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Barudak
May 7, 2007

gay frog chemicals posted:

I mean if the guy knew she was into him he would have said so in the post. He's just dumb.

Thats basically my stance. The man says hes bad with women and doesn't say a single thing about rejecting her or anything. Dude just sounds like an oblivious young man not getting the signals women put out.

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boofhead
Feb 18, 2021

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I thought we were at the point of 'not picking up on your hints' not being an acceptable excuse anymore.

What? You mean it's unacceptable that he's not picking up on her being interested, or it's unacceptable that she's not picking up on him not being interested?

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

boofhead posted:

Doesn't actually say that she got her friends to yell at him, just that he learned (through an insider i guess) that they're unhappy with him

ah yeah good point, he's more just persona non grata with that social group now. still though, wtf, you got rejected in the kindest and most mild manner, what a reason to put out a burn notice for someone among your friends

I also think him not picking up the hint is a bit of a red herring - she thinks he did, and her reaction to getting a 'no' seems pretty entitled.

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Aug 14, 2022

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


Lottery of Babylon posted:

You're right OP, if she wants to make rent why doesn't she just sell the tattoo she got last year.

Who the gently caress is a tattoo artist good enough to charge $400 but still willing to tattoo a 16 year old?

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


Deformed Church posted:

Who the gently caress is a tattoo artist good enough to charge $400 but still willing to tattoo a 16 year old?

Or how does an emancipated 16 year old get parental consent? If it doesn't have to be a parent/guardian then maybe the OP's siblings who actually care for the daughter signed off on it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

boofhead posted:

What? You mean it's unacceptable that he's not picking up on her being interested, or it's unacceptable that she's not picking up on him not being interested?

Being angry at someone for not knowing something you don't tell them.

gay frog chemicals
May 27, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I mean they might have thought he was just doing a mean bit and she didn't need an escort home.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Fil5000 posted:

He's SIXTEEN. So wait, does this mean all of this has happened in less than a year? Also, is the driving test in the US just pointing at the car and asking the potential driver "Is that a car"? How the gently caress does someone this idiotic get a drivers license? "I've been so good since I got my first ticket, I've just continued breaking speed limits and slamming my car into kerbs"

When I lived in florida it was common for us europeans and especially norwegians to pay the 75 dollars and spend the 45 minutes it took to drive in circles around a parking lot, bing bang boom heres your licence. Youd have to take a test when returning home but it beat spending 6 months and 2000 dollars or more on it back home.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

Booky posted:

AITA for walking a woman home?

gay frog chemicals posted:

I mean if the guy knew she was into him he would have said so in the post. He's just dumb.

I've basically done the exact same thing1, even with a girl who there was some clear chemistry with. Young people can be really, really goddamn dense sometimes. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!

1Twice.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
It really, really cannot be overstated, boys are dumb. I know, I was one. If you don't tell us to our face that you like us, we're probably not going to get the hint because (if the boy in question isn't a poo poo person) we don't want to be creepy and/or make assumptions. Say it, or accept the possibility of your signals sailing over our heads.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


Malachite_Dragon posted:

It really, really cannot be overstated, boys are dumb. I know, I was one. If you don't tell us to our face that you like us, we're probably not going to get the hint because (if the boy in question isn't a poo poo person) we don't want to be creepy and/or make assumptions. Say it, or accept the possibility of your signals sailing over our heads.

I'm pretty sure I had one of these revelations literally reading this discussion. I thought she just wanted an excuse to leave when I happened to be leaving!

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
i also have been completely oblivious to ladies attentions over the years, man I don't miss being that awkward.

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


Malachite_Dragon posted:

It really, really cannot be overstated, boys are dumb. I know, I was one. If you don't tell us to our face that you like us, we're probably not going to get the hint because (if the boy in question isn't a poo poo person) we don't want to be creepy and/or make assumptions. Say it, or accept the possibility of your signals sailing over our heads.

I have (legally) not been a boy half my life now and I still don't realise this stuff. It takes my partner to point out that people have been flirting with me or checking me out. Fortunately she was straight to the point at the time and didn't leave any ambiguity.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
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ARROOOOOO!

