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That lil nugget from the one juror was interesting, but I want to hear from the jury now that they can know their struggling for hours to come to a compromise on punitive damages meant nothing because it would never have gone beyond the cap. So hosed up to make them go through that process in good faith thinking they need to find the proper amount, when it doesn't even go anywhere. Ofc it's so people can think the justice system still works, when you go through all the motions and it's quietly capped after you leave. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Aug 15, 2022 |
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The fact that the jury are forbidden by statute knowing what is clearly vital information is incredibly telling and completely outrageous.
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Aug 15, 2022 19:22
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Deptfordx posted:The fact that the jury are forbidden by statute knowing what is clearly vital information is incredibly telling and completely outrageous. Works really well, though. Jury decides on high damages, 95% of the people think justice was served, newpspaers her headlines with big numbers, 'reform' advocates sell outrage to rubes ("That told lady got burned in mcDonalds and got a BAJILLION dollars!"), actual business rear end in a top hat get a small hit in reality and the free publicity more than makes up for it.
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Aug 15, 2022 19:43
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Pattis' attorney in CT has filed a Motion to Dismiss the Show Cause Order saying that the judge doesn't have jurisdiction due to the bankruptcy. The show cause hearings were scheduled for wednesday 10:00 for Reynal and 10:30 for Pattis. The judge issued a new order saying that she'll hear the MTD at 10:30 and issue her ruling orally on the record with written decision to be issued later. She then told them to have their witnesses for the show cause hearing which will follow immediately after she rules on the MTD.
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Aug 15, 2022 20:33
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Mr. Nice! posted:Pattis' attorney in CT has filed a Motion to Dismiss the Show Cause Order saying that the judge doesn't have jurisdiction due to the bankruptcy. My impression of this sounds like “judge is pissed and required to respond to the motion so she’s banging this out as quickly and harshly as possible”, but I know just enough about the law to get dumb opinions and be wrong and also dumb-wrong. How close am I?
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Aug 15, 2022 20:38
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Xiahou Dun posted:My impression of this sounds like “judge is pissed and required to respond to the motion so she’s banging this out as quickly and harshly as possible”, but I know just enough about the law to get dumb opinions and be wrong and also dumb-wrong. Spot on (also you could tell she was extremely pissed already in the hearing last week)
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Aug 15, 2022 20:40
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Piell posted:Spot on (also you could tell she was extremely pissed already in the hearing last week) I’ve been following these cases for a while lol. “Judge is seething” has been the background state.
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Aug 15, 2022 20:42
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Xiahou Dun posted:My impression of this sounds like “judge is pissed and required to respond to the motion so she’s banging this out as quickly and harshly as possible”, but I know just enough about the law to get dumb opinions and be wrong and also dumb-wrong. Yup. That was as clear a message to Pattis' lawyer that she's giving him his hearing on the record for him motion as she is required to do, but that she is going to deny it immediately after his presentation and then continue with sanctioning Pattis.
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Aug 15, 2022 20:47
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yup. That was as clear a message to Pattis' lawyer that she's giving him his hearing on the record for him motion as she is required to do, but that she is going to deny it immediately after his presentation and then continue with sanctioning Pattis. So does this one also have a listening line? I'm p sure it does but I don't remember the district name and am appealing to the mercy of the thread for a link
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Aug 15, 2022 20:51
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"I motion for a bad court thingy!"
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Aug 15, 2022 20:52
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KitConstantine posted:So does this one also have a listening line? I'm p sure it does but I don't remember the district name and am appealing to the mercy of the thread for a link Waterbury uses the same live YouTube stream, typically. It cut out briefly during the last hearing at the request of the defense lawyers, but came back up pretty quickly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad7Q7V5Aw7Y
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Aug 15, 2022 20:53
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KitConstantine posted:So does this one also have a listening line? I'm p sure it does but I don't remember the district name and am appealing to the mercy of the thread for a link It'll be listed here on Wednesday: https://jud.ct.gov/PublicAccess/CourtList.aspx?d=Waterbury
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bird food bathtub posted:"I motion for a bad court thingy!" “This verdict is written on a cocktail napkin. And it *still* says guilty. And guilty is spelled wrong.”
