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People hide in the toilet because they're literally hiding. It's indicative of a bigger problem. Sometimes it's because they're lazy, but I find I only do that when I'm stressed out or feel like I'm going to drown and need a moment. Give people a better working environment and they'll take less breaks because they're happy to be working and needing to take a poo poo becomes an inconvenience rather than an excuse to escape for ten minutes. Thanks for listening to Outrail's 'The turd time indicator of workplace happiness' TED talk.
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Outrail posted:People hide in the toilet because they're literally hiding. It's indicative of a bigger problem. Sometimes it's because they're lazy, but I find I only do that when I'm stressed out or feel like I'm going to drown and need a moment. Give people a better working environment and they'll take less breaks because they're happy to be working and needing to take a poo poo becomes an inconvenience rather than an excuse to escape for ten minutes. I take long shits because I want the maximum amount of money for the least amount of work. I also drink a ton of water so I'm always pissin'. If anyone asks I tell them I have IBS and I'm definitely not having a good time.
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Aug 18, 2022 17:54
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Yeah I don't smoke but back when I was in an office I took a ton of coffee and water and bathroom breaks and if things were slow I'd go for a short walk I have no idea why people think the smoke breaks are so special unless they're people who a terrified to stop working for whatever reason
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Aug 18, 2022 17:56
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Faustian Bargain posted:this is a company problem not an employee one. they should have coverage so that people can do things like take a piss without grinding to a halt. This is very much a production thing. Nobody is looking over my shoulder. Brewing is weird. You have like hours of doing nothing and then a bit of time where you have to be right there or poo poo's gonna go bad. It's just easier to hold it in for a bit longer than it would be to stop everything and walk away. I dunno. It's also just on brew days which are, at most, twice a week.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:00
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My current place has it's issues but they don't give a poo poo about my hours so long as I deliver on product. They also pay salary, and I'm way ahead on pay vs hours worked. It's just a weird thing about brewing where you have certain steps in the process that you cannot walk away from. Recently with summer being over as far as production is concerned, I've been showing up at like noon and leaving at 4 or 5 and it's not an issue. But if you started the boil, for instance, there's no real way to finesse the timing of hop charges without changing the finished product.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:04
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Process manufacturing and hazardous equipment mechanics among a billion other situations especially have a lot of all hands on deck moments that it can be awkward to poop during. And it's usually to your own benefit to handle things ahead of time or on planned breaks. But poo poo happens and the sustainable option is to have coverage and not to treat pooping like a just in time delivery.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:10
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Ideally, yeah, but it's mostly just me. I kind of know my schedule and pinch points in the process, so it rarely happens, but sometimes you gotta hold that poo poo.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:13
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I don't smoke but my work has a basketball court near where I sit so I'll go outside around 2pm or so if I'm feeling a bit sluggish to shoot some hoops for a few minutes to get everything moving and wake back up. It's pretty nice.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:14
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Yeah I drive a lot for work, sometimes the bulk of my day will be driving for an out of state inspection or whatever and I’m not a fan of pooping in blue rooms or public toilets. You just learn your body and plan ahead it’s not really a huge deal or difficult to work around. The idea of regulated bathroom breaks more just seems insulting than inconvenient, like there’s certainly a hostile relationship between employee and employer if it comes down to that.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:19
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Yeah. I'm just a weirdo and get very intense about The Process. If my boss tried to regulate my toilet time I'd be mad as hell.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:21
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Capital Letdown posted:In all my jobs, whenever non-smokers complain along the lines of 'why do they get to go out for smoke breaks, i don't get to stand outside for a few minutes every hour or two', i've always asked 'have you ever tried?' and the answer is always no. When I was in the office, I would invite non-smokers out for "their recommended daily allowance of secondhand smoke." Occasionally they would join (usually because they wanted to bitch and gossip off campus, or ask for advice in private). All of them were like "I don't smoke, but this is nice and relaxing." Now I just step into the backyard once every 90 minutes or so.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:31
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Yeah if I got nothing going on I’ll hang out with the smokers for a bit while they smoke. I also just walk circles in our large yard around the workshop sometimes. Our boss is not a stickler about breaks or whatever as long as you keep up with your workload, though corporate is getting more and more involved and I have a feeling I’ll need to be brushing up my resume soon. It’s just our laziest workers also happen to be the smokers so it’s kind of noticeable when they’re outside half the day and every time you need something from them you’re better off going to their smoking spot than to their desk. They also do not keep up with their workload and it causes problems for everyone but the downside to our boss that’s chill about breaks and such is also too chill to ever discipline or penalize people for performance issues so whatcha gonna do.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:43
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I’m sitting in my living room right now because I am so loving bored that I can’t stand being near the computer right now. I really loving hope work picks up cause I’m one of those people who can’t really enjoy being paid to do nothing. Another reason I want to change positions.