Cowslips Warren posted:

Fun fact: I know a dude who is 6'6'' or so and he has no loving luck with ladies because he has zero social skills. Meanwhile the 5'4'' dude at work always has dates and various girlfriends because he has the social skills not to tell a woman at first meeting he likes how tight her shirt is because her breasts are really nice, unlike six foot tall Chad over there.

I was worried that you somehow knew me until the end, where I sighed with relief because I'm not a creep, just so oblivious that I get told flat out that a woman is into me and still don't believe her

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Deformed Church posted:

I'm pretty sure I had one of these revelations literally reading this discussion. I thought she just wanted an excuse to leave when I happened to be leaving!

Ah welcome to club, we've been sending invites for years but you never seemed to get why we were sending them.

coolusername
Aug 23, 2011

cooltitletext
Speaking as a woman who didn’t catch on that a guy wanted to be more than friends even after he: tried to cover the dinner we went on (which I thought was a platonic colleague catch up), told me about his loneliness after his last break up months ago (I was very sympathetic) and offered to buy me a ps4 so we could game together (neat but no thanks, I travel too much!).

And I still didn’t realise until it was pointed out to me by some other women well after the fact on recounting how it was a nice hang out… Obliviousness isn’t gender specific.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I went an evening with someone where all their friends mysteriously canceled, they showed up in formal attire, and had dinner reservations as "backup" since they "thought" their friends would cancel. Somewhere around hour five where I was desperately coming up with activities to entertain this person and they kept wanting to keep hanging out is when the thought began to creep into my mind, "is it possible this is actually a date?"

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
I was once sat with a girl who after several hours of drunk conversation was forced to say to me "Shall we have sex then?" before I understood why she'd hung around my place long after everyone else had gone home.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

Actias posted:

r/relationships: A badly organised orgy is so cringe.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I thought we were at the point of 'not picking up on your hints' not being an acceptable excuse anymore.

Edit: nvm

DemoneeHo
Nov 9, 2017

Come on hee-ho, just give us 300 more macca



There have been a couple times where I missed signals from women. One girl in particular sat real close to me for a couple hours, watching me play video games when she had no interest in it. My excuse for being oblivious is that I was in the closet. Now that i'm out of it, i now fail to pick up signals from men if they aren't being overt :v:

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

Fil5000 posted:

I was once sat with a girl who after several hours of drunk conversation was forced to say to me "Shall we have sex then?" before I understood why she'd hung around my place long after everyone else had gone home.

"No we shan't! Good night, Miss!"

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard
A friend of mine was going home from grad school because it wasn't working out. A girl who'd been friendly with him wrote him an email confessing that she liked him, she was into him, and she wished they'd had more of a chance and she hoped things could work out in the future.

Well he came back to school a semester later, but he didn't follow up on the email. He later explained to me that he wasn't sure she was serious, and he didn't want things to be weird.

At this point in our conversation I was like oooohhh noooo brother, women don't state their feelings in writing if they're not serious. That's not a thing.

Anyhow, she eventually managed to get the two of them alone on a trip backpacking through the Peruvian Andes and on day 6 of 11, made her move. They're married with two kids now lol.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Added breaks and punctuation because it was one goddamn sentence.

AITA For Yelling at a girl in the middle of a lecture?

quote:

CONTEXT (I am 22, Guy ,and I attend a class where a girl whose personality is terrible attends.. I hate the way she looks down at people and she feels entitled to everyone's time and efforts The problem is , it is obvious that she has feeling for me, she keeps talking to me and sitting next to me in class I did not give her my number yet she got it from somebody else and keeps texting me one time I caught her taking pictures of me and when I confronted her with that she said that she was taking pictures of the notes that the proffesor wrote on the board which is a lie because I clearly saw her copying those notes earlier

How do I stop this things kinda getting uncomfortable with her and I am too nice to say anything to her , even tho I hate her I don't wanna break her heart or hurt her feelings How do I approach this situation)

END OF CONTEXT People Gave me so many advices that I kinda got even more confused So unfortunately I did not act on any of them things kept going the same way Until one day she made the move that could be called the straw that broke the camels back She took screenshots of the few short chats that went between us and she edited them and convinced her friends that I asked her on a date When I knew about that I lost my nerves

