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Skippy McPants posted:I know you're being rhetorical, but Ireland. The account of Savita Halappanavar's death is one of the more horrific things I've ever read. It's not hard to see why her story was one of the galvanizing forces behind overturning an abortion ban in a country that is 80% Catholic. As an Irish person, 80% of the country isn't Catholic in any meaningful sense. There are historical reasons for people ticking that box on the census, but essentially noone <70yo gives a poo poo about religion - my 75yo nun-educated mother is as atheist as anyone here but would still check Roman Catholic
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Push El Burrito posted:Isn't the Forward Party basically a dozen Republicans who got kicked out by Trump and Andrew Yang? quote:The new party will be co-chaired by Yang and Christine Todd Whitman, the former Republican governor of New Jersey. quote:There are no other public members of the Forward Party, but the group says it will partner with members of the Renew America Movement (RAM) and the Serve America Movement (SAM) to achieve its goals.  
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Jaxyon posted:https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2202.html#:~:text=The%20nationwide%20average%20monthly%20rent,start%20from%20around%20100%2C000%20yen. So the same sort of rental in Carlsbad, CA would be 3x to 4x more expensive. SoDesKa
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If you're talking about a "viable third party" without tying that to large-scale voting reform (i.e. moving away from first-past-the-post voting) then you're woefully uninformed. Third parties are not going to get a significant, consistent percentage of the vote without it. Yang talking down to his detractors without understanding the basic theory around this while decrying the two-party system is rather infuriating.
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Aug 17, 2022 18:58
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VideoGameVet posted:So the same sort of rental in Carlsbad, CA would be 3x to 4x more expensive. Yeah I wouldn't say Tokyo apartments are "cheap" or "big", but they are fairly affordable for the average person and the infrastructure is there to get around without a car. People say tokyo apartments are small, and they are, but I'd rather be a little cramped than spend 3/4 of my income on rent.
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Aug 17, 2022 19:02
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:some great data on Drone strikes year to year, and how Biden has significantly ramped down the use of drone strikes. Saw this a while back, stuff like this never gets much play. El Biden has caught a lot of flack, especially from the Left (which tends to be a lot more useful in terms of self-critique than than anything the Right has to say) and much has been well deserved, and there's obviously still many dumpster fires ongoing that would be great to see addressed, but with the passage of the American Rescue Plan of 2021, and now the IRA yesterday, and all the various other positives, where do people feel like Biden currently ranks among his predecessors, particularly his contemporaries for relevance's sake.
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ryde posted:If you're talking about a "viable third party" without tying that to large-scale voting reform (i.e. moving away from first-past-the-post voting) then you're woefully uninformed. Third parties are not going to get a significant, consistent percentage of the vote without it. Yang talking down to his detractors without understanding the basic theory around this while decrying the two-party system is rather infuriating. They vote for the actual GOP
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Aug 17, 2022 19:14
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Failed Imagineer posted:As an Irish person, 80% of the country isn't Catholic in any meaningful sense. There are historical reasons for people ticking that box on the census, but essentially noone <70yo gives a poo poo about religion I fuckin wish. Here in TN it's Catholic/ Christian everything. On anything dating "Jesus is #1". I want my work experience and to get the gently caress out because I'll die single if I stay here longer than I need to.
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I'm not sure who Yang is even trying to target. I'm not sure Yang knows who he's trying to target. They're wanting to be a centrist party, while trying to peel off left voters who don't want to vote for the democrats (for being too centrist), and I'm not sure that I've actually seen anything from them targeting Republicans who may want a Conservative option that isn't the GOP, who you think would be closer to their actual ideology. Yang may as well just change his slogan to "I'll say whatever you want to get your vote", considering I haven't seen him give any concrete answers to questions on anything.
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He's some combination of cynical grifter and outright idiot, like everyone else on the Right. I think he tends more toward outright idiot but that's speculation based on how unsuccessful he's been so far.
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If I was being charitable I would presume the idea behind Yang's party would be to try and capture that small % of moderates that flop between parties depending on the election. By capturing that middle they can influence and gain power by picking between the D / R in close races and forcing concessions. I think this is wrong and guaranteed to fail, but I think that'd be the idea if you were trying to do something beyond grift.
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-Blackadder- posted:El Biden has caught a lot of flack, especially from the Left (which tends to be a lot more useful in terms of self-critique than than anything the Right has to say) and much has been well deserved, and there's obviously still many dumpster fires ongoing that would be great to see addressed, but with the passage of the American Rescue Plan of 2021, and now the IRA yesterday, and all the various other positives, where do people feel like Biden currently ranks among his predecessors, particularly his contemporaries for relevance's sake. Evaluating presidents is always tricky because they govern under such divergent circumstances, and in particular they have more or less direct or indirect authority depending on national issues they inherit and the disposition of Congress. So far Biden seems to have accomplished a fair amount given the razor-thin margins, and to my uneducated eye is doing very well on foreign policy- but he's also getting the advantage of a backlash against the alt-right and consolidation/development in coverage of these issues that didn't occur under earlier Presidents.
