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Nuns with Guns posted:I think there's a difference between a story or setting whose primary fan interest lies in tooling around with the canon and making more interesting fanon out of it, like with Harry Potter or Homestuck, and "all TV shows and some video games." Fair. Should've thought out my hyperbole better, even if it led to a hilarious derail. Though now that you bring it up, was there any similar longform critique made about Homestuck's failings? Sarah Z's video was mostly about how the fandom evolved before shifting to being about Kickstarter woes.
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Aug 22, 2022 16:39
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Even Goku considers “wants to kill Goku” a positive, because he’s a psychopath and loves the chance to fight someone who wants to kill him remember when goku hired a hitman to kill goku
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Aug 22, 2022 16:42
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goku goes years without seeing his son and when he does, he forces him to get into fights
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Aug 22, 2022 16:50
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Delphisage posted:Fair. Should've thought out my hyperbole better, even if it led to a hilarious derail. It's a podcast, not a video essay, so it's exceptionally longform but from what I've listened to so far that seems to be basically what Homestuck Made This World is effectively going for? It's more focused on Hussie's creative works as a whole and not just Homestuck, but that extra context if anything helps highlight where it came from, what it tried to do and ultimately how it failed.
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Aug 22, 2022 16:54
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yea you can't use 'wants to kill goku' as a moral judgement, goku himself wants to kill goku if it means a cool fight
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Aug 22, 2022 17:03
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Arc Hammer posted:18 and 17 killed a ton of people in the evil future but because DB runs on multiverse logic the regular 17 and 18 didn't kill anyone. Vegeta killed more people just trying to touch 18 during their fight. I guess 16 really mellowed them out... Either that or Gero programmed them even worse.
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Aug 22, 2022 17:10
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I mean, I don't think 16 killed anyone, period. His whole deal was just that he wanted to specifically kill Goku and when he wasn't trying to do that he was sitting around, cavorting with wholesome woodland critters like a jacked-up Snow White...
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Aug 22, 2022 17:22
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Yea 16 didn't kill anyone, he just stood around being all 'none of these guys are goku why are you killing them', dude just wanted to do his job and frankly we stan him
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Aug 22, 2022 17:54
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sexpig by night posted:Is it really? It feels like 'it happens in adventure manga' is the usual answer but it feels like most of the time it's just 'they didn't kill the bad guy and just kinda left him behind' more than them really joining. I think they meant literally Dragon Ball and not Z. Because I'm sure there's a lot of characters from that that never made it to Z. Like android 8
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Aug 22, 2022 19:15
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oh, dur then. Yea DB was a bit more loose with who gets to be in the cool kids club but the whole constant wandering thing kinda kept it from being too obvious with stuff like 'hey didn't that android try to wipe out a native village, why are you chilling with him again? Oh, he said sorry'
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Aug 22, 2022 19:19
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Lotus Aura posted:It's a podcast, not a video essay, so it's exceptionally longform but from what I've listened to so far that seems to be basically what Homestuck Made This World is effectively going for? It's more focused on Hussie's creative works as a whole and not just Homestuck, but that extra context if anything helps highlight where it came from, what it tried to do and ultimately how it failed. They also just started talking about the Kickstarter at the end of the most recent episode since they reached the point in the comic where the KS was happening at the same time. They haven't gone super in-depth with it at this time but imagine it will continue to come up as they go.
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Aug 22, 2022 19:25
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Lotus Aura posted:It's a podcast, not a video essay, so it's exceptionally longform but from what I've listened to so far that seems to be basically what Homestuck Made This World is effectively going for? It's more focused on Hussie's creative works as a whole and not just Homestuck, but that extra context if anything helps highlight where it came from, what it tried to do and ultimately how it failed. I was actually imagining something like Dan Hemmens's written articles about Buffy and Harry Potter from Ferretbrain, but this is still a neat find. I'll listen to this on a later walk.
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Aug 22, 2022 20:11
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:goku goes years without seeing his son and when he does, he forces him to get into fights It's funny how the new movie shows that Piccolo is a better grandpa than Goku.
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Aug 22, 2022 20:34
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To be fair Super flanderized the hell out of Goku, although he's now ironically closer to the popular fan misconception of him as somebody who just wanted to fight strong dudes and prioritized that desire over the safety of his friends/family/world/entire universe. Yeah he threw Cell a senzu but that was because he misunderstood what Gohan wanted and once he realizes his mistake he sacrifices his life trying to kill Cell and then elects to stay dead because he recognizes every major antagonist that's shown up and threatened Earth in the past forever has done so gunning for him and hopes his moving on will lead to peace. Which is funny because Vegeta meanwhile gets fleshed out pretty well in Super and I think it does a good job of showing how he's learned to acknowledge his love for his family and have an actual healthy, semi-normal relationship with his wife and kids while still very much being a warrior at heart who wants to grow stronger and surpass Goku.
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Aug 22, 2022 20:56
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its okay to murder innocent people in dragon ball because you can just gather the dragon balls and wish them back later piccolo did this in the majin buu saga when he let majin buu kill everyone on earth to buy them an extra two minutes while goten and trunks trained in the hyperbolic time chamber
16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Aug 22, 2022 |
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Aug 22, 2022 21:03
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im gonna gather all the dragon balls and wish to be in one piece instead
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Aug 22, 2022 21:06
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Sorry, you can't wish for anything the creator of the Dragon Balls couldn't do, doing so can lead to grave consequences...
