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it was actually synthesized as part of a program to develop the ultimate bicycle joyride
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Real hurthling! posted:cia funds infiltration of counterculture and cognitive awakening of its members with lsd cybernetic capitalism harnesses our opposition and resistance to learn how to produce better subjects and grow more complex and capable. 
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I've been getting ketamine infusions for depression and it rules. You listen to some cool music, see some cool poo poo, then rest the rest of the day and feel slightly less depressed.
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Aug 17, 2022 13:12
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Zodium posted:cybernetic capitalism harnesses our opposition and resistance to learn how to produce better subjects and grow more complex and capable. The metaverse is hot trash so far. I like how zuck wants to turn VR into meetings and shopping at wal mart like that's what people really want
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Aug 17, 2022 13:16
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Hot Karl Marx posted:The metaverse is hot trash so far. I like how zuck wants to turn VR into meetings and shopping at wal mart like that's what people really want what does that have to do with my post
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Milosh posted:I've been getting ketamine infusions for depression and it rules. You listen to some cool music, see some cool poo poo, then rest the rest of the day and feel slightly less depressed. it's so so good listened to a bunch of GSftEotW eps while getting infusions and it was pretty pleasant
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Milosh posted:I've been getting ketamine infusions for depression and it rules. You listen to some cool music, see some cool poo poo, then rest the rest of the day and feel slightly less depressed. I love that psychiatric therapies will go to crazy lengths to try and make people slightly less depressed before doctors will even consider agitating for a society that isn’t mind cancer
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Aug 17, 2022 13:25
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therapists will literally lobotomize people instead of engaging in class struggle.
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Aug 17, 2022 13:29
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Zodium posted:what does that have to do with my post I just thought metaverse/VR universes had to do with "cybernetic capitalism" Have people live out their fantasies online and forget about the real world, forget about the real world and how to improve it
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Aug 17, 2022 13:31
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I just thought metaverse/VR universes had to do with "cybernetic capitalism" I see. I suppose the metaverse would be more of a wholly digital capitalism, and it probably won't work because you need people to actually labor in the material world for there to be surplus value. cybernetic capitalism is about self-regulating governance machinery through systems implementing real-time feedback and second-order control while maximizing behavioral complexity, e.g., allowing a contained experimentation with psychedelic substances in order to both explore new modes of living that reinforce Capital's stability, as well as to identify and immunize Capital against modes of living that threaten its stability. Real hurthling!'s post speaks to that dynamic: the modes of living that were threatening to Capital got culled, and the toxic modes that reinforcd its stability were developed into the internet. there was never a real chance that the communes and whatnot were going to threaten Capital.
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Zodium posted:therapists will literally lobotomize people instead of engaging in class struggle. if you are having a literal lobotomy performed by a therapist, you're in a questionable medical ethics situation
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Aug 17, 2022 13:50
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Victor Vermis posted:Yeah, hoo boy, AI created art that draws from unknown sources across an unfettered landscape of input. Sheeeeeesh. I was auditioning to run jinx’s Twitter account when they swapped him during a ban
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Aug 17, 2022 14:02
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Subjunctive posted:it's so so good I think u accidentally posted your pw there
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VR itself is still a pretty terrible experience. Terrible framerates and input lag and low video resolution along with poo poo graphics that use flat lighting and low polygon counts are all immediately noticeable to people who are used to looking at good computer graphics, so pretty much everyone who plays video games. Even if you have the highest end machine it just looks like poo poo, so nobody but children seem to be into that for very long. I assumed the metaverse stuff was some misdirect by Zuckerberg for something else, but no it really appears that he wants to make the company into a big VR chat product. Beyond idiotic, the whole company deserves to collapse under the weight of his stupidity.
