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It's unrealistic, but them being technically able to do it doesn't seem impossible given the other ways the FAM universe is already way beyond ours in abilities. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the Phoenix alone has a similar mass to everything ever put into orbit (including shuttle orbiters) at the same point in our timeline.
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I had a theory that even I thought was too dumb to share. The NK land on Mars and do the actual smart hard sci-if thing of using the laval tubes as underground habitats. All you have to do is cap both ends and space-stucco the walls and pressurize it. Boom: instant vertical habit with a stable temperature and plenty of radiation shielding. While down in the tubes, they discover liquid water and their sustainability goes way up. Lava tubes full of grow lamps and plants. The whole deal. That would be both believable and hilarious. NK hits the ground running with an actual functioning Mars colony, albeit basic as gently caress on the inside.
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It feels like the show SHOULD be on a trajectory to realize that the thing holding everybody back/causing problems is capitalism, ESPECIALLY if they want to eventually end up as Star Trek... but I feel like that isn't going to happen 
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The Soyuz has an orbital segment too, maybe NK beefed it up before yeeting it out there? I bet if Russia tried really hard they could pull off a similar suicide mission with a Soyuz today, but they're too busy I guess
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Jerusalem posted:It feels like the show SHOULD be on a trajectory to realize that the thing holding everybody back/causing problems is capitalism, ESPECIALLY if they want to eventually end up as Star Trek... but I feel like that isn't going to happen
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bawfuls posted:except Trek mostly has better writing and coherent politics HAHAHAHAHA. Maybe in the 20th century. Enterprise had that stupid rear end temporal cold war AND space 9/11. Watch picard or discovery or Into Darkness and say that poo poo. Jerusalem posted:It feels like the show SHOULD be on a trajectory to realize that the thing holding everybody back/causing problems is capitalism, ESPECIALLY if they want to eventually end up as Star Trek... but I feel like that isn't going to happen Since the USSR is still a going concern, and the advances from the space program in this version, Capitalism in FAM is not at the same point as ours. My thought is rather than by revolution over the capitalists, FAM will go the route of eventual One World Government, and expansion of social services etc until things are functionally socialist, but without the actual ideology or realities of capitalism kicking and screaming. So very libby but not like rah rah capitalism. I'm sort of surprised they haven't highlighted the UN more, since that is usually the vehicle for these sorts of soft unifications as the closest thing to an actual functioning international institution. More than anything that's happened this season, the idea that cold war era soviet space program people are working out of NASA is the least convincing to me. The stuff last season with the very tense relationship to make the space dock work felt more legitimate, but on the other hand we are in a 90s where gorby has been liberalizing the USSR for a decade ands ince we get very little from the soviet POV maybe that's the explanation. I don't know. DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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Marsupial Ape posted:I had a theory that even I thought was too dumb to share. The NK land on Mars and do the actual smart hard sci-if thing of using the laval tubes as underground habitats. All you have to do is cap both ends and space-stucco the walls and pressurize it. Boom: instant vertical habit with a stable temperature and plenty of radiation shielding. While down in the tubes, they discover liquid water and their sustainability goes way up. Lava tubes full of grow lamps and plants. The whole deal. That would be both believable and hilarious. NK hits the ground running with an actual functioning Mars colony, albeit basic as gently caress on the inside. If Martian colonization stories trip your trigger then read Red Mars and sequels by Kim Stanley Robinson. They did some underground lava tube habitats there. Can’t remember if the hippie Martian rebel hideouts were there or only under the icecaps.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I had a theory that even I thought was too dumb to share. The NK land on Mars and do the actual smart hard sci-if thing of using the laval tubes as underground habitats. All you have to do is cap both ends and space-stucco the walls and pressurize it. Boom: instant vertical habit with a stable temperature and plenty of radiation shielding. While down in the tubes, they discover liquid water and their sustainability goes way up. Lava tubes full of grow lamps and plants. The whole deal. That would be both believable and hilarious. NK hits the ground running with an actual functioning Mars colony, albeit basic as gently caress on the inside. I thought the lava tubes would pop up again too, maybe draining the aquifer after the drill explosion.
