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Data Graham posted:Maybe if they give Orodruin huge cleavage Giving new meaning to the Crack of Doom
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The role is played by Summer Glau, in a shocking, unexpected return
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Aug 18, 2022 15:13
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Judgy Fucker posted:Giving new meaning to the Crack of Doom Crack of Doom: A Lord of the Rings Story Summer 2025
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Aug 18, 2022 15:23
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So if that was for sale, why the gently caress did Amazon not buy it?
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Aug 18, 2022 16:01
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Data Graham posted:Maybe if they give Orodruin huge cleavage gently caress yeah, massive diagenetic slaty cleavage spilling all over the place
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:gently caress yeah, massive diagenetic slaty cleavage spilling all over the place Check out that orogenous zone! 
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Aug 18, 2022 17:27
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Unkempt posted:So if that was for sale, why the gently caress did Amazon not buy it? Yeah for real it doesn’t make any sense Not like a trillion+ dollar company can’t afford it
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Aug 18, 2022 17:39
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The Amazon rights purchase was something like 5 years ago now though?
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MLSM posted:Yeah for real it doesn’t make any sense Last I heard WB/New Line and Saul Zaentz Co. were still in mediation over who actually owns the LotR movie rights; Zaentz brokered the original deal with the Tolkein estate in the 70's, then leased it to New Line to make the Peter Jackson movies. Warner Bros bought New Line and claim they still own the rights because they have kept up payments, but Zaentz claims the rights reverted back to them after no movies were developed for over a decade. So it's entirely possible that what Embracer Group bought was a share of an ongoing lawsuit. It would also explain why they picked it up relatively cheaply.
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Aug 19, 2022 04:23
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Given how they are presenting these shows, when they get sued I imagine they will be able to be covered as a parody in most jurisdictions. How does international parody law work? I know there is Hamas Mickey Mouse.
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Aug 19, 2022 05:27
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oof https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1560741766650662912
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They're both going to suck, but for different reasons. Nobody will even bother trying to make new fantasy television series for the next decade or two.
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Aug 19, 2022 23:21
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I'm guessing for general audiences there's been no real hook for Rings of Power. The entire sell is "Hey, remember Lord of the Rings?" and I think in order to really hit and get hype it needed a "wow" moment. Like if we saw a shapeshifting werewolf Sauron or a bunch of Balrogs attacking Ungoliant or whatever. Just something to make audiences perk up and go "Oh poo poo, what's this?"
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they should probably have hired at least a few famous actors as tentpoles for it. who knows what the draw of house of the dragon would be without matt smith
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kliras posted:they should probably have hired at least a few famous actors as tentpoles for it. who knows what the draw of house of the dragon would be without matt smith I was going to make a snarky comment about Matt not helping the draw for Morbius or Terminator: Genisys but I'm guessing those audience demographics might not have a huge amount of crossover with GOT fans, or at least not nearly as much as Dr Who
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I mean even that awful "Invasion" show had Sam Neill in its first episode
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I was going to make a snarky comment about Matt not helping the draw for Morbius or Terminator: Genisys but I'm guessing those audience demographics might not have a huge amount of crossover with GOT fans, or at least not nearly as much as Dr Who To be fair, based on the trailer for Morbius I kept thinking,"Is Matt Smith actually in this film or did they accidentally put in a .5 second clip from some other show of him walking somewhere and not notice till it had been put online?" Because I didn't see Morbius I have no idea if he's in any more of the film that that scene of him walking somewhere. Does he do a lot of walking in the film? That's a trick question because none of you saw Morbius either.
