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bawfuls posted:I knew that game was bad but LOL wtf even is this? Do you just teamfight all the time? you still have to collect xp "globes" from the creeps in lane that die, but the xp is given to everyone on your team. so basically you want to kill creeps as quick as you can and grab the xp. then periodically map specific objectives will activate (collect something on the map, take and hold an area etc), and both teams will have to compete for these objectives. if you get the objective, typically it will damage the enemy team's structures or throne in some way. so basically yeah but not really e: ho ho! ha ha! Kevin Bacon fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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If you ever get annoyed at timers that dota has for creep buffs or neutral item drops (I think these came in after hots launched?) or rune spawns or rosh timers, imagine the whole game revolving around having to carry an item or kill creeps in a specific place or do a KotH thing every five minutes.
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Aug 16, 2022 19:50
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Glory to Italia!
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RealityWarCriminal posted:i don't remember hon porting pa. they didnt need to, they had SCOUT "SCOUT MID OR I FEED" was the rallying call for all the public games.
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Aug 16, 2022 19:51
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Kevin Bacon posted:you still have to collect xp "globes" from the creeps in lane that die, but the xp is given to everyone on your team. so basically you want to kill creeps as quick as you can and grab the xp. then periodically map specific objectives will activate (collect something on the map, take and hold an area etc), and both teams will have to compete for these objectives. if you get the objective, typically it will damage the enemy team's structures or throne in some way. so basically yeah but not really Yea it's basically this. Each map has its own unique objectives that you must secure if you're going to win, it's not like LoL/DOTA where you're just pushing lanes and hitting towers. But the game is structured to encourage hitting creeps and looking for ganks in between the timings for those objectives. Honestly I do give Blizzard a lot of credit for really making their own game rather than just copy pasting League. It's fun in a casual way, matches are quick like Turbo DOTA which is nice, but overall I just don't think it's a good/interesting game from a competitive perspective.
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ngl it was kinda fun to dunk on moba casuals. I liked furion for his nuke for some reason. Thing that killed it for me was that I couldn't use the dota-style camera grab. You either auto followed, edge panned, or the mmb grab would leave your cursor where you originally clicked. You weren't really grabbing the ground (like in black and white or dota), your cursor would disappear while you dragged and would reappear in the same absolute screen location instead of sticking to the grab-point. Hard to describe but it was infuriating and I resorted to edge panning which hurt my soul.
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Aug 16, 2022 20:05
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Sab669 posted:That surprises me. HOTS was such its own thing with no items, no last hitting, global EXP. Can't imagine going from that to choosing DOTA, hah HOTS exists in this weird space where it has enough mechanical depth to scare away casual players but it’s kind of garbage so anyone who has any interest in mobas will probably just go play league or dota anyways. There is fun to be had from a “this sure is blizzard IP and some of the buttons are fun to press” perspective but blizz definitely misjudged how important mechanics like last hitting, XP, and items were to the moba gameplay loop and ended up making a game that no one wants.
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Aug 16, 2022 20:23
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HoTS is all about an announcer screaming at everyone about the objective that your team promptly ignores
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Mr.Acula posted:HoTS is all about an announcer screaming at everyone about the objective that your team promptly ignores it starts out as that, and once you become familiar with the game its about you screaming at everyone doing the objective while the enemy teams throne is open and ripe for destroying while the enemy team is all dead
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Aug 16, 2022 20:39
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Yea, it's a "MOBA Lite" but even so it's still somewhat hard to pick up. I'm not sure I'd agree that they "misjudged how important the features they killed are"; the game definitely had a good enough player base.... Although I suppose my definition of "good enough" is probably different than what ActiBlizz hoped/wanted. Hence them killing it off  But mostly I just think that by making it more casual it does kill the competitive scene because, again, it's just not that interesting. There is no decision making.
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Blizzard’s complete failure to recognize DotA’s potential for like a decade, letting Valve hire Icefrog and eat their lunch remains one of their biggest gently caress ups. Between some battle passes, random skins, and dotaplus I’ve spent more on this game the past decade than any Blizzard game aside from WoW. Probably about the same as I’ve spent on ALL non-WoW Blizzard games in that time span. Then again, Blizzard appears incapable of making the F2P game model work so they surely would have hosed it up anyway.
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Aug 16, 2022 20:53
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Hots is about playing Murky and being a huge rear end in a top hat
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noob game. never played it, never will.
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Sab669 posted:
We will never know because the competitive scene died due to Blizzard pulling the plug after a successful season and not informing a single person or team that their futures were gone.
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If a game is good it can sustain its own competitive scene
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Mr.Acula posted:If a game is good it can sustain its own competitive scene They killed all support. As in it went in to maintenance mode.