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Aug 18, 2022 18:57
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I didn’t enjoy being paid to do nothing so I took a 20% payrise to do something again and it turned out to be loving horrific and I hate it. Just find something you can do at your desk while you wait for work to happen and never ask for anything else.
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Aug 18, 2022 19:02
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History Comes Inside! posted:Just find something you can do at your desk while you wait for work to happen and never ask for anything else.
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Aug 18, 2022 19:07
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ChickenDoodle posted:I’m sitting in my living room right now because I am so loving bored that I can’t stand being near the computer right now. I really loving hope work picks up cause I’m one of those people who can’t really enjoy being paid to do nothing. Another reason I want to change positions. Can we trade jobs? I'm totally cool with not being exploited 
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Aug 18, 2022 19:09
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History Comes Inside! posted:I didn’t enjoy being paid to do nothing so I took a 20% payrise to do something again and it turned out to be loving horrific and I hate it. Yep, half my day sometimes is reading bullshit on forums and I get paid 85k a year for this? Sweet.
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Aug 18, 2022 19:09
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Escape From Noise posted:A lot of this in brewing for sure. Especially if you ever have to run any sort of packaging line. Running a mobile canning line at the last place I worked (from mobile canners who never came in but just handed the [usually broken] machine to us and hosed off) was especially lovely for this. At most I could ask the other brewer to just make sure something doesn't explode while I sprint to the bathroom for a piss. Escape From Noise posted:My current place has it's issues but they don't give a poo poo about my hours so long as I deliver on product. They also pay salary, and I'm way ahead on pay vs hours worked. It's just a weird thing about brewing where you have certain steps in the process that you cannot walk away from. Recently with summer being over as far as production is concerned, I've been showing up at like noon and leaving at 4 or 5 and it's not an issue. But if you started the boil, for instance, there's no real way to finesse the timing of hop charges without changing the finished product. Pretty much the same here. The other brewer is on vacation this week and I have an easy week, mostly getting a lot of little things wrapped up so we can focus on marathon-brewing four fresh hop beers next week. Between the busiest times and the light times, it balances out pretty well on that front. I just wish the taproom staff here gave a gently caress about anything. The other brewer and I frequently have to take out their empty kegs, clean up the food they left behind, etc. because at the end of the night they mostly drink and gently caress off home, and the taproom managers can't be bothered to do anything about it. It's frankly insulting sometimes because I have plenty of work to do without babysitting people outside my department.