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Pryor on Fire posted:VR itself is still a pretty terrible experience. Terrible framerates and input lag and low video resolution along with poo poo graphics that use flat lighting and low polygon counts are all immediately noticeable to people who are used to looking at good computer graphics, so pretty much everyone who plays video games. Even if you have the highest end machine it just looks like poo poo, so nobody but children seem to be into that for very long. A sibling of mine is a NYC based "metaverse lawyer" and they were trying to argue that no it wasn't just VR chat it was really about Blockchain type deregulatory apparatus
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Pryor on Fire posted:VR itself is still a pretty terrible experience. Terrible framerates and input lag and low video resolution along with poo poo graphics that use flat lighting and low polygon counts are all immediately noticeable to people who are used to looking at good computer graphics, so pretty much everyone who plays video games. Even if you have the highest end machine it just looks like poo poo, so nobody but children seem to be into that for very long. Most people who play video games play them on their phones, so Quest 2's graphics capabilities can mostly keep up (72/90/120Hz, 1-3 frames latent depending on whether you're running the local display or wireless connect to a PC). It has come a long way from DK1 or even Rift CV1 on 970 cards. Art direction is trickier for sure, though, and not all games are well-written. Switch games tend to be stylized graphics too in a lot of cases and they do OK, and even early on the stylized experiences were the ones that had the longest play value IIRC. VR is plenty fun for a lot of people now (I've basically never had a guest who tried it and didn't want to keep playing, including my 70-year-old parents) but it needs to be more like essential if it were to carry a half-trillion-dollar company on its back. VR isn't the only play for Meta, though, or even the Metaverse really, so I don't think it has to bear that load all on its own. We won't be rid of Facebook that easily; VR/AR is still a small part of their operations and investment. E: no doubt there will be some blockchain bullshit in there somewhere, yeah
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much like the real value in a search engine is not delivering useful information to the users, but in collecting data about them, the real value in VR is capturing ecological user behavior for use in robotics, etc.
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I think AR is more likely a source of meaningful user behaviour data. VR user behaviour is pretty much video game user behaviour.
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Subjunctive posted:Most people who play video games play them on their phones, so Quest 2's graphics capabilities can mostly keep up (72/90/120Hz, 1-3 frames latent depending on whether you're running the local display or wireless connect to a PC). It has come a long way from DK1 or even Rift CV1 on 970 cards. Art direction is trickier for sure, though, and not all games are well-written. Switch games tend to be stylized graphics too in a lot of cases and they do OK, and even early on the stylized experiences were the ones that had the longest play value IIRC. If you're immediately buying the newest headset and upgrading your PC every six months for tech demos to people new to VR then that's pretty much the ideal use case for VR. Even then you have to compare it to phone graphics and claim that the awful switch resolution looks good because it's "stylized"? The switch chugs below 10fps often and looks like garbage at 720, I doubt VR improves the experience much. I spent $4K and have a nauseating platform that compares favorably to phone gaming. lol
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Not on switch but yeah I've tried all the steam games people recommend.
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Subjunctive posted:I think AR is more likely a source of meaningful user behaviour data. VR user behaviour is pretty much video game user behaviour. don't scoff at "video game user behavior"; the ability to collect data about user behavior for arbitrary situations with different physics or nonexistent situations is a very powerful methodological tool for behavioral science. for example, it would be difficult to collect data about how people behave if they had six arms outside a VR context, because the real world is built to need two arms only. or see, for example, this personal favorite that used simulated perturbation of movement to empirically test different theories of how people catch balls in the air, which under normal conditions would be relatively difficult to test.
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Pryor on Fire posted:If you're immediately buying the newest headset and upgrading your PC every six months for tech demos to people new to VR then that's pretty much the ideal use case for VR. Nah, I bought a Quest 2 for $400 a while back and it's all I use, standalone. I have a CV1 somewhere as a souvenir, but I don't use it, and I gave my Vive to another Goon. When my kids' friends come over they'd rather play on the Quest than do Fortnite or Roblox, which I understand to be pretty successful franchises. If you think the Switch is an awful platform for games, though, then I expect we're just not going to agree on much about what it means for an entertainment product to be successful. The controls are a lot of it, I think; good motion controls on PC or console could be a lot of fun too, but head-tracking is hard to beat as an interface gimmick. If you spent 4 grand on a VR setup and can't find anything that's comfortable then either you super, 1%-worst sensitive like the first CEO of Oculus, or something is terribly wrong and you should ask for configuration help in a thread or something. You should be able to stay under 20ms of MTP consistently with a wired headset, even before timewarp/spacewarp helps.