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feedmyleg posted:I'm guessing for general audiences there's been no real hook for Rings of Power. The entire sell is "Hey, remember Lord of the Rings?" That's a pretty powerful sell though. The sell for the original movies was also just "Hey, remember the Lord of the Rings books?" and it worked really well: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2000/apr/11/lordoftherings.news
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I was going to make a snarky comment about Matt not helping the draw for Morbius or Terminator: Genisys but I'm guessing those audience demographics might not have a huge amount of crossover with GOT fans, or at least not nearly as much as Dr Who
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feedmyleg posted:I'm guessing for general audiences there's been no real hook for Rings of Power. The entire sell is "Hey, remember Lord of the Rings?" and I think in order to really hit and get hype it needed a "wow" moment. Like if we saw a shapeshifting werewolf Sauron or a bunch of Balrogs attacking Ungoliant or whatever. Just something to make audiences perk up and go "Oh poo poo, what's this?" This and the costumes on this show look cheap as gently caress compared to the movies
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feedmyleg posted:I'm guessing for general audiences there's been no real hook for Rings of Power. The entire sell is "Hey, remember Lord of the Rings?" and I think in order to really hit and get hype it needed a "wow" moment. Like if we saw a shapeshifting werewolf Sauron or a bunch of Balrogs attacking Ungoliant or whatever. Just something to make audiences perk up and go "Oh poo poo, what's this?" In theory, Sauron might provide that. People who know Sauron only as a dude in spiky armor/floating eye may be intrigued by Sauron showing up as a handsome man who says reasonable-sounding things (at least at the beginning). I agree that all the most spectacular moments of the second age happen at the very end. Since I'm bored, I tried to determine what the new characters' names mean. Elvish: Adar: "Father". Arondir: The "dir" means "man" (as in "male", not as in "human", at least in his context). I think the "aron" is related to words meaning "tree" or "south"? Eärien: "Sea-maiden". Kemen: "Earth". Dwarvish: Disa: From the old Norse "lady". Mannish (Old English): Bronwyn: The "wyn" element means "joy" (cf. Éowyn "horse-joy"). "Bron" has me stumped. Halbrand: "Brand" means "sword". "Hal" is tricky. Could mean something like "house" or "nook". Theo: There's a common element in mannish names "Théod", meaning "people". I'm guessing Theo is a short nickname for something containing that. William Bear fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 20, 2022 |
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"Bert ell pup" is old Norse for "I love you" so maybe Sauron hooks up with a dwarf? I think there are a few issues with this show and selling it: 1) The number of people who have heard of these stories is pretty small. 2) What people have heard are really broad sketches and aren't real hooks. Sauron tricking people to taking the rings is best presented the way it is in the books and movie: as a quick line in a poem. 3) What we have as source material mostly is, in fact, really broad strokes. If good fantasy cribs from myths/history, mediocre cribs from Tolkein and bad cribs from D&D they are left with at best mediocre fantasy. But worse they've got to try and ape the style of Tolkein without Tolkein. Not a great start. 4) Where is the passion? I'm too young to remember the lead up to Bakashi but I know he did multiple dry runs like Wizards before trying to climb Mt Doom. I do remember Jackson's passion in the lead up to the movies. He was dorking out about it in interviews and clearly cared a lot on a personal level. For me at least that buys a lot of goodwill. Doesn't always mean the person helming is competent or willing to actually do the work (see JJ Abrams with Star Wars) but having it be a lifelong goal is a good sign. Jackson making dorks with PhDs in Sindarin front and center spoke to his priorities. This isn't being presented that way. 5) The broad strokes of these stories have been strip mined for several generations. Not that going back to the "source" can't work but see points 2-4.
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Ar Pharazon is going to be Trump and the show will be "incisive"
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Let’s be realistic here. Lord of the Rings is one of the best known and best selling books in history. Even if people aren’t familiar with the Appendices, they definitely know Tolkien and LOTR. Plus of course the Jackson movies were insanely popular and well received. The stories themselves might not be that well known, but it’s not exactly a niche genre work like the Witcher or Wheel of Time or even Game of Thrones.
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Mameluke posted:Ar Pharazon is going to be Trump and the show will be "incisive" Make Numenor Great Again
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Literally GOT is much more recent that's all this is
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Literally GOT is much more recent that's all this is I think its a combination of both that and the Rings of Power just looking much more like a generic fantasy show than it should, not much about it says Tolkien. Jackson's trilogy has a very distinct visual aesthetic to them thats totally absent in ROP. I get that the show needs to look different for legal reasons, but still.