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Aug 18, 2022 19:25
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Outrail posted:People hide in the toilet because they're literally hiding. It's indicative of a bigger problem. Sometimes it's because they're lazy, but I find I only do that when I'm stressed out or feel like I'm going to drown and need a moment. Give people a better working environment and they'll take less breaks because they're happy to be working and needing to take a poo poo becomes an inconvenience rather than an excuse to escape for ten minutes. Also adding: if someone doesn't have enough to do, long toilet breaks can at least make you look like you're busy away from your desk at a meeting or something The existential terror of not having enough work to look busy, worrying they'll just cut your role away if they think you're too idle, so having to find others ways to appear valuable can lead to some weird behaviors
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Aug 18, 2022 19:28
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the key is to treat your job with contempt because the truth is that they need you more than you need them
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Aug 18, 2022 19:29
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Start leaving all their poo poo in the taproom, gently caress that noise
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https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_rgljyrIx681r0uzl6.mp4
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Aug 18, 2022 19:40
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BiggerBoat posted:From what I can tell, a huge majority of companies are looking at Amazon's success and following their model of how they treat workers and hours as a template, not a cautionary tale. I've been bouncing around the last few years from job to job and the lack of flexibility, ticky tack rules, heavy handed tactics and just general bullshit is very prevalent. Wanna know a secret? Amazon (or at least non-poo poo sites) don't do that. Amazon's timeclocks still count you as "on time" as long as you clock in no more than 5 minutes late. Even then it's not a talking you, you just have to use some of your time to cover it. Clock in early? 5 or less minutes and HR doesn't care. More than five minutes? HR might talk to you if it's egregious otherwise they got other poo poo to care about. Cell phone usage? Amazon tried to roll that back as COVID eased and lost. Now managers at my site don't care if you don't have poo poo to do. I openly text, chat and play games on my phone. They're more worried about headphone/airpod usage which sucks but is somewhat understandable since my site handles those and so many people try to steal them (and they're soooo bad at it: it's painfully obvious what happened to any packer when they get a tote that has an open wireless earbud box that's missing it's contents). The bathroom fuckery though? That's Amazon. Admittedly not my site where management has figured out "You can either let them go to the bathroom or get a mop" and quietly fixes your time. Other sites? Yeah. Never loving work a Non-AR Sort or Last Mile facility. The former means the inventory isn't automated so you have dozens of people power-walking up and down the lanes to grab poo poo and those people get hosed for Time Off Task. Last Mile is...Last Mile, an utter shitshow from top to bottom. The facility where people died because they were forced to work instead of being allowed to go home as a tornado ripped the roof off? That was a Last Mile facility. Just...don't go anywhere near a Last Mile facility and if you see the Amazon delivery worker, hand them an electrolyte drink bottle. They could likely use the hydration...and then re-use it as a piss-bottle.
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Aug 18, 2022 19:56
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ArbitraryC posted:Yeah if I got nothing going on I’ll hang out with the smokers for a bit while they smoke. I also just walk circles in our large yard around the workshop sometimes. Our boss is not a stickler about breaks or whatever as long as you keep up with your workload, though corporate is getting more and more involved and I have a feeling I’ll need to be brushing up my resume soon. I've been lucky enough to have smoking groups throughout my career that are productivity enhancing. At my current job, pre-Covid the smokers used breaks as quickie meetings to swap information. They're also great for social networking, I've gotten more than one promotion by making friends on smoke breaks.
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Aug 18, 2022 20:04
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whenever Jeef finally dies and goes to hell I hope he gets used as Satan's personal toilet
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Aug 18, 2022 20:14
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As my work moves increasingly full time remote, I’ve decided to pull the trigger and buy my first gaming PC in 15 years. This will genuinely have no effect on my performance or productivity I will just spend less time reading SA.
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Aug 18, 2022 20:25
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History Comes Inside! posted:I didn’t enjoy being paid to do nothing so I took a 20% payrise to do something again and it turned out to be loving horrific and I hate it. Toxic Mental posted:Can we trade jobs? I'm totally cool with not being exploited Huh. Well, poo poo. You’re kinda right. I just went back from playing some PS5 and haven’t missed poo poo and I’m okay with it. Also apparently I forgot to take my ADHD meds so that’s part of why I was so miserable this morning, now it’s noon and I don’t loving care again 
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ChickenDoodle posted:I’m sitting in my living room right now because I am so loving bored that I can’t stand being near the computer right now. I really loving hope work picks up cause I’m one of those people who can’t really enjoy being paid to do nothing. Another reason I want to change positions. Get a hobby, learn to play a guitar or something.
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Aug 18, 2022 21:02
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Had a factory job a few years ago where I was being trained for QC and the trainer would just gently caress off to smoke all day. Every five minutes when I had a question for him I would have to walk outside and drag him back in to do his drat job. A year later when the factory was close to shutting down he used up all his sick days and just had some vacation time left. He got super drunk and high one night and was not sober enough for his shift so he had to rush to put in for a vacation day an hour before his shift. No one was answering the phones so he drove in (still inebriated) and walked into the supervisor's office to ask for the vacation day in person.