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DamnGlitch posted:HAHAHAHAHA.
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withak posted:If Martian colonization stories trip your trigger then read Red Mars and sequels by Kim Stanley Robinson. They did some underground lava tube habitats there.
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:It was 25 years from the first moon landing to multiple moon bases, worldwide fusion power, and a base on Mars with a kind of space station floating overhead. That's held back? The constant running theme of season 3 is that money/funding is causing multiple issues: NASA's self-funding status - the goal of Ellen's mentor from season 1 and 2 - makes it a target for politicians wanting to strip it bare for their own projects, which is preventing a lot of Ellen's policies from being enacted as they make access to the funds a sticking point for their support; the Helium-3 mining on the moon and Dev's fusion technology means a bunch of the fossil industries shut down, but this has created mass unemployment and a ton of resentment from people who see people going to space (and to space hotels in episode 1!) but feel like they can't afford to live on Earth, jobless and homeless and living in tent cities and getting radicalized; and Dev (who is free to do mostly as he likes because he's rich) and his own goals for space travel/colonization etc are being stymied by the Board who aren't interested in inspirational ideas they just want to keep posting profits and are happy to just stick with helium mining on the moon and nothing else. Maybe simplistic, but a lot of what has worked for this alternate timeline so far has been based on the idea of,"Forget the money, we gotta get this done!" (even if for nationalistic bullshit reasons) and a lot of what has hosed up or fallen apart has been as a result of: Data Graham posted:🤌
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The biggest plot hole is that there is somehow poverty due to free energy. Quite the goddam opossite. The cheap energy production would drastically lower the cost of everything. Or even elimate the concept of cost. Putting aside the fact that the smartest decision would be to set up a jobs program putting those skilled laborers to work constructing the new fusion plants, they have had fusion long enough that the overhead costs of civilization should be so low that it is trivial to fund universal health care and UBI. It’s loving stupid people are mad about fusion. You want that good communism, you gotta get that free and clean energy, first. After that, you can’t even use human work as measurement of worth because it has become irrelevant.
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Marsupial Ape posted:The biggest plot hole is that there is somehow poverty due to free energy. Quite the goddam opossite. The cheap energy production would drastically lower the cost of everything. Or even elimate the concept of cost. Putting aside the fact that the smartest decision would be to set up a jobs program putting those skilled laborers to work constructing the new fusion plants, they have had fusion long enough that the overhead costs of civilization should be so low that it is trivial to fund universal health care and UBI. It’s loving stupid people are mad about fusion. This sounds like past promises of "as production goes up work hours will go down!" in that I'm sure we'd find a way to gently caress it up.
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Marsupial Ape posted:The biggest plot hole is that there is somehow poverty due to free energy. Quite the goddam opossite. The cheap energy production would drastically lower the cost of everything. Or even elimate the concept of cost. Putting aside the fact that the smartest decision would be to set up a jobs program putting those skilled laborers to work constructing the new fusion plants, they have had fusion long enough that the overhead costs of civilization should be so low that it is trivial to fund universal health care and UBI. It’s loving stupid people are mad about fusion. "New technologies making energy, and thus energy-dependent products, cheaper" has been a defining trait of the industrial era, even with indirect costs like pollution. Even when it leads to massive increases in standards of living, it's disruptive and in the short to medium term some people come off worse. And yes, we're still in the short-to-medium term in the 1990s of the series. Coal miners losing their jobs to He3 power plants in the fictional world aren't going to be happier than their real world counterparts losing them to gas plants and automated mining. Nor are they likely to be more receptive to "well you can go back to school for more relevant jobs!" They're just gonna blame different people.
