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Stare-Out posted:Well you have a character from the start of the game that can have every element no matter what, even if you don't pull so I don't think they worry about it too much. Yeah, the Traveler is the accessible Anemo/Geo for puzzle solving. Dendro won't be available as quickly, but there's also not as much of a need for it early on with no puzzles that require it (unless they add them in)
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MoonCrab posted:Albedo would be a great standard character. Non of his constellations give an outrageous power boost like modern limited 5 star cons, but they do give enough a a boost that it doesn't feel like a total dud. Well except for that stupid fall damage one, but whatever. Every limited char so far has had "the event exclusive character will not be available in the standard wish" in their details page fine text:  So it's not just a matter of MHY not wanting to add them, but they could probably get got for false advertising too.
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They got away with changing stuff before like Raiden + Beidou and Zhong Li. I don’t know why they would stop now. Its really hard building a Geo team with no good geo support and having albedo in the Standard would somewhat help a bit.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Every limited char so far has had "the event exclusive character will not be available in the standard wish" in their details page fine text: That's trivially easy to get around by ending the current standard banner and creating a new standard banner named anything that's not "Wanderlust Invocation". Look, he's not on "Wanderlust Invocation" he's on "Wanderer's Evocation"! No you can't sue.
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Yeah, the leak followers' megamind idea was that they'd make "wanderlust evocation 2," a "limited" banner which was legally distinct from "wanderlust evocation," letting them put older units there without a legal hassle. But that was always just wishful thinking, and now that we know that the "changes to the standard banner coming in fall" was just them adding a single 5 star the idea is mostly dead. Which is all for the best (for me) seeing as how I severely underestimated how much pulling on standard helped me stave off the gacha shakes, lmao. Now once 3.1 comes out I can pull without remorse 
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Nyoro posted:I just want to pull for more hot Girls So clearly the best way to handle this is to introduce a geo 5 star girl for the standard banner. This also fills an important hole since all the geo 5 stars are boys.
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Does China or the EU have very specific and newer version of anti-gambling laws that would make this an issue? I don't see changing what's available or drop rates as a false advertising thing, any more than a casino moving a slot machine from the dollar a play to penny slot section. Or did they specifically advertise some of the limited banner units as "This unit will only be available from this banner and will never appear in the game any other way"? I could see that getting them in trouble. Really it's more likely they don't wanna upset the applecart or reduce FOMO spending if whales think they can reliably wait a year and get things cheaper.
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Edit: The geo they should add to standard is my original character: Ningguang, but Wearing Glasses. N,bWG is identical to Ningguang C6 in every way, except she doesn't shoot half of her rocks into the ground. Hire me mhy Coolness Averted posted:Or did they specifically advertise some of the limited banner units as "This unit will only be available from this banner and will never appear in the game any other way"? I could see that getting them in trouble. See: It's trivially skirtable if mhy wanted to play legalese, but it looks like they're gonna be sticking to the spirit of the law. MoonCrab fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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i dont think its a legal issue exactly, they could easily get around it with the right wording/setup, but itd also make people mad if they did. any changes to the standard banner/characters who are going to get added to it are going to be clearly flagged. maybe in another 3-4 years they might start adding year 1 characters to it or something, since by then everyone whos hyper invested in the game will have had them for years, but you are not going to get free ventis.
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it wasn't clear if they were just planning to go with a dorm supply or keep standard as-is, but this has pretty conclusively declared their intent. they didn't add that warning for any legal reason, it just explains what they're doing and that limited units are indeed limited. maybe the idea is to keep units that require a lot of setup (xiao, hutao, itto, tartaglia, etc.) out of standard so newer players mostly get straightforward units. mona is kind of an odd one out in that regard, all the other standard characters are pretty flexible and easy to use. if barbara and ning were originally supposed to be the 5 stars for their respective elements on the standard supply it would fit pretty well here.
