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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Beastie posted:

Caught what now?

Gotta look close, it's very stealthy

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Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
That's just swamp gas.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

Humphreys posted:

My mate caught this here in Australia:

https://i.imgur.com/xqSokfc.mp4

A quarter of the B2 fleet may be stationed in Australia at any one time.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

A touch of an aside but we were talking about noise earlier. I’ve only seen one in flight at an air show at Wright-Patt but B-2s are surprisingly quiet for military aircraft. At least, underneath they are. During a deep bank when the engines were pointed right at the crowd followed by the top of the plane you could understand the trick - all that sound is directed up. It has 4 nonafterburning versions of the engine series that is used in the B-1, F-16 among others. If you are directly under a B-2 you’d think it was a modern airliner, not something that will set off car alarms like a bone.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
Under takeoff power they’re very loud. I’m about 2 miles off to the side of the runway at whiteman and a b2 taking off and flying runway heading is very audible until they get out a ways.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Well yes, you’re level with the engines :)

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

NTSB released some findings about the CASA C-212 that lost a pilot on approach to RDU .

https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1559653495183228928

According to them, the 2IC said he was going to be sick, got up, apologized, and left out the back door.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Safety Dance posted:

NTSB released some findings about the CASA C-212 that lost a pilot on approach to RDU .

https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1559653495183228928

According to them, the 2IC said he was going to be sick, got up, apologized, and left out the back door.

So he blamed himself for loving up the landing and then killed himself. drat. :smith:

The description makes it sound like a possible cause is a stall. I’m guessing theres no black box or CVR? SIC probably thought his career was over :(

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

the type certificate requires two pilots so they should be required to have CVR

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
First thought was suicide... Second thought (after reading he may have puked out the cockpit window first) is that maybe he really did feel sick/anxious and just made a bad judgement call? Went to open the back door and forgot.to secure himself?

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

Would screwing up a landing that badly necessarily be career-ending?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

If it was a stall due to airspeed the more experienced of the pilots was supposed to be looking at the instruments as well as the aircraft configuration (ie, say flaps weren’t deployed). As usual in aviation it’s probably a process failure.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

De Havilland Canada restarting water bomber production as EU orders new aircraft
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadair-water-bomber-wildfire-europe-1.6553592

Official press release:
https://dehavilland.com/en/news/posts/de-havilland-aircraft-of-canada-limited-launches-dhc-515-firefighter

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

It's not a De Havilland unless it's made of wood :colbert:

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



And it's better than a bloody B29 I tell you what

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

And it's better than a bloody B29 I tell you what

I'd actually pay good money to see Doc or Fifi drop water. Not over an actual goddamned fire, mind, but at an air show or something.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
Drop a giant water balloon shaped like Fat Man.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/1560386847750213636?s=21&t=8MMCLO3wEom0YQ_AQSSPkQ

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

At least they didn’t hit the snooze button.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


Is that better or worse than missing your destination because you were arguing about post merger scheduling?

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




SlowBloke posted:

It's not a De Havilland unless it's made of wood :colbert:

DeHavilland Canada.

Different company to the mosquito guys.

Big into STOL and small jet engines.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
More plane porn, courtesy of my well-trained algorithm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzpNlrNj8Do

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
A crash near me yesterday

https://twitter.com/anikahopetv/status/1560749319275290624?s=21&t=R7rC9bIRUwnCXiveyahVdw

lilbeefer
Oct 4, 2004

You can feel the desperation in that stall
Pilot held that until it was impossibly to hold any longe. Poor fucker

JingleBells
Jan 7, 2007

Oh what fun it is to see the Harriers win away!

Someone flew from California to Hawaii in a Cessna 172, 18hrs non-stop :stare:
https://twitter.com/bshyong/status/1561469187003924480

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

JingleBells posted:

Someone flew from California to Hawaii in a Cessna 172, 18hrs non-stop :stare:
https://twitter.com/bshyong/status/1561469187003924480

"Pilot Tom Lopes did it again."

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

JingleBells posted:

Someone flew from California to Hawaii in a Cessna 172, 18hrs non-stop :stare:
https://twitter.com/bshyong/status/1561469187003924480

I believe the transpacific ferries to Australia have a longer segment after the stop in Hawaii?

It is as risky as it sounds, the ferry tanks involved fill all available space with fuel and I believe they get permission to fly “overweight”. If you want to be really terrified they did those ferries before GPS. Just imagine having your ADF fail on such a flight before GPS. This is a wild story from the 1970s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_188_Pacific_rescue

quote:

When Prochnow arrived at the region where he believed Norfolk Island was, he was unable to see the island. He informed Air Traffic Control (ATC), but at this point, there was no immediate danger. He continued searching; after locating more homing beacons from other islands, he realised his automatic direction finder had malfunctioned and he was now lost somewhere over the Pacific Ocean. He alerted ATC and declared an emergency.