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Yeah in reality outside of public ownership, that would just mean greater profits margins, not lower product prices. And even in the case that it stops inflation dead (I highly doubt it), those guys getting laid off would still be all pissed off, justified or not, just cuz the industry they are in disappears. They make a point that they are trying to pass a jobs and social safety net bill that would alleviate this pressure, and she's deadlocked with the people who want raid NASA's budget. Certainly cheap free clean energy SHOULD be boone to all, but it's a plot hole in the way that all the loving awful poo poo that happens to us on a day to day basis now is a plot hole. It some of the more accurate points of the season, if a little cute because of the conspiracy theory stuff and having young rich evans come along for the ride. DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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Killer robot posted:"New technologies making energy, and thus energy-dependent products, cheaper" has been a defining trait of the industrial era, even with indirect costs like pollution. Even when it leads to massive increases in standards of living, it's disruptive and in the short to medium term some people come off worse. And yes, we're still in the short-to-medium term in the 1990s of the series. Coal miners losing their jobs to He3 power plants in the fictional world aren't going to be happier than their real world counterparts losing them to gas plants and automated mining. Nor are they likely to be more receptive to "well you can go back to school for more relevant jobs!" They're just gonna blame different people. I’m from Kentucky. Coal miners can go gently caress themselves. Not really relevant as an argument, but I admit I am biased. gently caress ‘em.
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pokeyman posted:This sounds like past promises of "as production goes up work hours will go down!" in that I'm sure we'd find a way to gently caress it up. The out of work coal workers makes for a good plot point but it's just not enough people to cause national unemployment to get way worse. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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bawfuls posted:Rising energy prices are a significant contributor to inflation.  maybe as the justification for inflation, but no. That would be profit motive.
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They also aren't in the era of unlimited basically free energy yet. They're reliant on Helium 3 from the moon, expensive to mine, and a lot of the new energy coming online from fusion plants will be going into things like transport.
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bawfuls posted:things can have multiple varied & interrelated causes For All Mankind: things can have multiple varied & interrelated causes... or Danny is on pills again.
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I feel like Ronald D. Moore is not the guy to give us the "Star Trek" style anti-capitalism, secular-humanism future. When we get to season 10 and it's 500 years later in another star system the primary drama between characters will still be fueled by adultery, substance abuse, and religious fanaticism.
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Penitent posted:I feel like Ronald D. Moore is not the guy to give us the "Star Trek" style anti-capitalism, secular-humanism future. I don't think Moore wrote anything for the show this season (and it shows IMO).
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Open Source Idiom posted:I don't think Moore wrote anything for the show this season (and it shows IMO). I dunno, Ed's "There's gonna be a reckoning when this is over" is straight up Adama from BSG
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Tighclops posted:I dunno, Ed's "There's gonna be a reckoning when this is over" is straight up Adama from BSG There are two BSG writers who still work on the show, so it could be their influence? Weddle and Thompson, who wrote pretty much every Starbuck episode across the four seasons of that show.
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While it's physically impossible to bring two people to Mars in a Soyuz capsule and land them safely, there is also the psychological aspect. It's gonna be very hard to keep them sane for 6 months while they are stuck in a room the size of a closet and under constant psychological pressure. You'd probably have to hand them a garbage bag full of opiates and pray for the best.
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GABA ghoul posted:While it's physically impossible to bring two people to Mars in a Soyuz capsule and land them safely, there is also the psychological aspect. It's gonna be very hard to keep them sane for 6 months while they are stuck in a room the size of a closet and under constant psychological pressure. You'd probably have to hand them a garbage bag full of opiates and pray for the best. Dude was going to blow his brains out, my man.
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I don't care what any of you say, Karen could still be alive. That supposed "death stare" after Jimmy uncovered her in the rubble was too short, and I swear she stayed moving slightly the whole time. And that awkward wording when Danni tells Ed ("Karen was there"), leaves it wide open. Maybe they haven't decided what they want to do with Karen for season 4 and wanted to leave some wiggle room.
