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mediaphage posted:actually here’s a question - are there any examples in star trek of like really successful extra solar colonies? it would be expensive to show a bustling urban space city planet so it was mostly matte paintings and hipster villages
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naem posted:it would be expensive to show a bustling urban space city planet so it was mostly matte paintings and hipster villages yeah i totally get why we didn’t see them but i feel like you don’t even get them mentioned in background for that matter you could still have rural adventures on a populated planet i guess
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Two of the big earth colonies that are now supposedly big and successful are Alpha Centauri (which got independence and is a Federation member itself now) and the Vega colonies, IIRC.
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Epicurius posted:Two of the big earth colonies that are now supposedly big and successful are Alpha Centauri (which got independence and is a Federation member itself now) and the Vega colonies, IIRC. ah rad thanks.
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I like to imagine some period where Earth was all "Time for an Earxit from the Federation!" and several colonies quietly declared independence and joined the Federation in response.
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mediaphage posted:actually here’s a question - are there any examples in star trek of like really successful extra solar colonies? There was that amazing city/colony in the delta quadrant populated by famous humans from all over the timeline. It's just over the hill, Amelia Earhart is there! No you can't see it.
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Brawnfire posted:I like to imagine some period where Earth was all "Time for an Earxit from the Federation!" and several colonies quietly declared independence and joined the Federation in response. isn't that basically what happened in future discovery timeline
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mediaphage posted:actually here’s a question - are there any examples in star trek of like really successful extra solar colonies? Romulus
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mossyfisk posted:Romulus sorry for being racist but you know i meant humans
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mediaphage posted:isn't that basically what happened in future discovery timeline Yeah Earth does that every now and then, that's just how they are
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Well there's the asinine libertarian Borg harvesting vajazzle planet from Picard.
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I think a good handwave is probably that those big utopian successful colony worlds exist in Star Trek, it's just that they're not the ones that need the Enterprise making a side-trip out from a Starbase with an urgent medical/food/technology shipment to save them from disaster this week.
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Also a lot of the time they're like "the Enterprise has docked at Starbase gorzon-7" and we never see the surface of the planet but some of those ones with bigass Starbases are probably highly populated colony planets.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I think a good handwave is probably that those big utopian successful colony worlds exist in Star Trek, it's just that they're not the ones that need the Enterprise making a side-trip out from a Starbase with an urgent medical/food/technology shipment to save them from disaster this week. that's a good point.
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Lower Decks being animated has given them great opportunities to show off the more crowded and busy parts of the Federation. The episode with the Dooplers and the annual gala made the Starbase super cool. I'd love to see them go on some more milk runs to population centers.
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What about that totally successful and completely independent crypto mining libertarian planet which is ruled over by the free market and a few hyper-capitalists but there’s no corruption or crime or any bad things and all the people below the top are very happy and well-treated because everyone just really really respects what the planet has built. Also they have the galaxy’s most badass guns and there’s compulsory military service starting at 13 because everyone there knows the rest of the galaxy is just itching to take over and/or destroy what they have because they’re so jealous. I don’t remember if it was this thread or another Trek thread but I remember someone posting a Picard(?) writer’s hilarious treatment of a planet idea which was obviously the same writer’s idea of paradise. They’d be one of the hyper-capitalists of course. I think it was real.
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MikeJF posted:Also a lot of the time they're like "the Enterprise has docked at Starbase gorzon-7" and we never see the surface of the planet but some of those ones with bigass Starbases are probably highly populated colony planets. in tng, even the starbase visits took place mostly off-screen.
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The first place described as a "Starbase" in TNG was a ground base. Weird that.
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is there a star trek episode where one of the characters goes "you know what? a lot of this doesn't really make sense if you think about it."
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Mozi posted:is there a star trek episode where one of the characters goes "you know what? a lot of this doesn't really make sense if you think about it." Star Trek V - "What does God need with a starship?"
