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AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

axolotl farmer posted:

^^^
This is going to be something that the AI companies will be able to charge people for. Being able to generate consistent characters or settings from a prompt.

Even that probably won't be chargeable for long I would guess. You can already get close by reusing seeds in StableDiffusion, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a normal capability within a year.

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Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
Don't pay $10 bucks to change my avatar! Send me a $10 donation to Doctors with Borders and I'll stop posting for 24 hours!

Lord Stimperor posted:

Computer, load up Snow White and 7 Ferengi, high detail, incognito

Oh god that's much worse, I surrender!

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

I'm curious if any of the AI understand oo-mox but unwilling to risk access to find out.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
I have hugely mixed feelings on this stuff now that I've had access to the good ones for a couple weeks. If I could press a button and delete and memory hole it forever, I would. But that's not anything I have the power to do.

On the other hand I've been sketching and photoshopping for years mostly because I wanted a way to visualize ideas I have. And now I can do it in seconds, with 9 variations, in any art style of my choice. Really mixed feelings, I can't even imagine how devastating this must be for the actual professional artists. The most famous will probably still get work but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs out of this.

I think the only possibility is serious legislation. The problem, of course, is that the money will be overwhelmingly on the side of corporations that will want the ability to not pay any of those artists anymore.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


AARD VARKMAN posted:

I have hugely mixed feelings on this stuff now that I've had access to the good ones for a couple weeks. If I could press a button and delete and memory hole it forever, I would. But that's not anything I have the power to do.

On the other hand I've been sketching and photoshopping for years mostly because I wanted a way to visualize ideas I have. And now I can do it in seconds, with 9 variations, in any art style of my choice. Really mixed feelings, I can't even imagine how devastating this must be for the actual professional artists. The most famous will probably still get work but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs out of this.

I think the only possibility is serious legislation. The problem, of course, is that the money will be overwhelmingly on the side of corporations that will want the ability to not pay any of those artists anymore.



I think the minimum acceptable quality will go up. I think the writing staff will not be able to get things out as quickly as someone that is good with the tool. We will still have artists they will just use an AI instead of photoshop, they probably still will use photoshop to finish something up. Maybe they only use the AI to get ideas then draw it entirely themselves. No matter how good AI tools get someone skilled with them will always produce better content that people not skilled with them will want to consume.

It's a new skill set, news papers are gone but the news and journalists still exist. Yes news is also pivoting to entertainment focus over actual reporting but that was happening before the internet.

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
Don't pay $10 bucks to change my avatar! Send me a $10 donation to Doctors with Borders and I'll stop posting for 24 hours!

AARD VARKMAN posted:

I have hugely mixed feelings on this stuff now that I've had access to the good ones for a couple weeks. If I could press a button and delete and memory hole it forever, I would. But that's not anything I have the power to do.

On the other hand I've been sketching and photoshopping for years mostly because I wanted a way to visualize ideas I have. And now I can do it in seconds, with 9 variations, in any art style of my choice. Really mixed feelings, I can't even imagine how devastating this must be for the actual professional artists. The most famous will probably still get work but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs out of this.

I think the only possibility is serious legislation. The problem, of course, is that the money will be overwhelmingly on the side of corporations that will want the ability to not pay any of those artists anymore.

You can't put the genie back in the box on software (that people want, Bitcoin no one is talking about you). If you could, DVD cracking software would have been crushed in its infancy.

But once again, how is AI art different to AI medicine or AI construction?

We are all gonna be unemployed in twenty years, so it's time to dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed. Or start lobbying for UBI.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
I don't disagree at all with either of you, I just feel for the people who are watching themselves lose their job in real time. Yeah, some will be able to transition to a new prompt writing / Photoshop refining job but I just don't see how it doesn't reduce the total jobs available to a fraction. The time saving is orders of magnitude, let alone the quality difference it'll mean for some applications.

