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Uglycat posted:Conservatives will respond 'yes.' Remember when Trump tweeted that satellite image of Iran and the image was immediately, automatically declassified and that trump was not charged with any crime for it? I know it’s futile but the reason things are classified TS//SCI is that they are very sensitive. Like a list of all the spies in Moscow sensitive. Why is it ‘okay’ for Trump to be careless with documents like that just because maybe it’s not classified anymore? A technicality that gets the classification level removed doesn’t change the harm caused by keeping the documents in a shed or basement where any random guest can look at them. Anyway, following their lovely magical thinking since trump never followed the process to declassify the documents so no one knew they were declassified then they automatically became classified again on Jan 21, 2021 because when Biden ‘thought’ they were classified they immediately became so.
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Deteriorata posted:Classification is irrelevant to the Espionage Act anyway. It doesn't matter if he declassified them. It's irrelevant to all three of the crimes listed in the search warrant. None of them require the materials in question to be classified. Murgos posted:Why is it ‘okay’ for Trump to be careless with documents like that just because maybe it’s not classified anymore? A technicality that gets the classification level removed doesn’t change the harm caused this is a complete red herring
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Fuschia tude posted:It's irrelevant to all three of the crimes listed in the search warrant. None of them require the materials in question to be classified. And that's how they're going to try to win. At least until next week or whenever things break open a bit further, then they'll change the story and very few people will notice.
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Even the president can't just wave his hands and say it is declassified. He has to go through a process, just like issuing a pardon. That classification change needs to be documented and circulated to the relevant agencies. He can't say "Well, I declassified them before i left office", because there is no proof of it. He also can't say "Well, I issued a pardon to XXX on my last day", because if its not noted somewhere it didn't actually happen.
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Cimber posted:Even the president can't just wave his hands and say it is declassified. He has to go through a process, just like issuing a pardon. That classification change needs to be documented and circulated to the relevant agencies. Even process aside, I assume the "reasonable person" doctrine would be in play. Would a reasonable person understand that so-and-so was pardoned, or that such-and-such a document was declassified? "Well, the President didn't follow the process, but he loudly announced at a dinner attended by hundreds that he was pardoning Roger Rabbit, and then wrote a pardon on napkin and signed it in fully view of the crowd." That's not following the process, but is probably a reasonable way to say, "Roger Rabbit was pardoned." "The former president seems to remember that he thought to himself on a Tuesday several years ago, "This top-secret document is now unclassified,"" does not meet that burden, because no reasonable person could know it to be true. DOJ needs to hurry up and indict this son-of-a-bitch so that he can be in jail before 2024.
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Ynglaur posted:
Even if his indicted he can still run for President, and he would. The rallying cry of 'the deep state is out to get me! Protect me' will cause all his frothing minions to go into a frenzy. I would also expect to see an uptick of political violence. If he wins the presidency the charges go away as soon as he takes office. If he loses the amount of political violence would greatly increase as his frothing minions would see it as a sign that the 'deep state stole the election'. The only way we are 'safe' is if he's convicted and sentenced before Jan 20th 2025. I don't see that happening. I think we are in for a bad 6+ years.
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Cimber posted:Even if his indicted he can still run for President, and he would. The rallying cry of 'the deep state is out to get me! Protect me' will cause all his frothing minions to go into a frenzy. I would also expect to see an uptick of political violence. This is going to happen regardless of what the J6 committee and DOJ do or don't do, at this point. quote:If he wins the presidency the charges go away as soon as he takes office. I agree. We are likely going to be dealing with politicized violence on a non-trivial scale for years to come, escalating around elections (if those remain a thing). While they're not perfect analogies, what Dick Schumann and James Diehl describe in Political Violence in the Weimar Republic and Paramilitary Politics in Weimar Germany both are good primers for how this sort of thing can play out.
