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there's also the super simple fact that Russia is putting huge ammo dumps in occupied territory full of plenty of people who hate them and want them gone. zero fancy intel or tech poo poo required. ukraine did streamline a process on literally day 1 for getting civilian tips to people who can use them and it continues to be immensely effective.
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Wasabi the J posted:I keep imagining 92-series SNCO's dick-waving about how supply won the war. Leaders jumping into OIF and Afghanistan and Vietnam, ready to find a war no amount of logistics could win.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ukraine did streamline a process on literally day 1 for getting civilian tips to people who can use them and it continues to be immensely effective. Turns out it's a lot harder to keep a lid on that kind of thing when you can't just triangulate the handful of radio sets the enemy agents are using and instead everyone has a phone in their pockets at all times.
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mlmp08 posted:Leaders jumping into OIF and Afghanistan and Vietnam, ready to find a war no amount of logistics could win.
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Arrath posted:Turns out it's a lot harder to keep a lid on that kind of thing when you can't just triangulate the handful of radio sets the enemy agents are using and instead everyone has a phone in their pockets at all times. That really got driven home in that VDV guy's recounting of the Kherson invasion where he starts to realize that every civilian from teenager to pensioner they're passing are on their phones taking pictures and sending texts.
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Terrifying Effigies posted:That really got driven home in that VDV guy's recounting of the Kherson invasion where he starts to realize that every civilian from teenager to pensioner they're passing are on their phones taking pictures and sending texts. I'm kind of surprised that Russia didn't just... try to destroy every cell tower and telecommunications building they passed, honestly.
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Quackles posted:I'm kind of surprised that Russia didn't just... try to destroy every cell tower and telecommunications building they passed, honestly. Well, their jammers worked against their own secure comms. Those that they actually had and didn't only exist on paper. So they were forced to use those same cell towers and networks. So I recall reading in the first few months, anyway. https://asiatimes.com/2022/05/the-fatal-failure-of-russias-era-cryptophone-system/ E: VVV my man. Arrath fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Arrath posted:Well, see, their jammers worked against their own secure comms. Those that they actually had and didn't only exist on paper. So they were forced to use those same cell towers and networks. And the secure comms their jammers didn't block ... relied on 3G cell phone tower availability. That they blew up. bennyfactor fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/adolfputin12/status/1561833254247964675?s=21&t=RZ0zHUJg5YaxGMBRVMpxOQ lmao loving loser got trump lawyered
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This is the first big conventional war where commercial satellite imagery of the operational area is available daily and good enough to work out exactly where ammo depots are (particularly if you already know where to search because you had a tip off). That, combined with long range precision fires is demonstrating just how different the nature of modern peer warfare is.
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Alchenar posted:This is the first big conventional war where commercial satellite imagery of the operational area is available daily and good enough to work out exactly where ammo depots are (particularly if you already know where to search because you had a tip off). That, combined with long range precision fires is demonstrating just how different the nature of modern peer warfare is. We're learning just what "if you can see it, you can kill it" really means.
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A.o.D. posted:We're learning just what "if you can see it, you can kill it" really means. I think the difference between MRLS and HIMARS is the highlight: no I don't need tracked off-road capability and twice the missile count on the GPS guided fires system that reloads cells in five minutes anyway. What I want is to be able to drive 200km to my launch point, fire everything, and drive 200km back possibly to somewhere else entirely, all before the sun comes up. Then do it again tomorrow.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1562408730947461120?s=20&t=6Pew5gvTyezg-wsujUNQpA Saw a video of a Ukrainian partisan talking about a gun and then the camera pulled back to show he had some hogtied Russian on the ground. You don't see what happens...but I'm going to say it does not end well for the hogtied person. . Also don't be a Russian solider in Kherson. One thought he'd mess around with a young girl...and got his throat cut. Not quite what the Russian's were hoping for from their "little brothers." In other news Pope Francis continues to show his full rear end. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-warns-potential-nuclear-disaster-ukraines-zaporizhzhia-plant-2022-08-24/ quote:VATICAN CITY, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Ukraine's ambassador to the Vatican on Wednesday criticised Pope Francis for referring to Darya Dugina, daughter of a prominent Russian ultra-nationalist, who was killed by a car bomb near Moscow, as an innocent victim of war. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Saw a video of a Ukrainian partisan talking about a gun and then the camera pulled bad to show he had some hogtied Russian on the ground. You don't see what happens...but I'm going to say it does not end well for the hogtied person. Man, gently caress that. Obviously people die in war, it’s no fun getting shelled or having explosions wake you up or getting shot at. But there’s something so hosed about electing to torture or murder someone after they’re restrained/captured. Not just in wartime, I hate corporal and capital punishment for the same reason. Continuing violence after neutralizing the threat just sits wrong with me.
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If it's local partisans, Ukraine mil/gov has no control what they do. It's locals taking out vengeance and anger on invading rapists, murderers and thieves, in their perspective. Justifiable or not, it's going to keep happening.
