gradenko_2000 posted:

There was an old Gene Hackman movie that's supposed to be a good fit for this thread but i can't remember the name

Not enemy of the state

Laterite posted:

The Conversation

gradenko_2000 posted:

There was an old Gene Hackman movie that's supposed to be a good fit for this thread but i can't remember the name

Not enemy of the state

nut posted:

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

can someone dig up his robot psychotherapist paper?

Cuttlefush posted:

Reds? Under Fire? Superman? Antz? Under Suspicion?

Phlogiston 4 Lyfe posted:

re: Jolly's robopsych, I'm trying to dig up something I read a while back that talked about it. I remember it being described as basically a punchcard-based version of the webMD sympton checker. There's a PDF available of a copy of American Psychologist, which is said to have the proceedings from an APA meeting where the paper was discussed, but I don't have fifteen dollars to throw at a twenty page pdf at the moment. If anyone knows someone who'd have free access to APA stuff, looks like it'd be easy to get ahold of, at least.

https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fh0043024

Endman posted:

Man going to therapy is so much more boring these days than it was in the Jolly West era

War and Pieces posted:

For good or I'll, mdern psychistry is what happens when they stopped trying to cure people

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Well, curing people requires eliminating class society, so.

Victor Vermis posted:

Web of Make Believe on Netflix seemed tailored to normies, but I wound up watching episode 2 while nursing a hangover figuring I'd nap through most of it. The episode is about the murder of Seth Rich in 2016 and the DNC WikiLeaks. I catch up on this thread occasionally (thank you all for the transmissions from Jonestown recommendation!) and I don't recall the Rich-DNC-WikiLeaks connection being discussed here outside of variations on the "leading to the arrest of HRC" memes, so I assumed this was going to be a deep dive into Qanon gramma memes and Facebook groups. It was not. .. Or it was, and I actually have fully devolved into a facebook qanon gramma.

10 minutes in: Julian Assange's TV interview wherein he suggests Rich was a source. Whatever, I think I saw this before, Assange has been presented like the type to troll a grieving family if it keeps him relevant.

20 minutes in, sleezy attorney Berkman, who latched onto the Rich family for publicity, describes getting ambushed during a dead drop in a parking garage by his own private investigator (who was supposed to be feeding him FBI docs??). Berkman describes getting shot a bunch in the butt with an assault rifle and the Marine-turned-profiler(???) goes to prison. Huh. Never heard of that before. I'm paying attention.

30 minutes in, journalist Seymour Hersh, on a recorded call, says he has a guy at the FBI who has seen docs proving that Rich was a WikiLeaks source. Crack. Ping.

The guy who recorded the call, Butowski, is in with the Trump campaign/administration, and he uses a Fox News talking head and former detective, Rod Wheeler, to get in with the Rich family and run DNC-killed-Rich theories up the flagpole at Fox News. Wheeler gets covered in poo poo, Fox News issues a retraction. The full Herch recording, as well as some Wheeler ones, are now available (presumably thanks to Butowski) on this YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBIpN1cdt9MDoBFyPlwBtdA

In the long call, Butowski says an associate of Assange told him that Assange confirmed Rich was the source.

Hersh has done interviews since then and says Butowski misunderstood, "took two and two and made 45 out of it". Hersh seemed wary of helping Trump win the election, so 45 isn't an arbitrary choice of number here. The Netflix doc heavily suggests Hersh lied in order to pump Butowski for info. Hersh didn't provide an interview.

Hersh has been critical of the press for eating up the Obama admin's assertion in 2016 that all signs pointed to state-sanctioned hacking by Russia as the source of the leaks.

VIPS, a collection of prior intel folks who first got a hair up their rear end after Colin Powell sold the '03 Iraq invasion on a bunch of bullshit, are confident that the DNC leak could not have been a remote hack. Long write up but very much worthwhile as there is some back-and-forth with dissenting members of that same group: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-leak-or-a-hack-a-forum-on-the-vips-memo/

The Rich family has refused access to any of Rich's devices, refuses to cooperate with anyone who is not explicitly looking for two black male robbers in a DC neighborhood. Their DNC-connected "crisis manager" minder gets a lot of time in the episode.

So.. Rich is definitely the leaker right? And either Trump's gang of freaks or the DNC had him murdered, right? If that's the case, only 1 person for sure would be able to explain: Julian Assange. His extradition to the US is currently pending an appeal. He's in a cell somewhere in London, and bad news for him seems to coincide with bad news for Boris Johnson. I wonder if there are any parallel red yarn lines concerning extradition progress/stalls and changes in US/UK administrations..

I dunno.

Of course, there's plenty of supplemental and extremely questionable and ghoulish additional content to be found over the previous 6 years:

- A 4chan anon who claimed to be working in the ER the night Rich was brought in still-alive and later stabilized before shady agents denied staff any further access.
- Rich's still unidentified girlfriend who spoke with him by phone throughout the night, right up until his death. She was out of town on a business trip.
- Social media (since removed?) indicating Rich was disgruntled with DNC
- Rich's brother seemingly issuing gag orders to anyone who might know anything about that night, guards the laptop (if the FBI doesn't have it), and laughs inappropriately in a family interview.
- Another 4chan effort to cast an open-source-intelligence net over every relevant person and location. This is tangled up with their Comet Ping Pong stuff so I'm not loving deep diving that.

Anyways. Thanks for the insomnia, Epstein thread.

