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Bucky Fullminster posted:The thing about "Forward" is that it is literally nonsensical. We’re all going forward. The question is what line do we go forward on. You need to define a trajectory. He seems to be suggesting that he alone has managed to escape the three dimensions of space to figure out how to move through the fourth dimension of time. "Forward" is the fourth co-ordinate, and it doesn’t make any sense without the other 3 coordinates. Eat something and drink some water
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Bucky Fullminster posted:The thing about "Forward" is that it is literally nonsensical. We’re all going forward. The question is what line do we go forward on. You need to define a trajectory. He seems to be suggesting that he alone has managed to escape the three dimensions of space to figure out how to move through the fourth dimension of time. "Forward" is the fourth co-ordinate, and it doesn’t make any sense without the other 3 coordinates. I feel best way to think about Forward, is that it is like if some donors looked at Americans Elect, thought the problem was that they did not have a candidate first, then removed the half of the interest that came from people who were ditched by the Democratic party in the 90's. This end result is an ideology that was a Simpsons joke.
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Aug 18, 2022 03:32
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Jaxyon posted:Apologies for substack blog, and it's not a subject I'm super familiar with, but it looks like Intel is taking the CHIPS act cash, cutting it's fab buildout, and juicing shareholder dividents? DeadlyMuffin posted:I think this is more Intel struggling than CHIPS act specific. Yeah, it's this. That was all happening/planned well before the CHIPS act looked like a sure thing and ultimately passed. For reference, Intel has been selling off non-core sections (their 5G modem division, They're still trying to push into discrete graphics, but I'm sure that'll be up next to sell/close.
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Aug 18, 2022 03:36
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the Forward people are interesting in the sense that they've identified a genuine bona-fide Market Opportunity: there's a whole bunch of people out there who feel unrepresented by either the democratic or republican parties, and theoretically appealing to those people SHOULD catapult you into a position of real power. and then because they are the kind of people they are, they can't imagine any way to do outreach to them beyond "what if the democrats, but slightly further right" it's like some weird electoral mirror of the economic dominance of right wing ideology. when times are good, those in power agree you have to cut spending, and when times are bad, those in power agree you have to cut spending. when the democrats are in power, democrats need to move to the right to capture undecideds. when the republicans are in power, democrats need to move to the right to capture undecideds.
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Aug 18, 2022 03:42
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Third parties actually holding Congress/Senate seats in the US would probably just lead to weird more single-issue lobby capture than we already have. And let’s not kid ourselves the single issue would be “put the social security trust fund in bitcoin.”
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Aug 18, 2022 04:11
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Probably worth noting that Preferential Compulsory Voting is one of the main reasons Australian democracy has been able to withstand all this as well as it has. It's not perfect by any means, but we are able to elect a fair few greens party members in both houses, while keeping the crazies out almost entirely. The voluntary-first-past-the-post-electoral-college poo poo Americans do is just absurd. If I had a wand to make one change though, it would probably be to limit the influence of money in politics by eliminating political advertising. At the moment it is almost literally "the biggest purse wins", which is basically why the world is hosed. Give all candidates a two page spread, a ten minute spot, and a televised debate weekend, and then go to the polls.
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Aug 18, 2022 04:26
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the Forward people are interesting in the sense that they've identified a genuine bona-fide Market Opportunity: there's a whole bunch of people out there who feel unrepresented by either the democratic or republican parties, and theoretically appealing to those people SHOULD catapult you into a position of real power. It's a result of a very particular set of political ideas you can only get in a specific set of circumstances we happen to have now. The detachment from real issues and materialism to treat political opinions like preferences for flavours of ice cream, uncritically buying into the already barely coherent ad copy of both parties at once with no closer examination, and holding the Golden Mean Fallacy aloft like a holy tenet. It's like libertarians calling for society to be what is already effectively the status quo, but they cannot acknowledge it because they, personally, are supposed to be in charge and powerful.
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Aug 18, 2022 04:33
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Andrew Yang's Forward thing is the first time I've ever seen someone unironically identify as a Repandercrat.
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The NYT has a deep dive on the guy who attacked Salman Rushdie. None of it is too surprising. - He came back from a trip to the middle east in 2018 very interested in fundamentalist Islam. - He was "a loner" who lived with his family, but never talked to them. - His mom has disowned him and he frequently fought with his mom because she wanted him to focus on school and he wanted to do religious studies. - He is a huge fan of the late Ayatollah Khomeini and became obsessed with his writing. - His only friend says he was a nice guy and they didn't keep in touch anymore, but he never thought he would do anything like this. And, obviously, he attacked him because of the fatwa against him. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1560106764456103941
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Probably worth noting that Preferential Compulsory Voting is one of the main reasons Australian democracy has been able to withstand all this as well as it has. It's not perfect by any means, but we are able to elect a fair few greens party members in both houses, while keeping the crazies out almost entirely. The voluntary-first-past-the-post-electoral-college poo poo Americans do is just absurd. What’s really trippy about reading this post is thinking about how I was feeling when I read Lessig in 2011, thinking how hosed we already were by Citizens United. Fast forward to today, and well, lol, lmao.