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Kalli posted:If I was being charitable I would presume the idea behind Yang's party would be to try and capture that small % of moderates that flop between parties depending on the election. By capturing that middle they can influence and gain power by picking between the D / R in close races and forcing concessions. I think its more he reads the polls of people saying X Party has gone too far in its politics, thinking well if I can capture those 50% I can really become a viable candidate. Not realizing that a Democrat or a Republican will vote for their preffered party even if the are radical (in most circumstances). And I said a few pages ago, he thinks it some radical thing to be liberally left but economically right. Literally every third party candidate of note in the past 40 years tried that play and it didn't work. In fact to be a truly radical 3rd party in America would be economically left but socially right.
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Aug 17, 2022 19:42
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Lmao Andrew Yang got popular for advocating for UBI and now his newest project doesn't mention it in any way.
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Kalli posted:If I was being charitable I would presume the idea behind Yang's party would be to try and capture that small % of moderates that flop between parties depending on the election. By capturing that middle they can influence and gain power by picking between the D / R in close races and forcing concessions. the reason is he lost several democratic primaries and needs that to not be because he’s a bad candidate who is a dumb idiot, but knows he’s not winning any republican primaries either
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:He's some combination of cynical grifter and outright idiot, like everyone else on the Right. I think he tends more toward outright idiot but that's speculation based on how unsuccessful he's been so far. I'm pretty sure he leans heavily towards the idiot side. Yang was relatively successful in the tech world and, while not incredibly wealthy, is worth between $1 million and $4 million. It's hard to think he intended to somehow get any meaningful amount of money for this weird third party group when he can't even take personal possession of the funds because of campaign finance rules. Also not clear why the former Republican Governor of New Jersey would want to get in on a group to help Yang fund his lifestyle.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think its more he reads the polls of people saying X Party has gone too far in its politics, thinking well if I can capture those 50% I can really become a viable candidate. Not realizing that a Democrat or a Republican will vote for their preffered party even if the are radical (in most circumstances). And I said a few pages ago, he thinks it some radical thing to be liberally left but economically right. Literally every third party candidate of note in the past 40 years tried that play and it didn't work. In fact to be a truly radical 3rd party in America would be economically left but socially right. Is there a good example from somewhere of what an econ left social right platform even looks like? Give everyone healthcare and UBI but sign the checks Jesus instead of President Yang?
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Aug 17, 2022 19:52
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Yang's current thing is abortions for some, tiny American flags for others but seriously.
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Aug 17, 2022 19:57
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projecthalaxy posted:Is there a good example from somewhere of what an econ left social right platform even looks like? Give everyone healthcare and UBI but sign the checks Jesus instead of President Yang? UBI but slash all social programs, and tax breaks for everybody?
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Aug 17, 2022 19:58
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projecthalaxy posted:Is there a good example from somewhere of what an econ left social right platform even looks like? Give everyone healthcare and UBI but sign the checks Jesus instead of President Yang? Marine Le Pen or many of the nationalist right-wing European parties.
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In the US, it's mostly political catholic academics trying to espouse that position, but i think the mainstream of American thought, at least on that side, is that capitalism serves well as a way to discipline people into doing the socially correct choices, and any affront to capitalism is just helping with the de-virtue-ization.
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Randalor posted:UBI but slash all social programs, and tax breaks for everybody? Pretty much. Make everyone equal on paper under the current text of the law, strip anything that compensates for systemic, cultural, or historical bias
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Marine Le Pen or many of the nationalist right-wing European parties. Thanks. If anyone else was wondering, I found this article from news site France24 that claims to be a translation of Le Pen's position paper (and it does link to a French document I can't read on the FN site) Highlights: -Reduce green card equivalents from 500,000 approved per year to 10,000, and eliminate free green card for spouse of citizens -Massively rebuild French heavy industry in public private partnership -Renegotiate with EU to allow French primacy of economic laws with other nations so that: -Massively raise taxes on foreign industrial goods to both fund and protect aforementioned public heavy industries Specifically she thinks that France should go back to being the world's #1 steel nation like they used to be. That's the route to a free and wealthy France, apparently
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Republican voters would be all the gently caress over leftist programs that loudly and proudly guarantee none of the benefits will go to welfare queens, urban thugs, illegal immigrants, gays or terrorists. Ya know....." " "those" " " people. That entire list of exclusions above comes verbatim from their own rhetoric when they're being presentable in public. Wrap leftist policies in hatred and punishment of the proper minorities and they'll worship you. Trump was halfway towards this before he freaked out the entire establishment and got distracted with shiny objects like building a wall.
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projecthalaxy posted:Is there a good example from somewhere of what an econ left social right platform even looks like? Give everyone healthcare and UBI but sign the checks Jesus instead of President Yang?