There was only one aircraft in the vicinity, Air New Zealand Flight 103, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10 travelling from Fiji to Auckland. The flight had 88 passengers on board. The captain was Gordon Vette, the first officer was Arthur Dovey, and the flight engineer was Gordon Brooks. Vette knew that if they did not try to help, Prochnow would almost certainly die. Vette was a navigator, and at the time of the incident, he still held his licence. Furthermore, another passenger, Malcolm Forsyth, was also a navigator; when he heard about the situation he volunteered to help. As neither Prochnow nor the crew of the DC-10 knew where the Cessna was, the crew had to devise creative ways to find it. By this time, contact between both aircraft had been made on long-range HF radio. Prochnow had crossed the international date line, and the date was now 22 December. Vette was able to use the setting sun to gain an approximate position of the Cessna. He instructed the Cessna to point directly at the setting sun. He did the same and noted the difference in heading between the aircraft as four degrees. After making an allowance for the different altitudes of the aircraft, the difference in sunset times between the aircraft and Norfolk Island was also noted. This data allowed the crew to calculate that the Cessna must be southwest of the DC-10 by about 400 nautical miles. About 25 minutes after turning in that direction, contact on short-range VHF radio was established. This had a range of 200 nautical miles. It was hoped the DC-10 would be making a vapour trail to make it more visible. After contacting Auckland it was determined that weather conditions were not suitable for a trail. Brooks knew that by dumping fuel they could produce a vapour trail. As the search was getting more and more desperate, they decided to try it. Prochnow did not see the trail, and darkness was increasing. Vette wanted all the passengers to be involved, so he asked them to look out of the windows and invited small groups to come to the cockpit.

As the light conditions became darker, Prochnow considered ditching, but Vette encouraged him not to give up. So they also used a technique known as "aural boxing" to try to pinpoint the small plane; this took over an hour to complete. Once it had been done, they had a much better approximation of Prochnow's position. The DC-10 used its strobe lights to try to make itself more visible to the Cessna. It took some time, but eventually, Prochnow reported seeing light. This was not the DC-10, it was an oil rig, and Prochnow went towards it. This was identified as Penrod, which was being towed from New Zealand to Singapore. This gave Prochnow's exact position. After some confusion about the exact position of the Penrod, it was finally established that the estimates of the crew of the DC-10 were accurate. Prochnow was able to make it to Norfolk Island with his remaining fuel. He touched down on Norfolk Island after being in the air for twenty-three hours and five minutes.

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Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

There is a book called Air Vegabonds written by a guy who used to ferry new Piper airplanes for the factory back in the 70's. Lots of stories about flying small assed airplanes over very large bodies of water including a story about ferrying a Tomahawk (!) across the Atlantic (!!) in early winter (!!!). So many nopes in that book but somebody has to do it I guess.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
This is a good ferry story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2TGjuwv_s

two_beer_bishes
Jun 27, 2004
I used to work for ARINC as an HF radio operator for the north atlantic. There were many times where a single engine anything would depart CYYT for the Azores and have to turn back after 4 or 5 hours due to winds aloft.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Arson Daily posted:

There is a book called Air Vegabonds written by a guy who used to ferry new Piper airplanes for the factory back in the 70's. Lots of stories about flying small assed airplanes over very large bodies of water including a story about ferrying a Tomahawk (!) across the Atlantic (!!) in early winter (!!!). So many nopes in that book but somebody has to do it I guess.

Why couldn’t they just be shipped mostly assembled in boxes or wrapped in plastic and do final assembly at the destination?

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Murgos posted:

Why couldn’t they just be shipped mostly assembled in boxes or wrapped in plastic and do final assembly at the destination?

That's not nearly as fun now, is it?

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Now I'm wondering if any aircraft is small enough to be parked within a 747 freighter as is - just roll it in and strap it down and fly it to wherever it will spend the rest of its days.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

IOwnCalculus posted:

Now I'm wondering if any aircraft is small enough to be parked within a 747 freighter as is - just roll it in and strap it down and fly it to wherever it will spend the rest of its days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HF7zPgow1g

I can’t not post the piston engine original as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GflVGc6Yet4

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


There are some, yes.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

I’m pretty sure an F-104 would fit in the An-225…

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


MrYenko posted:

I’m pretty sure an F-104 would fit in the An-225…

You can fit an awful lot of things into an open-top container.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Murgos posted:

Why couldn’t they just be shipped mostly assembled in boxes or wrapped in plastic and do final assembly at the destination?

:capitalism:

I was wondering that too but I suspect that unless the manufacturer had a certified process for assembling knock down kits at the destination you'd have to register it as an experimental or homebuilt with their aviation regulator and that would likely limit commercial use. Plus you get it there faster if you fly. End user pays someone to risk their life so they can save money and/or make a buck faster.

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


The wings can be removed from most single-engine Cessnas pretty easily. It’s actually not uncommon to swap Cessna wings between different models. I know someone with L-19 Bird Dog wings on their 172.

I bet the real reason is price - one pilot is cheaper than getting a custom shipping container built and shipped, plus having the airframe reassembled by an A&P at the destination. It would probably even take longer than the months they waited for favorable winds.

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PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Advent Horizon posted:

You can fit an awful lot of things into an open-top container.

drat.

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