Victor Vermis posted:

Web of Make Believe on Netflix seemed tailored to normies, but I wound up watching episode 2 while nursing a hangover figuring I'd nap through most of it. The episode is about the murder of Seth Rich in 2016 and the DNC WikiLeaks. I catch up on this thread occasionally (thank you all for the transmissions from Jonestown recommendation!) and I don't recall the Rich-DNC-WikiLeaks connection being discussed here outside of variations on the "leading to the arrest of HRC" memes, so I assumed this was going to be a deep dive into Qanon gramma memes and Facebook groups. It was not. .. Or it was, and I actually have fully devolved into a facebook qanon gramma.

10 minutes in: Julian Assange's TV interview wherein he suggests Rich was a source. Whatever, I think I saw this before, Assange has been presented like the type to troll a grieving family if it keeps him relevant.

20 minutes in, sleezy attorney Berkman, who latched onto the Rich family for publicity, describes getting ambushed during a dead drop in a parking garage by his own private investigator (who was supposed to be feeding him FBI docs??). Berkman describes getting shot a bunch in the butt with an assault rifle and the Marine-turned-profiler(???) goes to prison. Huh. Never heard of that before. I'm paying attention.

30 minutes in, journalist Seymour Hersh, on a recorded call, says he has a guy at the FBI who has seen docs proving that Rich was a WikiLeaks source. Crack. Ping.

The guy who recorded the call, Butowski, is in with the Trump campaign/administration, and he uses a Fox News talking head and former detective, Rod Wheeler, to get in with the Rich family and run DNC-killed-Rich theories up the flagpole at Fox News. Wheeler gets covered in poo poo, Fox News issues a retraction. The full Herch recording, as well as some Wheeler ones, are now available (presumably thanks to Butowski) on this YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBIpN1cdt9MDoBFyPlwBtdA

In the long call, Butowski says an associate of Assange told him that Assange confirmed Rich was the source.

Hersh has done interviews since then and says Butowski misunderstood, "took two and two and made 45 out of it". Hersh seemed wary of helping Trump win the election, so 45 isn't an arbitrary choice of number here. The Netflix doc heavily suggests Hersh lied in order to pump Butowski for info. Hersh didn't provide an interview.

Hersh has been critical of the press for eating up the Obama admin's assertion in 2016 that all signs pointed to state-sanctioned hacking by Russia as the source of the leaks.

VIPS, a collection of prior intel folks who first got a hair up their rear end after Colin Powell sold the '03 Iraq invasion on a bunch of bullshit, are confident that the DNC leak could not have been a remote hack. Long write up but very much worthwhile as there is some back-and-forth with dissenting members of that same group: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-leak-or-a-hack-a-forum-on-the-vips-memo/

The Rich family has refused access to any of Rich's devices, refuses to cooperate with anyone who is not explicitly looking for two black male robbers in a DC neighborhood. Their DNC-connected "crisis manager" minder gets a lot of time in the episode.

So.. Rich is definitely the leaker right? And either Trump's gang of freaks or the DNC had him murdered, right? If that's the case, only 1 person for sure would be able to explain: Julian Assange. His extradition to the US is currently pending an appeal. He's in a cell somewhere in London, and bad news for him seems to coincide with bad news for Boris Johnson. I wonder if there are any parallel red yarn lines concerning extradition progress/stalls and changes in US/UK administrations..

I dunno.

Of course, there's plenty of supplemental and extremely questionable and ghoulish additional content to be found over the previous 6 years:

- A 4chan anon who claimed to be working in the ER the night Rich was brought in still-alive and later stabilized before shady agents denied staff any further access.
- Rich's still unidentified girlfriend who spoke with him by phone throughout the night, right up until his death. She was out of town on a business trip.
- Social media (since removed?) indicating Rich was disgruntled with DNC
- Rich's brother seemingly issuing gag orders to anyone who might know anything about that night, guards the laptop (if the FBI doesn't have it), and laughs inappropriately in a family interview.
- Another 4chan effort to cast an open-source-intelligence net over every relevant person and location. This is tangled up with their Comet Ping Pong stuff so I'm not loving deep diving that.

Anyways. Thanks for the insomnia, Epstein thread.

Uglycat posted:

http://g-2.space/sr/dms.html

Guccifer 2.0 catfished a bond girl and convinced her that Seth was the source

https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer

I've long entertained the idea that guccifer hacked the dox, pretended to be rich, passed em to Julian, and then putin murdered seth to put a body on Hillary right before the elections

It's nutty, but the Russian disinfo machine sure got early marching orders

Victor Vermis posted:

[Snip]

January 6 Survivor posted:

quote:

Seth Rich

Google Butt posted:

I want that trophy

Uglycat posted:

Suppose guccifer talked seth into taking the files and handing them over, and pretended to be seth when passing them to Julian..

Uglycat posted:

... then putins goons kill Seth and trumps goons push the Hillary death count narrative

Real hurthling! posted:

i guessed it was a bad arms deal and the saudis that were buying killed him, shot at the crowd hifiving and doing coke, and then left when their cia handlers told them that disappeared security guard or whoever it was was coming and they hadda wrap it up and im sticking with that gut feeling

War and Pieces posted:

For good or I'll, mdern psychistry is what happens when they stopped trying to cure people

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Whoever said most therapists are there to cure themselves is probably the most accurate

Zodium posted:

enough that "mesearch" is a term in academic psychology in the same vein as impostor syndrome, at least.