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IShallRiseAgain posted:Is that compliment or insult to the show? Neither really. Edit: Post John k. RnS to be more precise. Edit 2: More dark and disturbing at times. thelaughingman fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Aug 21, 2022 |
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ThermoPhysical posted:Crossposting from the Adult Animation thread: It's an interesting comment that apparently industry wide people are losing their poo poo at Discovery and Zaslav for this. Given that he apparently got into a screaming match with Board who wanted to shelve The Flash and he didn't it seems like this is going to play out in the ugliest way possible that hurts the most undeserving people and in the end no matter what Zaslav is going to walk away with a 9 digit severance package.
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doubt it, he makes the money people happy and that alone is enough for him to keep his place e: plus the usual principle that men of his status literally can’t be allowed to face consequences, because of the precedent it might start Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Aug 21, 2022 |
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I don't think they will be happy though. He's burning down the company under the premise of saving money, and you have to be pretty stupid to not get what's going on. There'll probably be a big dip in revenue, and it'll take a whole lot of accounting fraud to make that look close to acceptable.
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Aug 21, 2022 02:19
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The merger loaded the company up with debt so cutting everything but $100 Property Flipperz: Houseboat Edition is exactly what the money people want. Yes it's ruining a brand, but they'll be cashed out before that takes.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't think they will be happy though. He's burning down the company under the premise of saving money, and you have to be pretty stupid to not get what's going on. Yeah this really feels like a corporate smash and grab. You buy a company, load it up with debt, fire half the staff, and strip the copper out of the wall in the name of savings and profitability. The company will inevitably fail and collapse but by the time that happens there's enough plausible deniability for the parent company to shrug and say "Welp, I guess that was a bad investment after all, oh well" before taking the company out behind the tool shed and stripping whatever assets/ips/etc they can from the corpse. Isn't capitalism fantastic?
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readingatwork posted:Yeah this really feels like a corporate smash and grab. You buy a company, load it up with debt, fire half the staff, and strip the copper out of the wall in the name of savings and profitability. The company will inevitably fail and collapse but by the time that happens there's enough plausible deniability for the parent company to shrug and say "Welp, I guess that was a bad investment after all, oh well" before taking the company out behind the tool shed and stripping whatever assets/ips/etc they can from the corpse. This is basically what happened to Toys R Us
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Toys R Us wasn't a merger, it was a holding company buying it and taking out loans in its name until it collapsed and the holding company would cut and run. A much cleaner grift, the same firm did the exact same thing with KB Toys earlier. I think this is a much more confusing grift because I don't really see where the profit comes in. They don't seem very interested in any of Warner Brothers' existing revenue streams or its film library or IP vault (which is what normally drives these things, famously Disney wanting full access to Marvel and Star Wars or Cartoon Network basically founded in the first place by Turner Broadcasting buying Hannah-Barbera and ultimately rejuvenating it), so unless burning down the company somehow defrays more taxes than the entire cost of the corporate acquisition, it'll be a net loss.
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Doesn’t Discovery want to pivot hbo to all reality shows? I thought their position was that scripted drama is too expensive to return the kind of profit they want.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Doesn’t Discovery want to pivot hbo to all reality shows? I thought their position was that scripted drama is too expensive to return the kind of profit they want. I wonder how it won't be a huge hit to revenue when people unsubscribe from HBO and HBO Max because no one wants to watch HONEY BOOBOO by paying 20 extra bucks a month to their cable company
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it was Bain Capital, Mitt Romeny worked for them and during his failed 2012 prez run, Fox and the regressive media machine tried to say that the 3rd Batman movie 's Bane as villain was subliminal message to attack Mitt. this is 100% a real thing that happen. Also reminder that that gently caress face used Sean Smith's death for pol ammo. like literally within 3 days.
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PhazonLink posted:Also reminder that that gently caress face used Sean Smith's death for pol ammo. like literally within 3 days.  He really thought he had the election in the bag after that speech.
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It's funny bringing up Mitt Romney, because he campaigned on, or at least was accused of wanting to demolish PBS if he became president like he did Toys R Us and other such American mainstays, and it put a significant hole in his campaign among his other bizarre  gaffs. It led to the accusation that Romney wanted to "kill Big Bird", and while he never got the chance to, it seems like David Zaslav remembered and finally managed to get at least one knife plunged in by deleting the Seasame Street show archive from HBO Max.Axing Sesame Street probably had jack poo poo to do with any tax write offs and more to do with a chud like Zaslav striking a blow against it just because he could because Sesame Street has long been a conservative hate idol for being a public resource that actually teaches children skills, life lessons and values, and depicts racial equity while doing so. Chuds loving HATE Sesame Street.