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Aug 18, 2022 21:37
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Escape From Noise posted:Ideally, yeah, but it's mostly just me. I kind of know my schedule and pinch points in the process, so it rarely happens, but sometimes you gotta hold that poo poo. Having to schedule your pinch points is what got this whole discussion rolling in the first place  (This is going to be my new euphemism at work going forward)
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Aug 18, 2022 21:59
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Alkydere posted:Just...don't go anywhere near a Last Mile facility and if you see the Amazon delivery worker, hand them an electrolyte drink bottle. They could likely use the hydration...and then re-use it as a piss-bottle. I think the big argument is to not do anything in package shipping facilities. Shipping is a numbers game and trying to squeeze pennies out of worker blood is the morus operandi of every shipping company.
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Aug 18, 2022 22:37
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This man knows it
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ArbitraryC posted:I feel like the only jobs I’ve worked at that legitimate had an issue of “people hiding in the toilet on their phone” long enough to maybe warrant a toilet break rule were also super stingy about the mandatory breaks they gave. Companies also have an extreme tendency to punish everyone when it's typically like maybe 2 people loving doing poo poo. 30 people on the floor and let's say 6 smoke and out of that 6, maybe 2 are problems and abuse it or litter up the loving place. So these companies typically punish all 30 loving people. Same with the cell phone/bathroom/internet junkies. They're easy to identify. Hell, just ask the workers anonymously if you're unsure. Then warn the fuckups and then shitcan their rear end if they keep goofing off. Not only as a warning to everyone else but, more importantly, a demonstration of good faith that "we're on this and we who know most of you work hard and are grown adults and not school kids." Basically, "we are good managers who can evaluate employees properly and know who does their loving job" and that they expect you to act like and adult, be professional and you will be treated that way.
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Escape From Noise posted:Yeah. I'm just a weirdo and get very intense about The Process. If my boss tried to regulate my toilet time I'd be mad as hell. Taken out of context, it would be weird if you called shittin' time, The Process. I'm going to call it that from now on. Still though.
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Aug 19, 2022 02:28
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RocketMermaid posted:Especially if you ever have to run any sort of packaging line. Running a mobile canning line at the last place I worked (from mobile canners who never came in but just handed the [usually broken] machine to us and hosed off) was especially lovely for this. At most I could ask the other brewer to just make sure something doesn't explode while I sprint to the bathroom for a piss. Yeah, canning and bottling sucks. At least with kegging it's really easy to run to the bathroom real quick without causing issues. Unless you're on a fully automated kegging line I guess, but I've never worked at a brewery that large. I used to work for a mobile canning place when I was trying to get in the business. God that place was awful.
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We had a little safety oopsie last week and as one of the many consequences I’ve been tasked with bringing everyone in the plant one by one into my office, have them read a one page document, answer any questions, and collect a signature. Oh my god we’ve got some sloooooooooooow readers here
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It's extra weird when you work at the not intense place. I can show up anytime from 4am to 8am. 10 would be fine too. Work 8 or more and you're golden. The bosses show up around 8 though. The 4 to 8 crowd will talk your ear off. "Oh hey you're here early" as they walk into my area and get comfortable. No amount of "well I should do the thing" or "yeah it is early for me I could really use some coffee" will get them to gently caress off. 7:45 and they vanish though.
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Tetrabor posted:I think the big argument is to not do anything in package shipping facilities. Yup. Amazon suffered enough worker attrition and OSHA attention from the pandemic they've eased off at least inside their warehouses. It also helped they built more warehouses to take up the slack. However the Last Mile has the overhead of having to buy the delivery vans. Vans that are: a) expensive b) straight up stop working if broken c) all vehicle manufacturers have been dealing with production issues. Meanwhile workers are: a) cheap b) can be goaded to working past their point of safety c) you can just fire them instead of paying for their maintenance if you damage them So Last Mile, at least at Amazon, still works on squeezing every drop of blood out of workers, compared to Fulfillment which only squeezes about half of the blood out.
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