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Big Slammu posted:What’s really trippy about reading this post is thinking about how I was feeling when I read Lessig in 2011, thinking how hosed we already were by Citizens United. Fast forward to today, and well, lol, lmao. Brian Boyko didn't inspire you to bigger and better things?
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Bucky Fullminster posted:voluntary-first-past-the-post-electoral-college poo poo Americans do is just absurd. "Voluntary" in that it is an artifact of how the state was initially set up and changing it is a huge bar to clear
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GoutPatrol posted:Brian Boyko didn't inspire you to bigger and better things? Wow I had no idea about this LOL
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Aug 18, 2022 05:55
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Blind Rasputin posted:Andrew Yang's Forward thing is the first time I've ever seen someone unironically identify as a Repandercrat. That is a term apparently so obscure that Google only gives me two hits when I look it up, and they're both to two articles written for the same website. I also don't understand what it is supposed to mean 
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I only heard it said by someone calling in to a talk show over a decade ago. I think it is republican pandering and democrat all mushed together to be a single voting class.
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Star Man posted:That is a term apparently so obscure that Google only gives me two hits when I look it up, and they're both to two articles written for the same website. I also don't understand what it is supposed to mean At a guess, it's made up from the words Republican, Pander and Democrat, and is referring to someone who is pandering to both sides to try to peel off votes. Unless that was meant as 
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I swear there was some political organization that had the same stupid "not it, not right, forward" slogan like a decade ago
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Aug 18, 2022 11:38
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More specifically it's pandering to the narcissistic idiots who see themselves as totally above ideology. Everybody knows that rear end in a top hat. He's not left or right, Democrat or Republican, he just wants common sense solutions. What are those solutions? Who loving knows. Thinking about that is ideology. But he's also very very smart because he's different from all those sheeple. It's a party for people who have convinced themselves that they're intelligent but haven't actually given any thought about anything.
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Fister Roboto posted:More specifically it's pandering to the narcissistic idiots who see themselves as totally above ideology. Everybody knows that rear end in a top hat. He's not left or right, Democrat or Republican, he just wants common sense solutions. What are those solutions? Who loving knows. Thinking about that is ideology. But he's also very very smart because he's different from all those sheeple. Again isn't this just mainstream Democrats
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Fister Roboto posted:It's a party for people who have convinced themselves that they're intelligent but haven't actually given any thought about anything. I take it these are the same people in meeting that are always saying "good point", but never really say anything relevant or help decided anything, making their presence in the meetings completely pointless? I see a party full of those sort of people going well, and not being completely utterly pointless.
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Fister Roboto posted:More specifically it's pandering to the narcissistic idiots who see themselves as totally above ideology. Everybody knows that rear end in a top hat. He's not left or right, Democrat or Republican, he just wants common sense solutions. What are those solutions? Who loving knows. Thinking about that is ideology. But he's also very very smart because he's different from all those sheeple. It's really embarrassing. Actually, the funny thing is if he just took the highest ranked public position on everything, it would be basically a leftist party, not some mealy-mouthed centrist one. If they were seriously trying to make this "the people's party" or whatever, they would have made a list of the most popular views and said them already. JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Aug 18, 2022 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Again isn't this just mainstream Democrats I personally know a European person like this and he just votes for the really racist party
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JazzFlight posted:
Right at the center(hah) of this is that the Democrats at some level advocate taxing wealthier people more than low-income people and taxing businesses. Andrew Yang, a VC guy believes that businesses ultimately hold the solution to all problems and taxation at any level would hurt them.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:The thing about "Forward" is that it is literally nonsensical. We’re all going forward. The question is what line do we go forward on. You need to define a trajectory. He seems to be suggesting that he alone has managed to escape the three dimensions of space to figure out how to move through the fourth dimension of time. "Forward" is the fourth co-ordinate, and it doesn’t make any sense without the other 3 coordinates. True. Good point. "Off a cliff", "into a raging forest fire", "directly at the tornado" and "straight into landfill" would all be examples of "forward"
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brugroffil posted:I swear there was some political organization that had the same stupid "not it, not right, forward" slogan like a decade ago It was Bill Clinton who first said "We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling towards freedom"
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Bucky Fullminster posted:The thing about "Forward" is that it is literally nonsensical. We’re all going forward. The question is what line do we go forward on. You need to define a trajectory. He seems to be suggesting that he alone has managed to escape the three dimensions of space to figure out how to move through the fourth dimension of time. "Forward" is the fourth co-ordinate, and it doesn’t make any sense without the other 3 coordinates. It's literally this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqjhHVUzl8o Does Yang even talk about UBI or any specific policy at all any more?
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Zwabu posted:Does Yang even talk about UBI or any specific policy at all any more? He has UBI in his twitter bio, what more could you want!