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MoonCrab posted:The geo they should add to standard is my original character: Ningguang, but Wearing Glasses. N,bWG is identical to Ningguang C6 in every way, except she doesn't shoot half of her rocks into the ground. Hire me mhy They like doing big changes to 5* character outfits so it'd never happen but I want a Yelan skin that's just her actually wearing her little Future Trunks jacket.
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i like the lore that she stole the jacket from one of the harbingers
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The puzzles in this game are legitimately getting too hard for me lmao. Xinyan's domain kicked my rear end but I finally managed to get the cluster of the three big chests. Gonna on the remaining chests; kind of scared to check how many are remaining in Mona's domain. I think the puzzle spaces are just getting too big for me. I can eventually figure out the puzzle of what I'm supposed to do, but with all the backtracking I can't remember where the gently caress things are.
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Redmark posted:The puzzles in this game are legitimately getting too hard for me lmao. Xinyan's domain kicked my rear end but I finally managed to get the cluster of the three big chests. Gonna on the remaining chests; kind of scared to check how many are remaining in Mona's domain. If you can't see all the pieces AND you can't see a solution to solve for then the puzzle becomes trial-and-error idiocy.
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MoonCrab posted:Edit:
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Sanctum posted:It's just bad design really. Figuring out what the puzzle is is not supposed to be the puzzle. I mean, that's not true for some types of puzzles. Mystery hunt, panda magazine, that sort of thing. Whether or not puzzles like that belong in Genshin is a valid question, but that is absolutely something that exists.
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Lots of good new music in that 3.0 trailer. Genshin Impact is such a weird game. There's this mix of trashy/scummy gameplay elements (and a relatively standard core gameplay loop for a gacha game) with incredibly high effort content both visually and in the soundtrack. I think the thing that bugs me the most about the game (in terms of untapped potential) is the fact that its main story doesn't make good use of its gorgeous world.
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Redmark posted:I think the puzzle spaces are just getting too big for me. I can eventually figure out the puzzle of what I'm supposed to do, but with all the backtracking I can't remember where the gently caress things are. Pretty much this. I'm forever missing the chest in Xinyan with the three fire pillars you have to float down to. The puzzle is entirely what door you need to take to get back there and I'm not hard up enough for gems to care. There's plenty of overworld puzzles where there's clearly something to be done, but good luck guessing what that something is. It's like Myst but also there's a time limit. That one pillar puzzle in Mona's island, with an intentional nearby misdirect, which apparently then required you to both think of it being a misdirect and notice a bunch of otherwise meaningless patterns on the ground in unrelated locations and conclude that they must be linked... yeah that's just silly. Add in a bunch of repetitive travel time (moving mountains, swapping Mona's island) and I just grabbed what I could see immediately and then bounced.
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I looked up the solutions to get the highest tier of treasure chest on each island, did the world quests in the GAA and called it a day.
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https://game8.co/games/Genshin-Impact/archives/382072 GAA might not be fully wrapped up just yet. Supposedly there may be a final world quest coming called something like "The Final Treasure" that has been data mined as far back as July 13th and some people have theorized may involve finally using that salt-crusted key item. I've seen some guessing it would be up in the last week or so of 2.8, but I can't remember where. Going to look to see if it appears in my quest log when I log in over the next week though and keep a general eye out.
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think I hosed something with Mona island, I get the feeling some Air Boosts are supposed to show up for two puzzles but they simply... didnt is there something im missing? 
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You gotta shoot the anemo pillar to change the weather. Edit: It's one of those 4 weather changing pillars.
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MoonCrab posted:Edit: It's one of those 4 weather changing pillars. the WHAT (ok I got it now) this island lol
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No Wave posted:Livestream codes: Do these expire, like, the second the livestream ends or something? I remember having more of a grace period on these but these all show as expired to me now.