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Apologies for substack blog, and it's not a subject I'm super familiar with, but it looks like Intel is taking the CHIPS act cash, cutting it's fab buildout, and juicing shareholder dividents? https://semianalysis.substack.com/p/intel-cuts-fab-buildout-by-4b-to Posting here instead of tech thread because of the CHIPS act implications.
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projecthalaxy posted:Thanks. If anyone else was wondering, I found this article from news site France24 that claims to be a translation of Le Pen's position paper (and it does link to a French document I can't read on the FN site) Socialism, but with nationalism.... I wonder if anyone's thought of that before. 
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I think Yang's a case of someone who heard all the 'we need to be bipartisan  ' ad copy and actually believed it, given he's ending up basically a parody of centrist Democrats without even the excuse of donors who will scream bloody murder at the idea of money going anywhere but into their pockets.projecthalaxy posted:Thanks. If anyone else was wondering, I found this article from news site France24 that claims to be a translation of Le Pen's position paper (and it does link to a French document I can't read on the FN site) Fascists gonna fash, but funny that even they realise offshoring all their heavy industry is coming back to bite them now most of Europe's economy is shuffling the same bits of paper around.
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As a friend once said, I think the issue with Yang is that he's so technocratic that he can't comprehend the idea that there are in fact zero sum ideological conflicts at play in politics. Surely if we just jigger the numbers just so, with the greatest of rationality, everyone will be happy.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Fascists gonna fash, but funny that even they realise offshoring all their heavy industry is coming back to bite them now most of Europe's economy is shuffling the same bits of paper around. Isn’t that a typical nationalist priority?
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Captain Oblivious posted:As a friend once said, I think the issue with Yang is that he's so technocratic that he can't comprehend the idea that there are in fact zero sum ideological conflicts at play in politics. Surely if we just jigger the numbers just so, with the greatest of rationality, everyone will be happy. This was pretty much the standard liberal line for like half a century too, especially post Cold War where all the enemies were beaten and we just had to gently and gradually adjust to live in liberal capitalism happily ever after. And pretty much still mainstream Democrat line.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:This was pretty much the standard liberal line for like half a century too, especially post Cold War where all the enemies were beaten and we just had to gently and gradually adjust to live in liberal capitalism happily ever after. And pretty much still mainstream Democrat line. Fifty years ago Richard Nixon was going strong, the soviet union still existed, and it was four years after the Civil Rights Act.
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Jaxyon posted:Apologies for substack blog, and it's not a subject I'm super familiar with, but it looks like Intel is taking the CHIPS act cash, cutting it's fab buildout, and juicing shareholder dividents? Lol how was this not guarded against in the bill? E: gently caress it's really hard to dig into this because googling Intel just turns up trump crimes instead of the company called intel
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Fifty years ago Richard Nixon was going strong, the soviet union still existed, and it was four years after the Civil Rights Act. Your point?
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Isn't the practice of corporations taking whatever money/tax cuts the government gives them as funds to: upgrade/improve their infrastructure/services, avoid layoffs, expand research, and bailouts to prevent the implosion of the economy, and then funneling it directly to executives and shareholders to spend on hookers and blow basically the norm?* Or is that something that's actually pretty rare? *to be only somewhat hyperbolic
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Kalli posted:If I was being charitable I would presume the idea behind Yang's party would be to try and capture that small % of moderates that flop between parties depending on the election. By capturing that middle they can influence and gain power by picking between the D / R in close races and forcing concessions. Yeah, to me the only viable path to an actual third party is to somehow tap into the huge % of people who just don't loving vote because they think both major parties suck. We already have a major political party in this country trying to constantly appeal to some small, nebulous amount of "centrist" voters and it's called the Democratic Party. This whole idea that the answer is in the middle all the time is complete bullshit, especially when one one party is becoming more and more insane, fascist and authoritarian and succeeding daily in moving that "center" more and more to the right. I mean, sure, both sides are pretty bad but one has rock a solid base right now of totally crazy people, very few of whom I can take seriously or engage in meaningful discussion with. I guess if Yang is aiming for Democrats who actually do helpful things in ways that aren't merely incremental, then that might work but that doesn't appear to be what he's doing here. And even if he was, good luck with that because half the country is terrified of "socialism" or whatever they imagine that to be.
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-Blackadder- posted:Isn't the practice of corporations taking whatever money/tax cuts the government gives them as funds to: upgrade/improve their infrastructure/services, avoid layoffs, expand research, and bailouts to prevent the implosion of the economy, and then funneling it directly to executives and shareholders to spend on hookers and blow basically the norm?* Or is that something that's actually pretty rare? That is the norm, yes. This is what happens when privatisation and bailouts combine with capitalist practice of seeing private enterprise as literally sacred, and government has no duty infringing on the holy actions of the Free Market.
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