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Modern Sesame Street is really divorced from the "street" part that was so integral to our nostalgiavision of it. Most of that was likely reruns from the 70s anyway. Though it does a good job about concerns relating to how different people are, with stuff like autism, disabilities, etc.
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Why couldn't they have memory-holed The Loud House instead? Life just isn't fair, you know?readingatwork posted:Season 1, Episode 14B: Two Boys and a Baby Season 1, Episode 15A: House Music Written by Kevin Sullivan Storyboard by Violaine Briat Directed by Chris Savino Synopsis: The house is participating in some kind of public talent show where families do stuff on stage and there's less than 24 hours left for the Louds to figure out their act. Rather than doing what a sane person would do and just drop out Luna gets the idea to start a family band despite nobody except herself and Lincoln for some reason being able to play an instrument. The band sucks but it's fine because they are all only in it to have fun. That is, until Luna hears that her hero Not Mick Jagger will be there for some reason and realizes that this might be an opportunity to be discovered. She instantly shifts gears and tries to whip her family into a respectable band but fails and is eventually kicked out for being insufferable. While trying to think up a song to perform on her own (I'm not sure how exactly she was supposed to perform since it was a family thing) she runs into Not Mick Jagger in disguise in a local diner who advises her to just have fun like she was doing in the first place. She realizes that she's been a jerk and rejoins the family band who do their performance and are really bad at it except for Luna who does a short guitar solo. Everybody has fun and at the end of the episode Not Mick Jagger in disguise reveals that he's Not Mick Jagger and compliments Luna on her performance. Thoughts: Serious question, why the ever loving hell would you have one of your show's main cast members be built around music if you don't have anybody on staff with any musical talent or even a passing interest in the subject? There are so many shows out there that do something like this and TLH's attempt is by far the most poorly executed of them all. I can forgive most of the voice cast not being musically inclined but even Luna herself is really bad which is just baffling to me. And the show knows this as well which is why 99% of the family's big performance is off-screen and Luna's solo only consists of about 5 seconds of a guitar riff that I suspect they purchased from a stock music site. I might have forgiven this if the show was otherwise funny or insightful in some way but it's really not. It's thoroughly unremarkable in both the writing and animation which left me at the end of the episode why it even existed at all. Thinking about this episode my mind keeps going to Adventure Time and Bob's Burgers. Both have fantastic episodes with band themed premises but with far better execution. Adventure Time leverages Olivia Olson's incredible voice to have a fantastic musical moment that's great to watch on it's own. Meanwhile Bob's Burger's takes an approach similar to TLH with the band being bad but does so in a way that makes you appreciate the charm of outsider art made by non-professionals. TLH on the other hand never even really tries to leverage music in any fun way. It simply accepts that they don't have the resources to do a real musical number and works around it. Which is a shame because even if it were a disaster (and it probably would have been) I'd have at least respected them for trying. Themes and morals: Speaking of Bob's Burgers this episode has a lot of thematic overlap with the episode “The Itty Bitty Ditty Committee”. In that one Gene starts a band and gets a gig at a popular kid's birthday party. However since he's not a proper musician and mostly just plays around he gets kicked out by the other members who have taken actual music classes. The episode asks the question of what the value is in art if you aren't able to leverage your skills professionally and settles on the same conclusion TLH does of “well it's fun isn't it?”. And it's a pretty cool message I think. Unfortunately TLH kind of fucks this up a bit by making the case that having fun ~will necessarily~ lead to professional success. For those not into creative things like art or music I can tell you from experience that getting good at them is hard. Like, really hard. It requires hours of daily work that is very much not fun (practicing musical scales for example) and even if you're good at what you do there's no guarantee your passion will take you anywhere professionally. Bob's Burgers tackles this by having Gene rediscover music for his own enjoyment after getting booted from the band and having him going back to just playing around in front of his dad's restaurant. It works really well because you actually hear the kid's band playing with a cheap electric keyboard and straws and it's a lot of fun despite nobody being particularly good at it. TLH on the other hand wants to have it both ways and has the Not Mick Jagger character see them just having fun but recognizing her talent anyways. As a result the message ends up being not “the point of music is self expression and it's fine if you don't hit it big as long as you have fun” but instead “having fun is the key to professional success” which just isn't true. Still, being told to chill out and just enjoy music isn't the worst moral for kid's to hear so at the end of the day I can't be too mad about it. Notable moment: Do you like this shot of Loud Dad's rear end shaking? No? Too bad, the show will make you watch it like five times.  Final thoughts: Aw heck, let's throw Steven Universe in there as well. God I love how darkly funny that song is, lmao. Final Rating: Eh. E: And while we're at it I also want to post this song from the AT specials because it's fantastic and I couldn't think of a good excuse to include it in the review proper. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Aug 22, 2022 |
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I hate how they animated his butt-wiggle via just a horizontal transformation, you can see how it just stretches the laces on his shoes from the distortion
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I think it’s time to ask yourself - why are you doing this? Spending so much time writing about an at-best mediocre children’s show that you don’t seem to like at all?