The next day I went to class early The proffesor arrived and the lecture started but she was nowhere to be found 10 minutes in she enters the the auditorium and as usual she sits next to me and starts talking to me I just kept quiet and decided that I should wait until the class is over and take her aside and make things as straight forward as possible Another 15 minutes went by and I just took a glance towards her and saw her smiling and whispering to her friend and she was pointing at me I just couldn't take it anymore I have never ever lost my nerves and completely lost control like that before I just stood up in the middle of the lecture and started yelling at her and just let everything out

I exposed everything that she has done for months in the middle of the auditorium that had around 100 people in it she lost it and started crying hysterically and took her backpack and ran out and her friend ran after her Everyone was shocked especially the proffesor and there was this absolute silence that filled the place I was called to the dean office that day and I don't have to elaborate further on what I had to endure in there It has been 4 days since and the girl hasn't showed up her friend said the most Terrible things to me the next day of the incident and I couldn't even open my mouth I got so many judgment and criticism for what I did I know that I could have approached this situation in a better manner But she really just kept testing me over and over I could not have taken it any longer Her friends are saying that she is traumatized she won't come to classes unless I apologize to her and a lot of students think that i should AITA?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

The sad thing is that this is connected to the 'nice guy' problem. If you're a woman who is oblivious to men trying to come on to you, you can wind up in that area where the dude is offended and angry and says you owe him sex now because of all the time he's put in, when you thought you were just having nice friendly hangout times.

I'm sure it happens in all gender configurations but ugh.

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

HopperUK posted:

The sad thing is that this is connected to the 'nice guy' problem. If you're a woman who is oblivious to men trying to come on to you, you can wind up in that area where the dude is offended and angry and says you owe him sex now because of all the time he's put in, when you thought you were just having nice friendly hangout times.

I'm sure it happens in all gender configurations but ugh.

When I read the title I wondered did this girl know he was "walking her home". Followed by "how insistent was this dude about walking her home, how upset did he get that she didn't immediately acquiesce".

Yeah she missed out but that's a heartwarmingly innocent ending compared to what I was dreading.

Traxus IV
Sep 11, 2001

it's our time now
let's get this shit started


To add to the pile of obliviousness, at a volunteer thing years ago I had no idea why another volunteer kept offering to help me with the stuff I was in charge of, hanging around more and more over the course of months, being really nice to me. I appreciated the assistance, but completely missed all of the flirting going on the whole time. It was an outdoor activity, and at one point I loving threw a pinecone in their face because I thought we were just goofing around while they were super confused at the weird signals they were getting from me.

Disaster lesbians.

It took a mutual friend getting fed up with my stupid poo poo, coming up to me after the event we had all put together was over, and telling me right to my face that the other volunteer was interested in me before I even considered it was possible. I am a clueless goddamn dipshit, but anyway we're married now. Lucky for me the pinecone didn't put them off.

Traxus IV fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Aug 14, 2022

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's one of those things that seems to be gradually dying out but still happens where girls are taught and socialised to communicate indirectly via implication and hints while boys... aren't. So by adulthood they're basically speaking different languages.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's one of those things that seems to be gradually dying out but still happens where girls are taught and socialised to communicate indirectly via implication and hints while boys... aren't. So by adulthood they're basically speaking different languages.

I wonder how much of this is direct teaching 'do not displease people', and how much is 'if I am too directly confrontational things could get scary fast'. Because both are huge factors in any confrontation I've ever had with a man. Mind you the last time I directly told some guy at work not to touch me he burst into tears and frankly that was just embarrassing.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Cowslips Warren posted:

Added breaks and punctuation because it was one goddamn sentence.

AITA For Yelling at a girl in the middle of a lecture?

Okay Mr Too Nice so you got confused and had a meltdown in front of 100 people, the good news is that you definitely have some sort of disorder that you should pursue treatment for

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

BrigadierSensible posted:

On the last name stuff. We have a very noticably Indian last name, (as noticably Indian as Tendulkar, but way more common.) And as such are constantly getting people surprised when they learn our names. My brother's wife cops it as well. She is a kindergarten teacher, and has parents come up to her and say "When my daughter said her teacher was Mrs "Tendulkar"(not our real name), I didn't expect it to be a white woman.