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Aug 22, 2022 21:08
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:its okay to murder innocent people in dragon ball because you can just gather the dragon balls and wish them back later piccolo did this in the majin buu saga when he let majin buu kill everyone on earth to buy them an extra two minutes while goten and trunks trained in the hyperbolic time chamber 
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Aug 22, 2022 21:10
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goku is smarter than yuffie
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Aug 22, 2022 21:10
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Goku is also best buds with God and God's alternate timeline twin who decided to chill in the main timeline who can just alter reality in any way they see fit so there are absolutely zero stakes.
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Aug 22, 2022 21:12
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muscles like this! posted:It's funny how the new movie shows that Piccolo is a better grandpa than Goku. One of my favorite bits from a TFS game stream was on some game where Goten asked what Dad was like and Lani goes as Gohan "You've met Mr. Piccolo."
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Aug 22, 2022 21:27
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RareAcumen posted:I think they meant literally Dragon Ball and not Z. Because I'm sure there's a lot of characters from that that never made it to Z. Like android 8 sexpig by night posted:oh, dur then. Yea DB was a bit more loose with who gets to be in the cool kids club but the whole constant wandering thing kinda kept it from being too obvious with stuff like 'hey didn't that android try to wipe out a native village, why are you chilling with him again? Oh, he said sorry' Aw, it's very sweet of you two to assume that I'm that clever 
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Aug 22, 2022 23:01
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The 7th Guest posted:pt 2 of Ray Mona's look into Western/American Sailor Moon (she also did the video on the girl games of lost media, used to have the handle bobdunga) I finished watching this and it was really good. Here's the first part if anyone wants the full 3.5-hour experience of someone trying to hunt down a 10 minute sizzle pilot for an embarassingly 90s children's show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdYD5StqHxk Her interview with the woman who was cast for Sailor Jupiter was adorable. Her interview with the head animation producer was.... nightmarish and I hope she blocked his number after she uploaded that 2nd video. Here's the full 10 minute pilot if anyone just wants to marvel at what almost was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA2VOuqaOnk
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Aug 23, 2022 01:40
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Nuns with Guns posted:Her interview with the head animation producer was.... nightmarish and I hope she blocked his number after she uploaded that 2nd video. When I heard he got into legal trouble I was expecting sexual harassment because yikeseroo
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Aug 23, 2022 01:50
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Ok, this show is amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efpev0ztokM
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Aug 23, 2022 03:12
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Alacron posted:Aw, it's very sweet of you two to assume that I'm that clever Nah I'm just super focused on spelling, since DB, DBZ and DBZ are all three different things and you've gotta be specific or you'll get them mixed up!
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Aug 23, 2022 03:18
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RareAcumen posted:Nah I'm just super focused on spelling, since DB, DBZ and DBZ are all three different things and you've gotta be specific or you'll get them mixed up! I also tend to get Z and Zuper mixed up.
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Aug 23, 2022 05:45
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Delphisage posted:I also tend to get Z and Zuper mixed up. They meant Dragonball ZT
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Aug 23, 2022 05:51
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My phone gets weird about typing sometimes, I meant to say DBFZ. Hell, it might've even been autocorrect.
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Aug 23, 2022 07:56
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:its okay to murder innocent people in dragon ball because you can just gather the dragon balls and wish them back later piccolo did this in the majin buu saga when he let majin buu kill everyone on earth to buy them an extra two minutes while goten and trunks trained in the hyperbolic time chamber To be fair.. Who sees a literal insta genocide attack coming? Ironically we dont see the people Vegeta killed come back to life 3 times. (I Know way too much about these details you have no idea)
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Aug 23, 2022 15:57
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He definitely killed a bunch of people for keeps on Namek at minimum, they draw attention to the fact the wish missed reviving them.
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Aug 23, 2022 16:13
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I mean, the morality of killing people in Dragon Ball is also kind of skewed by the fact that it takes place in a setting where the afterlife is 100% confirmed to exist and is a place we've seen.
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Aug 23, 2022 16:41
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KingKalamari posted:I mean, the morality of killing people in Dragon Ball is also kind of skewed by the fact that it takes place in a setting where the afterlife is 100% confirmed to exist and is a place we've seen. You can also just teleport there if you know where it is
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Aug 23, 2022 17:42
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having caught bits and pieces dbz seems to exist in a strange space where everything is part of an overarching gag but also taken entirely seriously at the same time
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Aug 23, 2022 19:26
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:having caught bits and pieces dbz seems to exist in a strange space where everything is part of an overarching gag but also taken entirely seriously at the same time thats why dragon ball owns
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Aug 23, 2022 19:31
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toriyama's a comedy writer who accidently made one of the most successful action manga
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Aug 23, 2022 19:36
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Verdis Joe once against reminding me off all the worst aspects of the internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF6GRw0hgQ8
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Aug 23, 2022 19:38
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:having caught bits and pieces dbz seems to exist in a strange space where everything is part of an overarching gag but also taken entirely seriously at the same time Z is actually the serious one a lot of the time. Super returns to being zanier. Kinda wild.
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Aug 23, 2022 19:40
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Lupa takes a look at the dreadful 1992 reboot for My Little Pony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mc1Vv_YAE
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Aug 23, 2022 20:02
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secretly best girl posted:Z is actually the serious one a lot of the time. Super returns to being zanier. Kinda wild. You even got a little bit of that near the tail-end of Z: The Majin Buu arc started to sneak a lot of the doofy weirdness from earlier in the series back in. Also, I'm never going to stop being amused by the disconnect between how silly and lighthearted the series could get vs how edgy and seriously the initial wave of North American fans treated the series when it first started getting localized.
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Aug 23, 2022 20:10
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