Curious what wikiHow will look like a year from now

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
I would start making peace with AIs taking over every job, and eventually running everything and treating humanity like a quaint pet. its gonna be soon

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
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Rutibex posted:

I would start making peace with AIs taking over every job, and eventually running everything and treating humanity like a quaint pet. its gonna be soon

Yeah DallE and the Open AI playground both caught me by surprise in terms of maturity.

I could use the playground right now to generate hundreds of proposals for Defence policy research and hopefully pick up a sweet consulting gig. It would be at least a few months (if ever) before they realised I had nothing original to say.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

Rutibex posted:

I would start making peace with AIs taking over every job, and eventually running everything and treating humanity like a quaint pet. its gonna be soon

That's a best-case scenario. More likely we'll get Skynet SHODAN (humanity being ended by a corporate AI seems more plausible than a military one).

But in the meantime we can enjoy bodybuilding frogs :unsmith:

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

It will be what we make of it. If its the best of us or the worst of us is up to us as well. And most likely a mix of both, descended of humanity and human in its own way. Eventually.

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
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Sedgr posted:

It will be what we make of it. If its the best of us or the worst of us is up to us as well. And most likely a mix of both, descended of humanity and human in its own way. Eventually.

We are going to create AI's that have depression aren't we.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Party Ape posted:

We are going to create AI's that have depression aren't we.

tesla seems to have already created suicidal AIs so yeah we are.

dot communist
Mar 28, 2005

If you think you won't be able to ask an AI for a series of the same character, and in the same style, then I think you may be underestimating where this is going.

As for the ethical issue of "they took our jobs," that is an issue with roots in how our society operates. Automation of art itself is not going to keep an artist from making art. But if an artist has to take a lovely job in order to survive then that will absolutely hinder their artistic endeavors (as it already does for millions of unknown would-bes). This is an issue not with the automation of art, but with the commodification of labor.

The type of art that people make for a living, by and large, is not the same as what they would be making for expressive purposes. A few artists make a living in fine art, but most do not. These AIs will be used for illustration in news articles and magazines, ads, book covers, YouTube thumbnails and the like. Maybe as far as graphic novels and concept art. In other words, the type of art that people make in exchange for a wage so they don't starve.

The other ethical issue is that these AI are being trained on the work that artists have created over the past several centuries. The body of work that artists have made throughout history is now being leveraged against them. Someone made a clever machine that does their job, like so many factory workers before them, but with an additional twist of the knife the AI engineers built that machine not just out of their own clever imagination, but by using the very product of the artists themselves.

These two issues are intrinsically linked. The problem lies not with automation or AI itself, but in the motive behind its creation. It is the motive behind trading labor for security in the neo-liberal hellscape that is late-stage capitalism. For sure it's not super chill that the work of artists is essentially being stolen in order to simulate them into obsolescence. It is distasteful. But practically speaking it would not be a hindrance to the survival of artists if artists (and people in general) didn't have to hustle for scraps.

More automation across the board would actually be a good thing. It would free people up to pursue loftier activities. But if we're ever going to achieve Gene Roddenberry's dream of space socialism then people need to be freed from the yoke of capitalism, bla bla, let's build some guillotines comrade.

I also don't think it's super effective to get frustrated at artists for not being sympathetic to the plight of others who have been rendered obsolete before them. First, it's kind of painting a whole group of people in pretty broad strokes. To insinuate that artists only started caring when it happened to them is a weird generalization to make. Second, it's a way to perpetuate an air of apathy for the downtrodden that capitalism relies on in order to work. A lack of sympathy for people and a devaluation of their worth is what got us into the mess we're in now. If we're going to get out of it then we'll need as many guillotines as possible, and they might as well be pretty guillotines so welcome to the cause, comrades.