This was an interesting post. And this bit makes me wonder how much overlap there is between the "wife and children must have husband's name!!" people we see in this thread, and the "white woman is called Mrs Jayawardene?? Does not compute" people..

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Barudak posted:

My driving exam was exactly 4 left turns on a city block. I failed my first exam because the instructor told me to kill a pedestrian and I didn't.
That instructor later went on to work at Tesla.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

HopperUK posted:

I wonder how much of this is direct teaching 'do not displease people', and how much is 'if I am too directly confrontational things could get scary fast'. Because both are huge factors in any confrontation I've ever had with a man. Mind you the last time I directly told some guy at work not to touch me he burst into tears and frankly that was just embarrassing.

This entirely. It is a fine line between making a dude angry/dangerous and trying to keep the peace and yourself safe.


AITA for saying a customer is unattractive when she made me uncomfortable

quote:

(REPOST)

I (m17) was serving this family of three at this restaurant im helping out at (i get paid but im not rlly a worker there). Among them, i could tell they have a daughter who is slightly older than me and kept overhearing that she kept telling her parents she found me “pretty” and kept trying to figure out what my ethnicity was. Im Chinese, and since I’ve kinda dealt with weird people who fetishised Asian people, i thought she was one of those and thus, did the bare minimum for their table (ie, not telling them to enjoy when passing them their food)

However, when the restaurant started to clear up and I was less busy, the father ushered me over to their table and told me that his daughter found me pretty and asked if I was interested in hanging out one day. This caught me off guard as I didn’t think they would stoop this low so I politely apologised and said that I had a girlfriend.

The daughter then asked if i was fine being friends with her instead and said/joke (I rlly hope it’s the latter) “just because there’s a goalkeeper, doesn’t mean she can’t score”. I turned to look at her father to see if he’s going to do anything about this behaviour but he just nodded and said that she was right.

The father then said that guys should always befriend attractive girls to keep his options open and I responded that I didn’t find his daughter attractive before awkwardly stepping away to pretend to be busy with my duties.

Later, the boss who was working there came to me and said that I was definitely out of line with that last comment since the customer was one of the regulars and was just joking and told me to apologise the next time they came back. I told him that they made me uncomfortable and he told me that I should’ve remained professional.

The other boss later texted me and told me that she wished I handled it differently but could understand why I did so and told me how much to handle similar situations next time. She also told me those regulars will no longer be coming back.

Still, it makes me wonder if I did step out of line with that last comment.

AITA?

EDIT 1: many are asking about my employment so here it goes:

The second boss is a family friend of mine and is close(?) to my mom. Since I’m a uni student (this is Canada and I turn 18 this year), said boss said it was ok for me to help out there whenever I’m free if I needed extra cash. So in theory, I never signed a contract or anything that can prove I worked there should they decide to scam me and not pay me.

Repost: original post violated rule 7 and I was able to work things out. NEW INFO: so the customers were pissed and complained to the boss behind my back, stating that they were just joking and I was plain rude.

This happens all the time with the genders reversed. It shouldn't happen at all.

olylifter
Sep 13, 2007

I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!
I got to contribute to this as well because I'm a moron

In undergrad there was a bar on campus where you could smoke indoors, and the crew of goths/ravers I hung out with stayed there all day.

One of the girls in the group (who, for the record, was loving gorgeous and exponentially well out of my ugly rear end' league) started complaining that there was never a spot to sit so she'd consistently wind up sitting on my lap for like, hours, while we were sitting around smoking cigarettes. This progressed to her hanging out at my place for hours nightly as well. Finally after like a month of this (!) one of the group made some comment about how we were practically a couple, which I laughed off, because like, clearly this is just how friends act and she's not interested in me.

