directly from his upstairs office Madkal posted:Donald Trump asking the feds if he can cut a deal and testify against the true culprit, some unheard of but always spoken of in a bad way coffee boy named Don Trump Jr. 
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Aug 12, 2022 20:32
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Charliegrs posted:There's no point in having any hope in our justice system until he's Let's be realistic here.
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Aug 12, 2022 20:35
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President Buttigieg is going to commute his sentence to life in prison and that's okay honestly
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Aug 12, 2022 20:37
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It be funny if desantis would refuse to pardon him
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Aug 12, 2022 20:40
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Somewhere one of Trump's campaign for 2024 advisors is on the phone. Advisor: No Donald I did not tell you to do this. What I said was to get re-elected you would need to look at all your options, even the Nuclear Ones. No Donald, it didn't mean what you did.
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Re: Document classification status NYT Live Feed quote:The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified.
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Uglycat posted:After the handcuffs are on they should put an n95 on his face. For safety. Roy Cohn was one of the prosecutors during the Rosenberg espionage trial. There also persist rumors that he fabricated some of the evidence presented at that trial. Roy Cohn was also Joseph McCarthy’s lead ‘red scare’ investigator and was one of Nixons personal attorneys. Roy Cohn, at the end of his life, was one of Trumps role models and mentors. It would be kind of epically ironic if Trump goes down for espionage considering his antecedents.
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https://twitter.com/SeamusHughes/status/1558178134410788864?s=20&t=kiNt2OyY9-TBRuxtvojSvg    Also uploaded here - https://t.co/ZhOwVjlnM5
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Interestingly the warrant doesn't specifically mention dissemination. I wonder if they have anything on that yet.cr0y posted:It be funny if desantis would refuse to pardon him Somehow I feel like this is a best case scenario for Desantis. He gets to snuggle up to the MAGA crowd and build credibility there while Trump gets shoved out of the picture.
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Tayter Swift posted:Interestingly the warrant doesn't specifically mention dissemination. I wonder if they have anything on that yet. Dissemination is covered by 18 USC 793 which is the Espionage Act. That information would be in the affidavit from FBI agents, which we won't see until well after indictment.
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mobby_6kl posted:I went to the JFK library and didn't get to see any of the "library" part. Wasn't even obvious where the other stuff was, like they'd let you walk around the NY public library but you couldn't see poo poo there. having educational books stored there would be in bad taste
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Aug 12, 2022 21:19
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I wanna know what's in the 2A pile, If the nuclear secrets rumor is true, that's where they would be.
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Aug 12, 2022 21:25
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Yeah there are some people reporting that the "above top secret" is exactly that: Special Access Program (SAP) documents.
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