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Burning_Monk posted:There was that amazing city/colony in the delta quadrant populated by famous humans from all over the timeline. It's just over the hill, Amelia Earhart is there! So glad we spent the budget on landing the ship.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:that is an absolutely miniscule number of ships for hundreds of inhabited worlds. granted, a large percentage of those worlds are insufferable hipster colonies that consist of a single village of 30 people as the sole inhabitants of an entire planet. Starfleet isn't all the ships those planets have though. The Vulcans for sure have non-starfleet ships, and there's no reason to think other planets don't as well. The Federation won't contact worlds that are not already warp capable, so every member had their own ships before joining. Probably loads of ships that stay in their own star system and only move between the local planets and stations. Do humans ever have privately owned civilian ships? It seems unlikely since earth has gone all in luxury communism. But on the other hand there could be poo poo like tour boats and cruise ships for people who just want to toot around and experience space travel during their vacation. Or commuter ships for people going to work on mars.
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There were the boomers or whatever they were called in enterprise, they weren't starfleet , and there were federation citizens like the marquis that must have been colonizing the galaxy. Might be lots of private ventures that don't want the hassle of military life
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Facebook Aunt posted:Do humans ever have privately owned civilian ships? It seems unlikely since earth has gone all in luxury communism. But on the other hand there could be poo poo like tour boats and cruise ships for people who just want to toot around and experience space travel during their vacation. Or commuter ships for people going to work on mars. In DS9, Kassidy was an independent trader with her own ship.
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Epicurius posted:In DS9, Kassidy was an independent trader with her own ship. And that's before she became the chief medical officer on a starship, mothered two sons and married a Kaylon. Quite a resume.
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Were those colonists that went off and formed an Amish death cult on DS9 starfleet
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Tiberius Christ posted:There were the boomers or whatever they were called in enterprise, they weren't starfleet , and there were federation citizens like the marquis that must have been colonizing the galaxy. Might be lots of private ventures that don't want the hassle of military life That was also real early Starfleet-is-NASA days, with boomer ships being warp-2-ish long-distance cargo haulers that take weeks or months to get anywhere. Their time was also passing as Enterprise started, as faster ships were making those sorts of long-haul lifestyles unnecessary with Warp 3+ ships entering civilian usage. I'd say there's probably a difference between a Starfleet ship and a Federation ship, which might be a privately-owned ship with a license or contract for a route.
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Dabir posted:Were those colonists that went off and formed an Amish death cult on DS9 starfleet I'm pretty sure they were federation civilians
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Epicurius posted:In DS9, Kassidy was an independent trader with her own ship. That's true, but she wasn't working inside the federation.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'd say there's probably a difference between a Starfleet ship and a Federation ship, which might be a privately-owned ship with a license or contract for a route. Yeah, that's the difference between a US-flagged cargo ship and an American aircraft carrier.
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lots of random federation civilians had their own ships. that's how they meet the enterprise so the episode happens. as for how they got their ships, who knows? there was probably some lengthy application process.
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Dear Mr. and Mrs. Hansen, Congratulations! Your application for a Federation research vessel in order to study a mysterious robot zombie race while also taking your very young daughter with you has been approved!
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in the grim dark space future basically everyone has a trust fund
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There are also various armadas for member worlds and organisations for various reasons. The Vulcan Science Academy, for instance. And in the Federation where one more or less follows one’s ken, there’s gotta be at least a few hundred private shipwrights who just wanna build cool ships independently, winning prestige and further access from their works the same way anyone else does.
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If I lived in Star Trek I would simply ask for one of those decommissioned Oberths and turn it into a party boat
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Helmed by the night crew from the Robot Chicken sketch.
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Tighclops posted:If I lived in Star Trek I would simply ask for one of those decommissioned Oberths and turn it into a party boat a borg sphere assimilates a disco ball
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Tighclops posted:If I lived in Star Trek I would simply ask for one of those decommissioned Oberths and turn it into a party boat I'm Captain Rock Hard of the Federation partyship Rum Ham. Lower your shields and prepare to get wasted!
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I would be on the Blackadder school of exploration, get a ship, drive around the local sector for four years abusing the holodeck and replicator priviledges to the fullest degree, and write up an incomprehensive log when coming back to Starfleet command. Accept promotion to admirality and retire for lifetime of high-society status in an utopia planet of my choosing.
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