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Aug 16, 2022 00:06
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Subjunctive posted:You don’t file your “worth” with your taxes. You’re taxed on net-of-whatever income, not assets held. He can absolutely say “I had a bunch of income but don’t have any of it left because of expenses”, since I believe that we’re talking about corporate assets for the most part. My thinking on the IRS thing is that there's going to be some sort of tax evasionish issue for Jones, just as a result of his antics. Even if he's not purposely committing some sort of tax evasion, he and/or his people hosed something up during all that transferring assets, creating shell companies, and other financial fuckery. Honest and diligent people make mistakes all the time, so imagine the kind of clusterfuck Jones's situation is
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Powerful Katrinka posted:My thinking on the IRS thing is that there's going to be some sort of tax evasionish issue for Jones, just as a result of his antics. Even if he's not purposely committing some sort of tax evasion, he and/or his people hosed something up during all that transferring assets, creating shell companies, and other financial fuckery. Honest and diligent people make mistakes all the time, so imagine the kind of clusterfuck Jones's situation is Do you think he’s even bothering to file taxes for all this bullshit? The IRS got Capone.
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E: Well this isn’t the thread I thought it was.
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pseudanonymous posted:Do you think he’s even bothering to file taxes for all this bullshit? The IRS got Capone. I'm sure he's forging them out so he gets money back every year
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Aug 16, 2022 06:48
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pseudanonymous posted:Do you think he’s even bothering to file taxes for all this bullshit? The IRS got Capone. That's exactly my point. I literally posted that the IRS got Capone Powerful Katrinka posted:I mean, in the end it was the IRS that jailed Al Capone.
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Aug 16, 2022 13:47
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We may never know for sure who got Capone, the important thing is that he got got
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Aug 16, 2022 14:16
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I heard the IRS got Capone
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Aug 16, 2022 14:52
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Figure four leg lock gets em every time
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I missed this because I wasn't tracking a connecticut federal bankruptcy action, but the CT plaintiffs got their remand from bankruptcy court. I have not finished reading through this, but it looks like things are about to start moving in CT besides the disciplinary hearings tomorrow. https://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=23357462
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I'm sorry is this the thread where we find out who got Capone? Asking for a friend
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Aug 16, 2022 16:20
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Anyone who wants to read - if you skip to the "Discussion" section you get the real meat of the order. Potential shade from the Judge on page 5/6/7 including in the footnote. Everything after page 8 appears to just be a duplication of pages 2-8.
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Aug 16, 2022 16:24
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Didn't award costs though, the knife could have been twisted harder.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I missed this because I wasn't tracking a connecticut federal bankruptcy action, but the CT plaintiffs got their remand from bankruptcy court. Thanks for the update! Love reading documents
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AJ added to it so it's 187k IRS agents. That's roughly twelve divsions which is double the initial force invading Normandy.
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How many people are employed by the IRS?
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KitConstantine posted:Anyone who wants to read - if you skip to the "Discussion" section you get the real meat of the order. Potential shade from the Judge on page 5/6/7 including in the footnote. The duplicates are there because there are three consolidated cases in CT so that required three different remand orders - one for each case.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The duplicates are there because there are three consolidated cases in CT so that required three different remand orders - one for each case. I figured, just warning people so they don't go looking in the later pages for anything new
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That’s got they got Snipes.
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Is there something going on today? Did the CT case start?
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SalTheBard posted:Is there something going on today? Did the CT case start? Nothing is happening today. The case was just formally remanded back to the CT court today from bankruptcy court. There will be show cause hearings tomorrow against attorneys Reynal and Pattis for leaking confidential information. Jury selection resumes on the 18th in CT case. Pattis just now filed a motion to disqualify the judge from his show cause hearing tomorrow. https://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=23358319
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Ahh ok! I saw like 200 new posts or something and was worried I missed something!
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Nah, just a lot of shitpost.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nothing is happening today. The case was just formally remanded back to the CT court today from bankruptcy court. There will be show cause hearings tomorrow against attorneys Reynal and Pattis for leaking confidential information. Jury selection resumes on the 18th in CT case. single response from the judge filed 5 minutes later Eat poo poo directly from my rear end in a top hat you gently caress because I will see you tomorrow where I rip your head off
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By the way speaking of sanctions have we gotten any news on sanctions for Reynald?
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LionYeti posted:By the way speaking of sanctions have we gotten any news on sanctions for Reynald? Tomorrow morning at 10am is the show cause hearing.
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LionYeti posted:By the way speaking of sanctions have we gotten any news on sanctions for Reynald? He's got a show cause hearing tomorrow as well in CT. Nothing new in the Texas case so far, as far as I know. Reynal is at 10, the slap down for Pattis's poo poo is at 10:30, and immediately after that is Pattis's hearing
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The last thing on the TX docket was the judge's order denying Reynal's motion to enforce protective order to cover his rear end from his fuckup. She just sharpied over his language, wrote denied, and signed it.
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