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Maybe what I've been having trouble putting my finger on is that the show is what "the wider world" will get as their first introduction to what Tolkien nerds always mysteriously allude to being "the deeper lore", the stuff that people who only know the movies all are assumed to have missed out on, what the lifelong acolytes have always maintained is "the real story" without any desire or mechanism to go into detail beyond just a vague  look.And if the show sucks, it will make all the nerds look like idiots because everyone will assume "this is what you were on about all this time??"
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Shame this show is being written without rights to any of the books that deeper lore is in lmao
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Mameluke posted:Shame this show is being written without rights to any of the books that deeper lore is in lmao A worry I had recently was that the show would change some beloved, powerful moment because they didn't have the rights to it. It's the easiest thing to fix: just buy it. Amazon has the money.
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Why bother? Only non-profit-oriented geeks care that the villain is called "the Stranger" instead of "Annatar"
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webmeister posted:The stories themselves might not be that well known, but it’s not exactly a niche genre work like the Witcher or Wheel of Time or even Game of Thrones. According to wikipedia The Witcher books sit at 15 million copies sold (2019), Wheel of Time is "over 90 million" (2021) and A Song of Ice and Fire is 90 million (2019). Lord of the Rings is 180 million (2021).
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William Bear posted:A worry I had recently was that the show would change some beloved, powerful moment because they didn't have the rights to it. The way I understand it they're not for sale.
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Oasx posted:According to wikipedia The Witcher books sit at 15 million copies sold (2019), Wheel of Time is "over 90 million" (2021) and A Song of Ice and Fire is 90 million (2019). Lord of the Rings is 180 million (2021). So it's literally twice as popular as the biggest cultural juggernaut of the past 10 years. And I'd be interested to see those numbers eg pre-Witcher 3, or pre-S1 of Game of Thrones. My point is just that "more LOTR stories" isn't a difficult sell since people are pretty familiar with it - unlike the other series that I mentioned.
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webmeister posted:So it's literally twice as popular as the biggest cultural juggernaut of the past 10 years. And I'd be interested to see those numbers eg pre-Witcher 3, or pre-S1 of Game of Thrones. I think something to consider is people who've read LotR are probably more likely to be suspicious and scoff at new media about LotR. That's probably less true of people who've read Witcher or GoT.
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Oasx posted:According to wikipedia The Witcher books sit at 15 million copies sold (2019), Wheel of Time is "over 90 million" (2021) and A Song of Ice and Fire is 90 million (2019). Lord of the Rings is 180 million (2021). The Hobbit also sold at least 100 million copies Judgy Fucker posted:I think something to consider is people who've read LotR are probably more likely to be suspicious and scoff at new media about LotR. . They're also more likely to be dead - the LOTR trilogy was first published back in 1954/5 so a goodly chunk of the people behind those 180 million sales would have died in the subsequent 67 years. EDIT: ticket sales of the movies is probably a better indicator of recent popularity: wikipedia says Return of the King sold 140+ million tickets, The Two Towers sold 130 million. Fellowship wasn't on the list but can't have been far behind. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Aug 21, 2022 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:EDIT: ticket sales of the movies is probably a better indicator of recent popularity: wikipedia says Return of the King sold 140+ million tickets, The Two Towers sold 130 million. Fellowship wasn't on the list but can't have been far behind. The films have additionally all been on various streaming services for years. It might be hard to accurately gauge their current cultural traction without aggregating those numbers.
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I don't think the Venn diagram of people who watch heavily marketed television shows and people who still actually read books--much less fiction--for fun overlaps as much as you all might hope.
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Pioneer42 posted:I don't think the Venn diagram of people who watch heavily marketed television shows and people who still actually read books--much less fiction--for fun overlaps as much as you all might hope. I had a bookish friend on Facebook whining about how Amazon was "alienating LOTR's core audience" and I was like "LOL bookreaders like us aren't the core audience, teen girls who ship Legolas are the core audience" Also the thing that he was super upset about was the fact that Sophia Nomvete had been cast as one of the dwarves and she's not white!!!!! OMG they're shoving diversity down our throats!!! so gently caress that guy forever
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