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I know that, but if people actually still wanted to do events life would find a way. Like Smash bros. Melee as a dumb example
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Mr.Acula posted:I know that, but if people actually still wanted to do events life would find a way. Like Smash bros. Melee as a dumb example i think its a more interesting discussion than we're making it out to be. a game that must be played in person has a stronger community than online only games. brings us to thoughts postulated by the frankfurt school freaks, fisher, etc. more here than meets the eye reckon. perhaps online games are doomed to sunset by their very nature.
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I feel like I've had this exchange more than once: <pos 5 is bitching about something in post-game chat> Me: Uhhh it says here pos 5, that you placed 3 wards in a 45min game yet you're complaining about someone else being bad at their role Pos 5: Wards are free! Me: Since they're free what is the rationale behind not doing it? Pos 5: Pos 4 was useless so I made them do it
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my mmr dropped to a career low 10 back in like May, said gently caress it and only started playing heros i feel somewhat competent on, up to 700 now, if cm eats a nerf this next patch i'll be sad at least they should buff sand king a bit, one of the few unpicked and ubanned heros at the major
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JollyBoyJohn posted:my mmr dropped to a career low 10 back in like May, said gently caress it and only started playing heros i feel somewhat competent on, up to 700 now, if cm eats a nerf this next patch i'll be sad wait WHAT is your mmr?
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Smythe posted:wait WHAT is your mmr? 700 right now, yeah i know its shite
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RealityWarCriminal posted:Hots is about playing Murky and being a huge rear end in a top hat
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I haven't played Dota for over a year and I feel much better for it
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hots put somebody I'd never heard of in as the tank unit instead of Edmund Duke.
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played 2 games last night for the first time in a year god drat getting stomped owns
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idc who places the wards but i hate when they're all on our side of the map because the carry is a scared lil baby who won't farm unless they're directly under vision at all time
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TOOT BOOT posted:I feel like I've had this exchange more than once: I kinda get this though. Sometimes I'm stuck stacking camps in Dire Jungle, roaming with the rest of the team, or the game just isn't going well and I simply can't rotate around as much as we'd all like. Don't be afraid to grab 1 of those 2 wards in stock and put it right where you want it.
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Groovelord Neato posted:hots put somebody I'd never heard of in as the tank unit instead of Edmund Duke. And she is inexplicably teeny tiny compared to everyone else.
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It can be hard to get wards deep if you are under pressure. No chance to be on that side of the map, and it's a risk they'll see you coming. But in our dumpster MMR you can burn a smoke to do it. You probably aren't using those well in a random match anyway
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no one here in dumpster mmr gets that you should probably have vision of at least one enemy, either by ward or by a creep wave pushing, before smoking, they just ping "gather for smoke" and then run blind up a hill into the enemy team. even just having 4 guys smoke and 1 sit on the wave to draw the enemy team in is better but no, we're behind so the only way to get back in is to yolo into the fog of war
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Plank Walker posted:no one here in dumpster mmr gets that you should probably have vision of at least one enemy, either by ward or by a creep wave pushing, before smoking, they just ping "gather for smoke" and then run blind up a hill into the enemy team. even just having 4 guys smoke and 1 sit on the wave to draw the enemy team in is better but no, we're behind so the only way to get back in is to yolo into the fog of war This happens in the 5k+ bracket too.
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smoke ganks are irrelevant at my low mmr because even if you get a pickoff there’s a 90% chance your team will just go back to farming small camps on your side of the map anyways
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I forgot about how punishing it is to play against an even minimally-competent Beastmaster. Thankfully you rarely see them at my MMR. Mid got picked off around 40min and they just beelined down mid and throned before he respawned.
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TOOT BOOT posted:I forgot about how punishing it is to play against an even minimally-competent Beastmaster. Thankfully you rarely see them at my MMR. Mid got picked off around 40min and they just beelined down mid and throned before he respawned. im a beastmaster spammer but i stopped playing basically when they removed necrobook. he was bar none the most ownage 3 in history with the book. you'd get book 1 right as you dinged 6. bing roar a guy get a double kill then take the tower. rotate mid repeat and thus like ciceros av says "victory is assured" gently caress you icefraud for removing this item. not as fun with hotd & the stomp creep
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Necronomicon needed to go, badly. As much as I loved winning with pos4 sniper that rushed necronomicon, Zoo strats are currently very strong, and we’re like a single straw away from being a zoo meta. Chen / Enchant / Lycan / Enigma / Beastmaster are plenty strong without being given another map control / dominance 7min item.
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DNK posted:Necronomicon needed to go, badly. As much as I loved winning with pos4 sniper that rushed necronomicon, It needed to be reined in but I don't think fully removing it was warranted.
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Necronomicon was awesome because the guys were hosed up little weirdos and there aren’t enough hosed up little weirdos in this game they’re getting rid of them all
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The item had been in the game since forever it was stupid to just remove it.
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It still exists as the 5th tier "gently caress why are you still playing a match this long" neutral item
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Groovelord Neato posted:The item had been in the game since forever it was stupid to just remove it. It really felt like the laziest choice possible. It was a unique item, that added to the game.
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