tristeham posted:

it's genuinely impressive to be that misinformed on so many different historical events.

TheNamedSavior posted:

But he's good at Judo so SA jerks over him. He'd be loving dead if he fought an half decent BJJ user or anyone who uses forms of Judo that are actually practical, but ssssssssssssshhh, drink the vodka kool aid baby.

TheNamedSavior posted:

But he's good at Judo so SA jerks over him. He'd be loving dead if he fought an half decent BJJ user or anyone who uses forms of Judo that are actually practical, but ssssssssssssshhh, drink the vodka kool aid baby.

TheNamedSavior posted:

How? Is it any less misinformed than thinking that Hamas won't suddenly start "disappearing" their political rivals if Israel magically stopped trying to bomb them?

TheNamedSavior posted:

How? Is it any less misinformed than thinking that Hamas won't suddenly start "disappearing" their political rivals if Israel magically stopped trying to bomb them?

TheNamedSavior posted:

You unironically support putin.

SorePotato posted:

Hamas are the rightful rulers of Jerusalem

30.5 Days posted:

TheNamedSavior is really annoying but on the other hand he was so annoying that he managed to get probed in D&D, and also got Herstory's star taken away again, and that's very, very funny. So please try to see both sides of the issue.

A Russian troll farm posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGIKctW0oK4

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm reading a biography of Yigal Allon and there's a lot of mention about Jewish politics being split between Labor and Revisionists. This would have been around the 1920s and 30s. Anyone want to weigh in on some background between these sides?

SplitSoul posted:

i say swears online posted:

i'm not as familiar witih pre-independence but the dividing lines were always there. labor dominated the first half of israel's existence, while Herut was a fringe right-wing party made up of militias from before and during '48. you'll see Menachim Begin's name pop up lots in this period, dunno his economic politics but it's possible you could compare him to a Le Pen figure. his influence steadily grows until he's able to form a government in the late 70s mirroring the right-wing shift in the US and UK. herut merges witih likud in the late 80s, netanyahu is begin's political successor and the rest is the story of labor zionism's continued decline in the face of revisionist zionism and ultra-orthodox

at the moment there's a secular zionist government in power but as you'll note it hasn't been the norm since '77, and is more defined as anti-netanyahu than a coherent ideology other than regular zionism

i say swears online posted:

i'm not as familiar witih pre-independence but the dividing lines were always there. labor dominated the first half of israel's existence, while Herut was a fringe right-wing party made up of militias from before and during '48. you'll see Menachim Begin's name pop up lots in this period, dunno his economic politics but it's possible you could compare him to a Le Pen figure. his influence steadily grows until he's able to form a government in the late 70s mirroring the right-wing shift in the US and UK. herut merges witih likud in the late 80s, netanyahu is begin's political successor and the rest is the story of labor zionism's continued decline in the face of revisionist zionism and ultra-orthodox

at the moment there's a secular zionist government in power but as you'll note it hasn't been the norm since '77, and is more defined as anti-netanyahu than a coherent ideology other than regular zionism

Horseshoe theory posted:

Both Labor and Revisionist Zionism have big Ashkenazi supremacy vibes (and not just rabidly anti-Palestinian/Muslim), although Labor (Mapai) masked it better.

i say swears online posted:

revisionist zionism is more nationalist, militaristic and where the idea of 'greater israel' comes from; it's a direct critique of ben-gurion's labor zionism as too soy, hence the 'revision'. it has a more religious component because it reaches back to jewish ethnic and religious history to lay claim from the sinai to the euphrates

labor zionism had some attempt at socialist pacifism and coexistence with palestinians but was always hypocritical in its application as settlers as you can imagine. revisionist zionists are just iiredentists and fascists

gradenko_2000 posted:

ohhhhhh thank you that makes sense!

anyway to make my own contribution I had just gotten to a point in the book where the subject joins a kibbutz and they explicitly admit that the goal was to establish a settlement under false pretense and then present the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association with a fait acompli that they were now too well-established to be asked to leave so even a book that's supposed to be hagiography still ends up depicting Israelis as land-grabbers if you read between the lines

30.5 Days posted:

Imagining a settlement where everyone does land acknowledgements

30.5 Days posted:

TheNamedSavior is really annoying but on the other hand he was so annoying that he managed to get probed in D&D, and also got Herstory's star taken away again, and that's very, very funny. So please try to see both sides of the issue.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Lol how did that happen?

30.5 Days posted:

He complained about us in the D&D China thread, and Herstory commiserated & agreed. In response, TheNamedSavior angrily demanded that Herstory use his games IK powers to start probing C-SPAM posters in games. Herstory gave TheNamedSavior a joke 6er in games, and cinci gave Herstory a 24 hour "placeholder" probe in response. Admin never approved whatever ban/huge probe cinci had tried to wind up, but Herstory's IK star did vanish shortly afterward.

30.5 Days posted:

cinci gave Herstory a 24 hour "placeholder" probe in response. Admin never approved whatever ban/huge probe cinci had tried to wind up

30.5 Days posted:

He complained about us in the D&D China thread, and Herstory commiserated & agreed. In response, TheNamedSavior angrily demanded that Herstory use his games IK powers to start probing C-SPAM posters in games. Herstory gave TheNamedSavior a joke 6er in games, and cinci gave Herstory a 24 hour "placeholder" probe in response. Admin never approved whatever ban/huge probe cinci had tried to wind up, but Herstory's IK star did vanish shortly afterward.