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If we're going to deal with political violence either way, I'll choose the option that puts as many fascists behind bars as early as possible.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:This is going to happen regardless of what the J6 committee and DOJ do or don't do, at this point. God help us if he wins and retakes the presidency. You think he was bad before? He's going to be an absolute monster the next go around, with his whole presidency revolving around getting revenge on his real and imaginary enemies. Nothing would be able to hold him back, because congress has shown itself to be a) unable of removing him from office, and b) scared of their constituents and not willing to take a stand. The GOP has unleashed a monster in the name of getting power over the past 30 years and there is no way now of putting it back into the bag.
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Files copied from voting systems were shared with Trump supporters, election deniersquote:Sensitive election system files obtained by attorneys working to overturn President Donald Trump’s 2020 defeat were shared with election deniers, conspiracy theorists and right-wing commentators, according to records reviewed by The Washington Post.
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Cimber posted:If he wins the presidency the Fixed. Every document produced under such a "government" would be... 1984 bullshit. Look at this: legal filing posted:Politics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice. President Donald J. Complete clown show. What will it take to get his name stricken, just enough of this free mental rent karap, I don't care about him can we* please talk about saving the country  and its people, which has as much to do about Trump as it has to do the volume of frog droppings in the middle of the Russian gulag. (*I meant the people, the press, not this forum) (And I'd wonder how many generals would immediately retire if he did take office.) ps. If I was the judge handed a document that said "politics cannot be allowed to interrupt justice... (Next sentence is pure politics)", I believe I'd immediately swear out a warrant for arrest without bail on grounds of insanity. After all, we were just asked, nay told, to uphold speedy justice. PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Aug 22, 2022 |
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https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...fymu-story.html Judge requests redacted version by Thursday. DOJ lawyers have noted that there are likely to be so many redactions that the document will have no remaining public interest. Meanwhile, "(Mr Trump) has  demanded that the document be released in full, but his legal team has yet to file motions with the courts".
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:(And I'd wonder how many generals would immediately retire if he did take office.) Those are the last people I'd want to retire, because he'd just promote people who would be actual bootlickers. Or hell, not even promote people. Wanna see Lieutenant General Roger Stone? Thats how you see Lieutenant General Roger Stone. (I feel ill just thinking about that)
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Cimber posted:Those are the last people I'd want to retire, because he'd just promote people who would be actual bootlickers. Also, erm, opinion piece, but how long before this gets removed? The Trump MAL Search was Justified quote:The truth needs to be set forth plainly and simply, and so let’s get down to brass tacks here. What happened on August 8, 2022, was not tyranny. It was not political persecution. It was not a minor dust up over bureaucratic processes blown out of proportion. It was the criminal justice system operating just like it does with any other private citizen on any other given day ending in a "y."
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...fymu-story.html Now this could be an indication that they don't actually want it to be released... but are we sure his moronic lawyers even know how to file the appropriate motions?
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Cimber posted:Those are the last people I'd want to retire, because he'd just promote people who would be actual bootlickers. One of the best things Congress could pass is to remove SecDefs authority to commission officers. Officer commissions are the purview of Congress (the full Confess, incidentally). It literally takes an act of Congress to make an Ensign or a Second Lieutenant. At some point last century Congress delegated their authority to SecDef because they got tired of having it on the legislative agenda or something.
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Ynglaur posted:One of the best things Congress could pass is to remove SecDefs authority to commission officers. Officer commissions are the purview of Congress (the full Confess, incidentally). It literally takes an act of Congress to make an Ensign or a Second Lieutenant. At some point last century Congress delegated their authority to SecDef because they got tired of having it on the legislative agenda or something. I think thats true for the lower grade officers, but once someone gets up to (I think) O-6 it goes back to congress. The problem was that a number of officers were stuck waiting on congress to promote them, sometimes for years.
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Cimber posted:I think thats true for the lower grade officers, but once someone gets up to (I think) O-6 it goes back to congress. The problem was that a number of officers were stuck waiting on congress to promote them, sometimes for years. If Colonels/Captains and higher still require explicit Congressional approval, that's a good thing. It prevents the President from unilaterally stuffing the officer corps.