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

Revenant thinkr code generated from deep data extrapolation would also result in depression and mental illness artifacts from incomplete information and incongruities. Probably. Maybe.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
100% agreed, dot communist

bonus keanu

Yaldabaoth
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Can we have a separate thread for discussing the philosophical ramifications of this technology and use this thread solely for posting weird, funny, and scary pictures? As someone who has no talent and would actually like a program that generates art for me, I just want to look at the crazy pictures because I'm not really someone who is affected by the creation of this technology and as such, it's not my place to weigh in on it.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
I need an AI to read all that and not tell me about it.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
Check out this horror I saw someone make in my channel yesterday

Objective Action
Jun 10, 2007



Huh, I thought the bodybuilding frogs were cool but uh...maybe don't ask Stable Diffusion for prompts that include "bodybuilding" I got some really quite NSFW results out of that.

Here's one of the more tame ones:

:nws: ? https://i.imgur.com/plwDOFZ.png

I did manage to get some more Myconid like creatures out thanks to the tip-off from people that "portrait" really slams the human features in there.

dot communist
Mar 28, 2005

Yaldabaoth posted:

Can we have a separate thread for discussing the philosophical ramifications of this technology and use this thread solely for posting weird, funny, and scary pictures? As someone who has no talent and would actually like a program that generates art for me, I just want to look at the crazy pictures because I'm not really someone who is affected by the creation of this technology and as such, it's not my place to weigh in on it.

I find it funny that you of all people are asking others to change their posting habits, but not in an annoyed way, more like a "oh isn't that cute" way :allears:

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
How about some velociraptors making omelets





AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Kylaer posted:

How about some velociraptors making omelets







how about a Velociraptor and Jeff Goldblum making omelettes

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


AARD VARKMAN posted:

how about a Velociraptor and Jeff Goldblum making omelettes



mid and bottom right are the best, hybrid the two things *raptor screech*

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

AARD VARKMAN posted:

how about a Velociraptor and Jeff Goldblum making omelettes



:stonk:

I'm going to call this one a win for DallE over Stablediffusion, those hands :can:

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
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Yaldabaoth posted:

Can we have a separate thread for discussing the philosophical ramifications ...

That's a fair point, I'll put away the pitchfork.

Party Ape fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Aug 15, 2022

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Yaldabaoth posted:

Can we have a separate thread for discussing the philosophical ramifications of this technology and use this thread solely for posting weird, funny, and scary pictures? As someone who has no talent and would actually like a program that generates art for me, I just want to look at the crazy pictures because I'm not really someone who is affected by the creation of this technology and as such, it's not my place to weigh in on it.

Well, the thread is titled "Skynet is here: Dall-E-2 Is Hella Terrifying" so that topic seems pretty relevant

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!


Surprisingly good faces in this one, although wonky hands as expected. Prompt was "renaissance painting of a young woman taking apart a pocketwatch gears" to see how the AI would handle that kind of complexity and it did much better than I anticipated.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

how good are these things at drawing just like cute doodles?

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
I knew it in my heart of hearts this time was coming when Deep Dream first showed ups rainbow fish dogs on any picture you gave it.
I also now know I always knew somewhere that what I like as a human being can easily be codified and stuck in a nice little package for an incredibly complex Ai black box that nobody is *quite* sure how its working. How it works, really, is you have the best junior artist in the world, the perfect art student, on the other end of a phone line waiting for you to describe what you want. The better you are at explaining the better your results will be with the added caveat that this student on the other end of the line doesn't know everything (the gently caress is a quiver' it asks) and doesn't know grammar perfectly, along with with having a little flair of its own.


You're using the tool yeah? Your opinion matters just as much as anyone's, your thoughts on the matter mean something in the greater conversation. Personally I really like the mix of incredibly wild art and the philosophical quandaries associated with it. I straight-up reject your 'go somewhere else I don't want to feel bad' request. :colbert:

Messing with CFG, steps, and neon in Stable Diffusion. Some of these would be masterworks for a designer's portfolio circa 1965 and that's loving nuts.


























kater posted:

how good are these things at drawing just like cute doodles?