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Zodium posted:don't scoff at "video game user behavior"; the ability to collect data about user behavior for arbitrary situations with different physics or nonexistent situations is a very powerful methodological tool for behavioral science. for example, it would be difficult to collect data about how people behave if they had six arms outside a VR context. or see, for example, this personal favorite that used simulated perturbation of movement to empirically test different theories of how people catch balls in the air, which under normal conditions would be relatively difficult to test. oh I know, we learned a lot of interesting things about human sensory systems when we were building the Rift and trying to figure out the optics and tracking and prediction and so forth. a lot of that you can do with flat video though, you just need the body controllers. might as well use VR if it's available, but if that's the catching experiment I'm thinking of the prediction happens when the ball is so far away that there's basically no stereoscopic element to the viewed scene. In 2009 VR setups' resolutions it might literally be sub-pixel. (I think someone recreated that experiment as part of testing different warp/prediction strategies, actually. it's awfully familiar.) I don't think Meta is going to try to add a trillion in market cap off of insights in perceptual science, though.
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my ex had playstation vr, and two oculus devices. one was an economy thing that sucked for 99% of anything you'd wanna do, but the other two were a recent-ish model thing that was fine, had fine resolution and minimal input lag as an experience I guess it was fine, but something skeeves me about vr and the sorts that are into it, and it gives me the wrong kind of cyberpunk vibes.
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Subjunctive posted:oh I know, we learned a lot of interesting things about human sensory systems when we were building the Rift and trying to figure out the optics and tracking and prediction and so forth. a lot of that you can do with flat video though, you just need the body controllers. might as well use VR if it's available, but if that's the catching experiment I'm thinking of the prediction happens when the ball is so far away that there's basically no stereoscopic element to the viewed scene. In 2009 VR setups' resolutions it might literally be sub-pixel. if meta can establish a pseudo-monopoly on identifying ecological variables the way google did with technical information or facebook did with interpersonal information, that's easily a trillion dollars worth of robotics. AR seems like more of a dead end to me.
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idk half-life Alex, il-2, DCS look pretty good in VR on a reverb. I suspect a lot of game devs develop(ed) for lower resolution and lower end hardware, so no point in making detailed environments. wonder if VR has applications in therapy
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Corky Romanovsky posted:wonder if VR has applications in therapy my public elementary school science teacher buddy uses it as a teaching aid and reward system and has some pretty heartwarming tales about permanently disabled children having extremely positive experiences with it i love him and im proud the idea of it being used in a therapeutic settings sounds like it would get the biofeedback quacks hot and bothered
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Zodium posted:therapists will literally lobotomize people instead of engaging in class struggle.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:idk half-life Alex, il-2, DCS look pretty good in VR on a reverb. I suspect a lot of game devs develop(ed) for lower resolution and lower end hardware, so no point in making detailed environments. It's only a paper moon
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Corky Romanovsky posted:wonder if VR has applications in therapy yeah, there are people using it for controlled exposure therapy for phobias and social anxiety, I believe. not quite therapeutic but there's a company that uses VR for public speaking training
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vr is perfect for therapy because the founding, development, research, and application of both were exclusively done by and for wealthy white children
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The Saucer Hovers posted:vr is perfect for therapy because the founding, development, research, and application of both were exclusively done by and for wealthy white children very good. it'll be fully compatible with our psychological and psychiatric theories and interventions.
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i always assumed that the cia found that lsd and other psychedelics helped some people resist coercive influence and this is one reason they are not legal
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Corky Romanovsky posted:
mcluhanism intensifies
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War and Pieces posted:A sibling of mine is a NYC based "metaverse lawyer" and they were trying to argue that no it wasn't just VR chat it was really about Blockchain type deregulatory apparatus Zuck got in trouble or stopped being useful or something. He's out of the club. It's this
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zuck was never in the club he just managed to be the highest paid state department shill of all time
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the elite locked themselves out of the club with the keys inside 20 years ago, and now they can't get back in.
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Victorian Holocausts might not be Epstein material, but I am finding it extremely relevant to today.
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The Saucer Hovers posted:zuck was never in the club he just managed to be the highest paid state department shill of all time he's the frontman for the rebranded TIA project, which was run by Iran Contra personality John Negroponte lol
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