That night at my house she brings this remark up and the conversation escalates to "dude I like you, the gently caress is wrong with you". Eventually we got together and then broke up a few months later as I still couldn't get out of my own head regarding the disparity between us.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
AITA Canceling a vacation because of one lovely kid

quote:

I have been coparenting my roommates kids for a few years now, I have a good job and she can’t ever hold one. I felt bad and started helping out financially and now I support the kids equally if not more than she does. She does show remorse about this from time to time, and I tell her not to stress about it, that I care about the children’s well being more than my own money. I genuinely do.

So, about 6 months ago I offered to roommate that we could use my free trips from my frequent work travel to take a trip to Disney, that we would have to work through finances but we agreed and I booked the travel. Once I did she shared with the kids that we were taking a vacation, which concerned me as we had not yet figured out the thousands of dollars of park tickets, simply wanted to reserve the dates.

Since then, her finances continued to get worse, she’s on probation at work and I’m paying for the entire trip. Again, money isn’t the biggest thing for me but this is not clothes, home and food, this is a vacation. I don’t want to make the kids sad so I roll with it anyway.

Her oldest is almost 15 and going through some personal discovery poo poo but very much in that “everyone hates me, no one listens” phase. Problem is that it is all directed at me because over the years of living together I’ve become the one that has to actually enforce rules with him, while mom is the fun one that he goes to for comfort.

A couple nights ago, he brought me to tears with the your not my mom garbage, told me he doesn’t want me here, he wishes I would stop talking to him all together. This is the worst I’ve dealt with so far but it’s been on going for a few months now. I have continuously asked his mother to get him in regular therapy, to get us in family therapy. I have no control there as I am not a legal guardian. She’s always got an excuse.

His younger siblings just came back from Disney last month with the other bio parent’s family. (Oldest has different father from the other two who went on a milk run when he was very young)

I want to cancel Disney because I don’t want to spend thousands of dollars on the oldest, and I don’t feel bad about the younger two not going because they just went.

AITA?

am i the doormat?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Foo Diddley posted:

AITA Canceling a vacation because of one lovely kid

am i the doormat?

Is this one of those reading comprehension tests that like these are somehow their roomates kids so they need a roomate, but they can afford a trip to disney for children that aren't their own

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

Cowslips Warren posted:

Added breaks and punctuation because it was one goddamn sentence.

AITA For Yelling at a girl in the middle of a lecture?

Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair into ponytails, but they don't. That's what she did.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Barudak posted:

Is this one of those reading comprehension tests that like these are somehow their roomates kids so they need a roomate, but they can afford a trip to disney for children that aren't their own

I'm getting some real "sappho and her friend" vibes from that. But I don't know why the OP would feel the need to hide that she's in a relationship with the mother.

Unless she's not, in which case, what the utter gently caress is she doing?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I'm getting some real "sappho and her friend" vibes from that. But I don't know why the OP would feel the need to hide that she's in a relationship with the mother.

Unless she's not, in which case, what the utter gently caress is she doing?

She says "I want us to go to family therapy" but explicitly said roomate so like please, lady, Im begging you, tell me you are loving this problem.

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Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat

Barudak posted:

She says "I want us to go to family therapy" but explicitly said roomate so like please, lady, Im begging you, tell me you are loving this problem.

nope! she specifies in the comments that she's just getting used, there's nothing romantic about it:

quote:

More info: Do you have a romantic relationship with the mother?How come the kids mother isn't defending you to her son?

Are the kids aware of all the financial responsibility you've taken on for them?

It sounds Iike you're investing so much into a family that might just pack up and leave at any point!

OP posted:

We are best friends. Platonic friendship, nothing romantic. I don’t see the relevance though.

Mom tries to talk to him, asks him to be kinder etc but it’s ineffective. Hence the requests for therapy.

The teen knows I support them financially, the younger two don’t really understand money.

quote:

What do you get back from this friendship? All i see is that she takes and takes but you give and give. A friendshipshould be equal. But here your "friend" seems to be a user and you are the nanny with atm-function.

Your "friend" lives her life. You should concentrate on yours and not give yourself up for her.

OP posted:

🤷‍♀️ I grew up poor and struggling, came in as roommate and saw that I could give them a better childhood than I did. it’s just gotten complicated and gone overboard since then.

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