Perfect. Like you want anime, chibi, 8 year old's crayon drawing?

kater
Nov 16, 2010

scribbling in the sides of a book pls

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

StableDiffusion
!dream "doodles in the margin, line art, detailed, intricate, 4 k, illustration "





Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
Tested to see if DallE knows what marginalia is

"medieval marginalia drawing of a cat dancing with a dog"



Yes, pretty close :smugwizard:

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

kater posted:

scribbling in the sides of a book pls

If you could give an example of a real image it'd be probably trivial to recreate exactly, at least style wise

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

AARD VARKMAN posted:

If you could give an example of a real image it'd be probably trivial to recreate exactly, at least style wise

dude right after the request posted an example but something similar to Radiohead would be cool to see



I drew castles in my margins...

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

A bunch of dall-e stuff:

man on the highest mountain of Europa, jupiter visible on background, digital art


3d rendering of a volvo station wagon inside a fish bowl full of water, on a starfield background


rowdy student party in a crowded night club, fisheye projection, colored pencil drawing, anime style


happy grinning students in a party by a fire in a forest, listening to dance music from a boombox, in style of vincent van gogh


"group of men making one mile high concrete pyramid, in style of Peter Rubens"


volcanic eruption in an island with lots of black smoke, photographed from a hot air balloon, vaporwave style


a nuclear test in Novaya Zemlya, photographed from an airplane, equidistant fisheye projection, vibrant colors


volcanic eruption in Ahvenanmaa with lots of black smoke, photographed from an airplane with a tele lens, digital art


a woman photographing a sunset with a 4x5" film camera, at beach, digital art


a woman setting up a 8x10" film camera to a ledge next to an endless ocean, during a sunset, digital art, darkish (doesn't really understand what a 4x5 or a 8x10" camera is)


two average IT millionaires spending holiday at north norway, backgound with mountains


80's movie poster with big biceps, helicopter and car and a bicycle, woman in distress


student party in a crowded night club, fisheye projection, black and white pencil drawing, anime style


female barbarian on a pile of skulls, surrounded by slain orcs, in style of Frank Frazetta


barbarian on an iceberg, illustration by Brom


giant two-handed intricately ornamented longsword on a bed of plush red satin, drawn by Frank Frazetta

Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Aug 15, 2022

Swedish Thaumocracy
Jul 11, 2006

Strength of >800 Men
Honor of 0
Grimey Drawer
I'm in the stable diffusion beta and yeah, this is terrifying and amazing at the same time. Some of my better results, also showcasing the incredible breadth this thing is capable off:












The devs talk about the Democratisation of Art. No longer will "human creativity" be bound by access to time, resources or even skill. All future artists will need is an internet connection and basic literacy; or at least a discord channel like Stable Diffusion has to "steal" other peoples prompts from!

The beta discord being semi-public is one of my favourite parts about stable diffusion, because not only are you generating your own 1-9 Rembrandts a minute, so is everyone else and you can see their results, allowing you to iterate that much faster. Feeling lost, your idea just not working out? Jump into one of the other 50 channels and look for something that catches your eye and copy/paste it wholesale into your own channel and exchange one or two words to make it match with what you were going with originally. Its wild!

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

kater posted:

scribbling in the sides of a book pls




Stuff like this is more difficult to get out of Stable Diffusion because it becomes tough to seperate out the idea that you want an aspect of the image to be a certain style (the textbook) and another portion to be a different (the scribbles). Prompt engineering (lol) can make it happen but this would be infinitely easier with in-painting.

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

EVIL Gibson posted:

dude right after the request posted an example but something similar to Radiohead would be cool to see



I drew castles in my margins...

!dream "storybook castle, detailed, 4 k, intricate, illustration, line art, lined paper, doodle "







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AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

EVIL Gibson posted:

dude right after the request posted an example but something similar to Radiohead would be cool to see



I drew castles in my margins...

Interesting request. Very difficult to make SD create childlike drawings without it throwing in some incongruously high quality bits, like the shading on the third image here





Tried a lot of variations on this as the prompt.

!dream "very simple line drawing of a furnace with people around it, pen on paper simple drawing by a 7 year old" -n 9

Interested to see if anyone else can get close

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