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https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/1561835929614139392?s=20&t=_Nb9FInQl5TU_rMuzoqHpg https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1561819683640279040?s=20&t=uPaXCq1IYC7wfWl3uTxLgg https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1561820097404194816?s=20&t=uPaXCq1IYC7wfWl3uTxLgg https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1561820518570942465?s=20&t=uPaXCq1IYC7wfWl3uTxLgg well thats a helluva thing.
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Ynglaur posted:If Colonels/Captains and higher still require explicit Congressional approval, that's a good thing. It prevents the President from unilaterally stuffing the officer corps. My biggest worry is that the senate would be so filled with trump hacks in 2025 that they would do anything he asked and just rubber stamp anyone he nominates. I'm not kidding when I say that the 2022 and 2024 elections are absolutely critical for the survival of our country. I'm really worried about what would happen if he or another flaming GOPer (DeSantis comes to mind) took over.
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Cimber posted:My biggest worry is that the senate would be so filled with trump hacks in 2025 that they would do anything he asked and just rubber stamp anyone he nominates. I'm not kidding when I say that the 2022 and 2024 elections are absolutely critical for the survival of our country. I'm really worried about what would happen if he or another flaming GOPer (DeSantis comes to mind) took over. I have bad news for you about the 2022 and 2024 elections, the fix is basically already in and inflation and shortages mean it basically doesn't need to be fixed anyway (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The FBI officer, crying, said "sir, sir, thank you so much, it all makes so much sense now. "
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Does Trump still get to be called President in official documents? Like I know in his head he is still President and probably tells his goons to refer to him as such. But can his legal briefings really give him a title he doesn’t currently have?
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The Question IRL posted:Does Trump still get to be called President in official documents? Yes, that is standard protocol. People get called by the highest office they have held in the past. Trump will be "Mr. President" for good.
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Deteriorata posted:Yes, that is standard protocol. People get called by the highest office they have held in the past. Trump will be "Mr. President" for good. This is why whenever you are arguing with chuds on social media you always make it a point to refer to him as “Mr. Trump” It drives them bananas when you do that. Also, for content, Teri’s last line in this part: https://twitter.com/teri_kanefield/status/1561838309743083522?s=21&t=k0W29aG4-1J-rdWI4KhBNg
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The Question IRL posted:Does Trump still get to be called President in official documents? FPOTUS Also. He's gonna be representing himself? https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1561817258309156864
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mobby_6kl posted:FPOTUS Omg
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What does that mean in laypersons' terms?
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MrMojok posted:This is why whenever you are arguing with chuds on social media you always make it a point to refer to him as “Mr. Trump” In addition to the executive privilege issue, there's no assumption of attorney client privilege and lastly, it's too late anyway.
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mobby_6kl posted:FPOTUS Nah. https://twitter.com/openargs/status/1561827771889995779
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The second emptywheel tweet explains that the lawyers filed for pro hac vice at the same time as the "pro se" filing.
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MrMojok posted:This is why whenever you are arguing with chuds on social media you always make it a point to refer to him as “Mr. Trump” I prefer one of the ones that Colbert collected. Like Velveeta Voldemort
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SubG posted:The second emptywheel tweet explains that the lawyers filed for pro hac vice at the same time as the "pro se" filing. Yeah but that was a heady couple minutes there
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Trusty Slutkin White E: I just had to check out their website  
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All I know is that I would never trust someone named loving "Trusty". Nope. I'd go to the law firm of Dewey, Cheatham & Howe before trying whatever kind of shyster goes by "Trusty".
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They apparently don't specialize in bird law ☹️
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cr0y posted:They apparently don't specialize in bird law ☹️
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Xiahou Dun posted:All I know is that I would never trust someone named loving "Trusty". http://www.dewey-cheatham-howe.com/
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