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Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin

Trabisnikof posted:

Obviously this must be news to you, otherwise your hand waving would be a sign of lack of concern rather than ignorance about the topic of bias in public health decision-making.

So maybe don’t be so quick to dismiss concerns about “public health decision-making” being biased in ways that it historically has been biased.

The only case of white vs black or whatever that I know of is in the treatment of high blood pressure. For some reason it's recommended to use calcium channel blockers in place of ACE inhibitors in the treatment of HTN because whatever study that formed this basis was done in the 50's or 60's. Recent studies have been repeated on the matter, but there were no changes in management of hypertension as far as I'm aware.

I've simply never heard of the pain management aspect. The only disparity that I'm aware of is with prior opioid abusers needing more to treat their pain. Other than that, every patient is different and deserves a standard of care to treat the pain by carefully increasing the dosage until their pain is adequately managed.

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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




oh my

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
Didnt take long

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:

The only case of white vs black or whatever that I know of is in the treatment of high blood pressure. For some reason it's recommended to use calcium channel blockers in place of ACE inhibitors in the treatment of HTN because whatever study that formed this basis was done in the 50's or 60's. Recent studies have been repeated on the matter, but there were no changes in management of hypertension as far as I'm aware.

I've simply never heard of the pain management aspect. The only disparity that I'm aware of is with prior opioid abusers needing more to treat their pain. Other than that, every patient is different and deserves a standard of care to treat the pain by carefully increasing the dosage until their pain is adequately managed.

Friend, I suggest you maybe checkout the defunct podcast heavy medical, or the writings of Tim Faust in general, he covers the bad medical outcomes poor people and the marginalized have inflicted on them based on societal goals and for profit healthcare. Timberly is a cool guy.

Michael Lewis (the moneyball/big short guy) also wrote a really good book called 'The Premonition' about the covid pandemic and how the medical community and government got its response so wrong by approaching with the wrong framework. His book focuses primarily on the hollowing out of the CDC and previous disease outbreaks that should have been the canary in the coal mine. The worst part of his analysis was it was written primarily during the Trump admin so he had some hope the democrats would do better (lmao).

Coolness Averted has issued a correction as of 06:46 on Aug 17, 2022

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

The only case of white vs black or whatever that I know of is in the treatment of high blood pressure. For some reason it's recommended to use calcium channel blockers in place of ACE inhibitors in the treatment of HTN because whatever study that formed this basis was done in the 50's or 60's. Recent studies have been repeated on the matter, but there were no changes in management of hypertension as far as I'm aware.

I've simply never heard of the pain management aspect. The only disparity that I'm aware of is with prior opioid abusers needing more to treat their pain. Other than that, every patient is different and deserves a standard of care to treat the pain by carefully increasing the dosage until their pain is adequately managed.

lol

Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin

Coolness Averted posted:

Friend, I suggest you maybe checkout the defunct podcast heavy medical, or the writings of Tim Faust in general, he covers the bad medical outcomes poor people and the marginalized have inflicted on them based on societal goals and for profit healthcare. Timberly is a cool guy.

Michael Lewis (the moneyball/big short guy) also wrote a really good book called 'The Premonition' about the covid pandemic and how the medical community and government got its response so wrong by approaching with the wrong framework. His book focuses primarily on the hollowing out of the CDC and previous disease outbreaks that should have been the canary in the coal mine. The worst part of his analysis was it was written primarily during the Trump admin so he had some hope the democrats would do better (lmao).

Michael Lewis owns. I'll definitely check out that.

Tim Faust has been on True Anon a lot too, I think.

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
is this a syq thread lol

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Given (chicken)pox parties are a thing, I kind of imagine there's gonna be an explosion among children at some point.

are they still a thing? i mean that's how i acquired immunity but that was the 80s and they've had a vaccine for a couple decades now

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Nothus posted:

Don't be so sure. One of my wife's co-workers is a massive germophobe who is constantly sanitizing her hands and everything around her, yet she refuses to wear a mask.

she’s not scared of germs, she’s just weird and obsessive for no sensible reason.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Karl Barks posted:

drat it lol

Please don't steal my $10 gift card :(

pretty sure you have delivered to me the first 406 error code I ever remember getting. thank you for this unique experience.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

The only case of white vs black or whatever that I know of is in the treatment of high blood pressure.
...
I've simply never heard of the pain management aspect.

How racist do you have to be to have your head buried in the sand for so long?

Edit) too extreme, sorry. I think this is ignorance instead of malicious.

Yadoppsi has issued a correction as of 13:28 on Aug 17, 2022

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

The only case of white vs black or whatever that I know of is in the treatment of high blood pressure. For some reason it's recommended to use calcium channel blockers in place of ACE inhibitors in the treatment of HTN because whatever study that formed this basis was done in the 50's or 60's. Recent studies have been repeated on the matter, but there were no changes in management of hypertension as far as I'm aware.