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The really interesting thing about a Yang presidency is that both his parents are from Taiwan and his dad still lives there. That would certainly add a new tone to The Current Political SituationTM. At least you'd expect it to if Yang had any actual beliefs or ideas i guess.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:The thing about "Forward" is that it is literally nonsensical. We’re all going forward. The question is what line do we go forward on. You need to define a trajectory. He seems to be suggesting that he alone has managed to escape the three dimensions of space to figure out how to move through the fourth dimension of time. "Forward" is the fourth co-ordinate, and it doesn’t make any sense without the other 3 coordinates. It's just radical centrism. His theory is that the radical left and radical right have hijacked the political parties and heavily polarized politics, and that the sensible moderate center have been unable to have their opinions heard due to weaknesses in the system. He's out to get the neverTrump Republicans and the centrist Democrats the representation that has been denied to them by the Progressive Activists and Devoted Conservatives, so he wants to bring them together for a political movement to restore the strength of the sensible center against the fringes that are dragging the political parties away from what REAL AMERICANS want.
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Main Paineframe posted:I think Andrew Yang isn't handling his roasting well. To me, this is the epitome of "Silicon Valley Entrepreneur" thinking. Step 1: Come up with a "disruptive" idea that contains a kernel of a good idea. Step 2: Get investors to throw money at it. Step 3: Money makes the idea become reality. It's the same process that brought us WeWork, Theranos, and Juicero. Yang's "disruptive" idea is a real third party that differentiates and distances itself from the other two parties. How? Well, he championed UBI back in 2020, so that'll be in there somewhere. The rest? That's what the investors (donors and voters) are for, to magically make that idea become reality. Once he gets enough stakeholders, those pesky details will just fill themselves in.
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American Politics being a grift to separate people from money to do nothing except eat it is kind of sad.
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Andrew Yang isn't terribly difficult to understand IMO. He's no different from any other tech bro billionaire who has been insulated from criticism for a decade or more and is consequently high on his own supply. Zuckerberg's metaverse puppets and the Forward Party are an overlapping Venn diagram.
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Unclear yet how this will affect Trump and the Trump org but it's hard to look at this and not think that he's telling them everything. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1560276702433263628?s=20&t=D5S-57Yhr03P6lILcTT-Mw
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Again isn't this just mainstream Democrats no its bros that love South Park ( or want it to "Be Great Again"), Rick and Mort, and think Musk and Rogan are freethinking gods.
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volts5000 posted:To me, this is the epitome of "Silicon Valley Entrepreneur" thinking. To add, its also business people not really understanding how policy or politics work. They've never really needed to understand and they want results for all this money they are spending to change the machinery of bureaucratic governance. Look at all the education reform groups that formed and have fallen away. Funded by billionaires thinking, just change the system how hard can it be.
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skylined! posted:Unclear yet how this will affect Trump and the Trump org but it's hard to look at this and not think that he's telling them everything. When Good Coffee Boys Do Bad Things
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Main Paineframe posted:It's just radical centrism. His theory is that the radical left and radical right have hijacked the political parties and heavily polarized politics, and that the sensible moderate center have been unable to have their opinions heard due to weaknesses in the system. He's out to get the neverTrump Republicans and the centrist Democrats the representation that has been denied to them by the Progressive Activists and Devoted Conservatives, so he wants to bring them together for a political movement to restore the strength of the sensible center against the fringes that are dragging the political parties away from what REAL AMERICANS want. which, again, it must be stressed, is literally just the democratic party's ruling ideology
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:which, again, it must be stressed, is literally just the democratic party's ruling ideology And the fact that this is so very clear and obvious, and that a middle lane does not exist, just sort of reinforces that Yang is.... maybe not stupid because he has had some success with some non-profits, but not very well-informed at all, at least in regards to politics.
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Rigel posted:And the fact that this is so very clear and obvious, and that a middle lane does not exist, just sort of reinforces that Yang is.... maybe not stupid because he has had some success with some non-profits, but not very well-informed at all, at least in regards to politics. Or at least that he might be adept at harnessing the cohort of people who want to feel like they're taking part in the system but the extent of the actual opinions they ever have amount to a 3-star restaurant review. That way you never have to confront anyone!
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Rigel posted:And the fact that this is so very clear and obvious, and that a middle lane does not exist, just sort of reinforces that Yang is.... maybe not stupid because he has had some success with some non-profits, but not very well-informed at all, at least in regards to politics. He's just a kind of dumb guy with good grades who's been able to convince a bunch of galaxy brained VC dipshits into giving him money over and over again, and is incapable of thinking about anything in any terms other than DISRUPTION. Like, yes, the two party system is hosed and needs to be torn down--but he's incapable of seeing that we have a center status quo party and an extremist party. He's also somehow immune to the idea that humans have been trying to solve these problems for centuries because he's convinced he's got a unique solution. Also he's capitalism poisoned, and thus totally incapable of even seeing the problem. Basically, Yang is a loving moron in the Musk/Rogan vein and he should gently caress off and build ships in a bottle or do literally anything else.
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