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It's cool how each island is presenting you with puzzles that explore the themes and ideas associated with each character. Kazuha: His life was turned upside down when he had to leave home, but then exploring other lands changed the way he saw the world. Xinyan: Even though she's passionate about music, when she runs into a conflict in life, she finds a way to defuse it rather than confronting it. All of her big puzzles are about finding a clever path around an obstacle. Fischl: Change the reality around you by changing the way you perceive it. Mona: solve these puzzles dumbass
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Harvey Baldman posted:Do these expire, like, the second the livestream ends or something? I remember having more of a grace period on these but these all show as expired to me now. I think they expire at the end of the day of the stream.
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Maxwell Adams posted:It's cool how each island is presenting you with puzzles that explore the themes and ideas associated with each character.
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No Wave posted:Fischl's is also a depth perception gimmick (flavorful). lol 
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Maxwell Adams posted:It's cool how each island is presenting you with puzzles that explore the themes and ideas associated with each character. To be honest I didn't entirely get what Mona's theme was supposed to be in terms of the aspect of herself she had to face, nor did I entirely get Xinyan's. Kazuha was obviously that he's come a long way since leaving his family legacy behind and made his peace with it and everything that's happened, but only really after meeting Beidou and her crew and getting into their way of life. Basically he was a lot different inbetween the time at which we met him and before he fled Inazuma. Fischl was the old accepting all aspects of your personality flawed or otherwise classic anime trope thing and pretty cut and dry as well. Xinyan though just seems like she has no real self doubts or anything like that and is totally in tune with the whole punk rocker high energy personality thing. Mona I guess it was that her astrology can predict the future to some extent but can't really change it and she'd rather everyone just have good fortune or if not to be able to do something to prevent the bad fortune like with the one adventurer, but it was a little hazy, perhaps cause of all the puzzles in between that were breaking up the flow of things to solve.
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Maxwell Adams posted:It's cool how each island is presenting you with puzzles that explore the themes and ideas associated with each character.
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Mailer posted:Pretty much this. I'm forever missing the chest in Xinyan with the three fire pillars you have to float down to. The puzzle is entirely what door you need to take to get back there and I'm not hard up enough for gems to care. There's plenty of overworld puzzles where there's clearly something to be done, but good luck guessing what that something is. It's like Myst but also there's a time limit. You mean the elemental patterns that one of those purple dream-beasts intentionally runs you through, from the seabed up to the wall above? That made it obvious to me at the time, but I'm not going to argue that a lot of Mona's puzzles are pretty obtuse. I wonder why they didn't have her giving like a daily horoscope or something based on the chests you don't have. (and more generally it's kind of weird to me that the Liyue compass works in the Chasm and the Inazuma compass works in Enkanomiya, but the Mondstadt compass doesn't work on the GAA) I really liked the assist actions in the combat arenas that unlocked after each island's quest domain. I hope we're going to see some akashic bullshit that makes use of that in Sumeru.
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Lots of people didn't take the time to search out clues for the puzzles, on account of the fact that genshin usually doesn't do puzzles this way. If you're used to puzzlebox stuff like this, you know that you gotta take notes (real notes, not mental notes), and know when you gotta stop and come back later.
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How far am I willing to go for 5-10 primos and some artifact junk? Maybe less than 20 resin worth of books. They really stretch the patience thin for some of these puzzles.
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Shout out to people in the co-op event who know to yeet the hilichurls off platforms instead of dpsing them down Much more enjoyable event than I expected
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MoonCrab posted:Lots of people didn't take the time to search out clues for the puzzles, on account of the fact that genshin usually doesn't do puzzles this way. If you're used to puzzlebox stuff like this, you know that you gotta take notes (real notes, not mental notes), and know when you gotta stop and come back later. Genshin's also not very good at that either. I remember running around mona's island and randomly seeing some "Investigate" prompts that was just Paimon says something like "Why is there a picture here?" which, considering nothing then got put into my inventory i was very confused. Turns out it was trying to point out that this pile of bushes looks extremely vaguely like a pyro symbol if seen from above (I, of course, was still on the ground) therefore the pyro totem should be the first one to hit.
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People who don't like Mona's island should stay far away from la mulana
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