I've simply never heard of the pain management aspect. The only disparity that I'm aware of is with prior opioid abusers needing more to treat their pain. Other than that, every patient is different and deserves a standard of care to treat the pain by carefully increasing the dosage until their pain is adequately managed.

you are so loving stupid

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

are they still a thing? i mean that's how i acquired immunity but that was the 80s and they've had a vaccine for a couple decades now
sure, but vaccines case autism/undermine your immune system/make you a 5G receiver

i believe there's also a tradition in some places of doing those parties with other diseases which don't yet have vaccines

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son




Nursing, A Concept Based Approach, Pearson, 2017

Used by UC System nursing schools at least circa 2020

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

projecthalaxy posted:



Nursing, A Concept Based Approach, Pearson, 2017

Used by UC System nursing schools at least circa 2020

:liberalism:

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

Other than that, every patient is different and deserves a standard of care to treat the pain by carefully increasing the dosage until their pain is adequately managed.

I love it when medicine best practices have an implicit assumption that you can schedule a primary care appointment within a month or one with a specialist within 2-3.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

hobbesmaster posted:

I love it when medicine best practices have an implicit assumption that you can schedule a primary care appointment within a month or one with a specialist within 2-3.

cant you? not long ago i walked in off the street with no appointment and saw a dermatologist within 45 minutes, and scheduled a 9am appointment with an endocrinologist just the night before

whiskey patrol
Feb 26, 2003

projecthalaxy posted:

tuskeGee, I sure do love trusting the medical community

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

fart simpson posted:

cant you? not long ago i walked in off the street with no appointment and saw a dermatologist within 45 minutes, and scheduled a 9am appointment with an endocrinologist just the night before

No, you can’t. My experience is that up to 6 months isn’t uncommon. It depends on the specialist.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

unwantedplatypus posted:

No, you can’t. My experience is that up to 6 months isn’t uncommon. It depends on the specialist.

yeah i don’t live in america

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

fart simpson posted:

yeah i don’t live in america

lol we know

you just wanted to post that first bit

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

fart simpson posted:

yeah i don’t live in america

:rubby:

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

fart simpson posted:

yeah i don’t live in america

you were being serious? holy shiiiit :negative:

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Cuttlefush posted:

you were being serious? holy shiiiit :negative:

yeah

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

fart simpson posted:

cant you? not long ago i walked in off the street with no appointment and saw a dermatologist within 45 minutes, and scheduled a 9am appointment with an endocrinologist just the night before

wow, Chinese healthcare sounds terrible! just think of how much waste there must be when you can just go see a doctor!

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

hobbesmaster posted:

wow, Chinese healthcare sounds terrible! just think of how much waste there must be when you can just go see a doctor!

i just feel bad for their insurance companies

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
this is why im voting joe brandon in 2024 so that we can start a hot war with china

because it's not fair

Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin

Cuttlefush posted:

you are so loving stupid

Sounds like you're projecting.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



H.P. Hovercraft posted:

are they still a thing? i mean that's how i acquired immunity but that was the 80s and they've had a vaccine for a couple decades now

of course they are. antivaxx parents prefer infecting their kids over vaccinating them

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Please tell GrandapaPalpatine is syq-ing.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

MonsieurChoc posted:

Please tell GrandapaPalpatine is syq-ing.

honestly they do a good bit and i couldn't tell but

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

Star Trek requires some actual intelligence to appreciate

i think this was too much

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

liz cheney should primary biden

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

THS2 posted:

liz cheney should primary biden

honestly republicans might actually hate her more lol

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

mediaphage posted:

honestly republicans might actually hate her more lol

so the dems are probably open to it

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

mediaphage posted:

so the dems are probably open to it

Harris/Cheney 2024

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

mediaphage posted:

Harris/Cheney 2024

Think bigger. Clinton/Cheney 2024. Reaching across the aisle to bring America together.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Kreeblah posted:

Think bigger. Clinton/Cheney 2024. Reaching across the aisle to bring America together.

Does not voting for two women make me twice as misogynisticberniebro'd?

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

Kreeblah posted:

Think bigger. Clinton/Cheney 2024. Reaching across the aisle to bring America together.

oh hell yea

Uranium Phoenix
Jun 20, 2007

Boom.

mediaphage posted:

Harris/Cheney 2024

As President of the United States of America, I, Kamala Harris, would work to ensure that all the stakeholders of this great country, the United States of America, would have equitable access to many important voter issues, which is to say, that my administration would be open to listening, and hearing, and coming to places of common ground and bipartisan agreements about hot button issues, the kind of issues that concern the people who are citizens of the United States of America. My administration would seek to maximize our collective understanding of how we would engage with these issues, including the issues that we know are important to people, and additionally, the issues that may be, or may be becoming, important to the citizens of this great country, and maintain our positions on issues that have already been decided, while also deciding to engage with, and do what we have been doing with, the other issues that are so polarizing today, which we have been doing. As a country, that country being the United States of America, critically, we have to work together to understand where we are, we have to have the courage to speak the truth about what our own truths are, and then, having spoken those truths, partner with each other to inspire each other to take the opportunities to do the work of talking and thinking about how we will explore them. I will say, what has been clear, is that, in the places we can make decisions, we've made them, and every day the time to make those decisions is now, where we are continuing to make them. Every day, it is time for us to agree to acknowledge that there are things and tools that are available to us to act on these important policy issues. Thank you.

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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
im not reading that but i fully believe it's an accurate recreation

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