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CygnusTM posted:I don't care what any of you say, Karen could still be alive. That supposed "death stare" after Jimmy uncovered her in the rubble was too short, and I swear she stayed moving slightly the whole time. And that awkward wording when Danni tells Ed ("Karen was there"), leaves it wide open. Maybe they haven't decided what they want to do with Karen for season 4 and wanted to leave some wiggle room. She did the thing where her eyes stop moving and stare into nothingness which is the most common visual language for someone dying that ever existed short of them exploding. I assure you she is fully loving dead, but I cannot materially disprove it so I look forward to the next 5 pages of This poo poo. Edit: Ok I can here's Shantel VanSanten saying she's dead. https://collider.com/for-all-mankind-shantel-vansanten-season-3-karen-death-interview/ Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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Does anyone else think it's kinda funny that all the regulars leave this show by dying? Like, no one just quits or becomes boring and moves away, they have to have a building fall on them or their plane drop off of the sky.
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Hakkesshu posted:Ok I can here's Shantel VanSanten saying she's dead. OK, that does seem to settle it then. Then, this is really lovely writing. They went to a lot of trouble to set her up as the CEO, which had great potential, then threw it all away. And I still say the wording in the Ed/Danni scene was just plain weird.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Does anyone else think it's kinda funny that all the regulars leave this show by dying? Like, no one just quits or becomes boring and moves away, they have to have a building fall on them or their plane drop off of the sky. For all it's initial presentation as grounded sci-fi, this show somewhat leans into the mythos of space pioneers as ten foot tall folk heroes, so of course they can't just retire or get a job on the speaking circuit. And even when they do, the call to back adventure ultimately gives them one last chance to go out in a blaze of glory and exit this mortal realm through the gates of Valhalla.
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I really did expect them to kill Ed, because I have no idea how they can sell Joel Kinnaman being 70+ years old, but I guess I want to see them try.
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I thought they were gonna do a crazy heroic death for Ed, like on ascent he realises that fuel is burning quicker than they expect but doesn't say anything to Kelly, acting like everything is going to plan, fuel runs out at the moment she needs to separate, and while she jets to safety he falls back towards Mars, doomed but at peace with his life.
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Dev’s next venture will be cryogenics and Karen’s reanimated head in a jar will be orbiting Saturn and reading a bedtime story to Ed Jr. The fake-out I could see is Margot somehow got out of her punishment and her being in Russia is not some covert extraction to avoid prison time or whatever but the whole mars support had to move there after the JSC blew up and there are still joint US/USSR operations that she is involved with.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Does anyone else think it's kinda funny that all the regulars leave this show by dying? Like, no one just quits or becomes boring and moves away, they have to have a building fall on them or their plane drop off of the sky. This is something that's killing the show for me a bit. Karen's son died horribly, her son's friend's parents both died horribly, her second husband died horribly, her ex-husband almost dies horribly a bunch of times, the father of her adopted daughter's baby dies horribly, said daughter and baby themselves come close to dying horribly, and then finally she herself dies . . . horribly. Molly's death was particularly gratuitous, particularly in light of the complete lack of scenes between her and Wayne this season, and her absence overall. I'm honestly surprised they restrained themselves enough to not have him overdose on a speedball or something. I get it's a drama show, but the 'every character who leaves gets a dramatic death' thing is ridiculously overplayed and on-the-nose. It would be ok to just have some of these people move away and get on with their lives. Let Molly and Wayne be a happy old retired hippy couple smoking dope in peace somewhere ffs. Drunk in Space fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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Drunk in Space posted:This is something that's killing the show for me a bit. Karen's son died horribly, her son's friend's parents both died horribly, her second husband died horribly, her ex-husband almost dies horribly a bunch of times, the father of her adopted daughter's baby dies horribly, said daughter and baby themselves come close to dying horribly, and then finally she herself dies . . . horribly. you either die in some crazy manoeuvre or live to die in the next crazy manoeuvre
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