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Conrad_Birdie posted:I think it’s time to ask yourself - why are you doing this? Spending so much time writing about an at-best mediocre children’s show that you don’t seem to like at all?  Maybe look up which episodes people seem to genuinely like or rate highly and just skip to those?
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Conrad_Birdie posted:I think it’s time to ask yourself - why are you doing this? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1964/07/18/the-swimmer The_Doctor posted:
Why would I do that when it’s the really bad episodes that intrigue me?
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Actual answer: I just kind of like hate watching this show. 
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It just seems like a lot of time and effort put into 11 minute episodes of a C-tier Nick show. Like, yeah it’s bad, but most children’s animation is bad. Idk, I think I’d rather read your in-depth and researched takes on something you actually enjoy.
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Conrad_Birdie posted:It just seems like a lot of time and effort put into 11 minute episodes of a C-tier Nick show. Like, yeah it’s bad, but most children’s animation is bad. Same. This Loud House stuff seems like it's better suited to a Post My Favourites thread than this one in all honesty.
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The pursuit of the joy of analysis itself is value enough I say that despite universally not reading those posts. You do you though, whatever makes you happy man
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I mean if it brings you joy keep up the good work, I've kind of been stalled out on my Gravity Falls rewatch and that's actually a good show. 
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Loving how controversial this incredibly stupid personal project is  That said I agree that moving to PYF or something might a good idea so I don’t derail things here. I’ll let you all know when I set something up.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I mean if it brings you joy keep up the good work, I've kind of been stalled out on my Gravity Falls rewatch and that's actually a good show. I had the same problem. It turns out good shows are actually much harder to review than bad ones because there’s just not that much to talk about. It’s basically episode after episode of “This show did X and it was good. No notes”.
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I liked Gravity Falls quite a lot, but I can't go back to it since I know too much about its production and I get sad.
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https://twitter.com/kingofsafari/status/1561774803563843584?s=21&t=HymNkKIX-Gp_1rTNB8ZPSA He was a story board artist on Craig of the Creek. it sounds like it’s done looking at what other animators are saying in the replies 
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it's because of this https://twitter.com/AnimationOnMax/status/1561791661444841477
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The 7th Guest posted:it's because of this Good lord, is there anything worse than just learning about something BECAUSE it was already cancelled? The poster for this looks gorgeous.
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Can someone do a Saw on David Zaslav
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readingatwork posted:I had the same problem. It turns out good shows are actually much harder to review than bad ones because there’s just not that much to talk about. It’s basically episode after episode of “This show did X and it was good. No notes”. Neeksy posted:I liked Gravity Falls quite a lot, but I can't go back to it since I know too much about its production and I get sad. I mean I know Hirsch has gone on record he kind of burned himself out given it was his first show, but there's not some other dark behind-the-scenes secrets are there? 
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Start  ing everything associated with Cartoon Network because there’s a good chance it won’t exist next year.ninjewtsu posted:I'd be happy with him just getting fired No we’re past that now. My soul yearns for vengeance.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I've decided to do one a day so I reach to the end at the end of summer as planned. Let the words fall where they may! There was something about him peeing in a sink or potted plant or something while he worked there
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readingatwork posted:I had the same problem. It turns out good shows are actually much harder to review than bad ones because there’s just not that much to talk about. It’s basically episode after episode of “This show did X and it was good. No notes”. It's along the same lines as why very early on MST3K decided not to do comedies. There's only so many ways to say the joke didn't land.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I've decided to do one a day so I reach to the end at the end of summer as planned. Let the words fall where they may! He defecated in his office and it got bad enough he had to be sent home for hygiene issues, and from what I had heard from a friend in production it wasn't exactly a fun time for all of them either. I also had a former classmate who worked on it that I had a falling out with over their kinda elitist attitude towards people struggling in the industry at the time, but that's more of a personal spoilage there.
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