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mlmp08 posted:Man, gently caress that. Obviously people die in war, it’s no fun getting shelled or having explosions wake you up or getting shot at. But there’s something so hosed about electing to torture or murder someone after they’re restrained/captured. Not just in wartime, I hate corporal and capital punishment for the same reason. Continuing violence after neutralizing the threat just sits wrong with me. Eh I can understand that it's distasteful, but it's not like teenage girls weren't doing it to Nazi's, in I want to say the Netherlands or Denmark. They'd lure Nazi's from bars and then take them to the woods, where they'd get whacked and buried. I'm not saying this is cool and all, but I understand. In the end this is the fault of the Russian Federation and no one else. They should have listened to Gritty.  CRUSTY MINGE posted:If it's local partisans, Ukraine mil/gov has no control what they do. It's locals taking out vengeance and anger on invading rapists, murderers and thieves, in their perspective. Justifiable or not, it's going to keep happening. I actually think there is some coordination between Kyiv and local groups. It's talked about in a recent NYTimes article about partisians in Kherson.
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Its any torture that I'd be firmly against, knifing/shooting/bombing occupiers is fair game. Its not like you can imprison them.
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Partisans are not exactly setup to hold prisoners of war either. You take a guy, he can identify you possibly, you cannot risk them telling others who might be in a resistance. Its sucks, but that's the nature of it. But yeah, boo on torture, just kill them and be done with it.
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Hashing out which kind of Isis video you're personally okay with is not a great look, guys.
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M_Gargantua posted:Its any torture that I'd be firmly against, knifing/shooting/bombing occupiers is fair game. Its not like you can imprison them. Yeah, I totally understand that. I mean if anything torturing them is pointless, time wasting, and more likely to get you got (and you know will get the Abyss staring back at you), then just doming them and burying the corpse...especially since it's not like the Russian's could be assed to even care or look for the person.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Hashing out which kind of Isis video you're personally okay with is not a great look, guys. That's not what's happening here, but thanks for contributing to the discussion.
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This is a settler-colonial war of extermination. If you don't want the violence characteristic of this kind of war, don't engage in it.
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Dropping hog tied russians in a river would save bullets...
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mlmp08 posted:Man, gently caress that. Obviously people die in war, it’s no fun getting shelled or having explosions wake you up or getting shot at. But there’s something so hosed about electing to torture or murder someone after they’re restrained/captured. Not just in wartime, I hate corporal and capital punishment for the same reason. Continuing violence after neutralizing the threat just sits wrong with me. They invaded, they get what's coming to them. Easy as that.
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The line between brutish terrorism and partisan action is entirely one of moral definition. French Partisans in WWII? Moral and right, justified in what they did while they were called rebels are terrorists by the Germans ISIS? You do not at all gotta hand it to them. Just Terrorists. Its pretty clear Ukrainian's are in the justified category, but it is somewhat a hindsight thing as well.
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mlmp08 posted:Man, gently caress that. Obviously people die in war, it’s no fun getting shelled or having explosions wake you up or getting shot at. But there’s something so hosed about electing to torture or murder someone after they’re restrained/captured. Not just in wartime, I hate corporal and capital punishment for the same reason. Continuing violence after neutralizing the threat just sits wrong with me. Partisans aren't protected by laws like soldiers, kill or be killed is the usual way.
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Just Another Lurker posted:Partisans aren't protected by laws like soldiers, kill or be killed is the usual way. There is actually no third category. Either they are soldiers, and should get POW protections, or they are civilians, and should be tried in the civilian justice system.
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M_Gargantua posted:The line between brutish terrorism and partisan action is entirely one of moral definition. And given that Russia is re-enacting a lot of the mass punishment genocide poo poo the Nazis loved to use, slaughtering whole towns and massacring civilians, comparing partisians to ISIS is laughable. They are literally being invaded, slaughtered, deported, their children ripped from them and the survivors shipped to Russia.
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Xakura posted:There is actually no third category. Either they are soldiers, and should get POW protections, or they are civilians, and should be tried in the civilian justice system. Gonna need some Ukrainian Judge Dredds over here.
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Xakura posted:There is actually no third category. Either they are soldiers, and should get POW protections, or they are civilians, and should be tried in the civilian justice system. Civilian justice system.... during an occupation? You should know better than that.
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Terrifying Effigies posted:That really got driven home in that VDV guy's recounting of the Kherson invasion where he starts to realize that every civilian from teenager to pensioner they're passing are on their phones taking pictures and sending texts. OTOH, it seems like it would be pretty easy for Russia to spam the tips hotline with a flood of misreporting/disinfo. Or even just keeping the operators busy all day so the right stuff can’t get through. The numbers for these hotlines can’t be that hard to track down, and this is the kind of thing Russia’s good at, even in peacetime - I’m sure they’re throwing even more resources at it now. How do you counter that, making sure that the info you’re receiving is actually from trustworthy sources and filtering out the attempts to jam the system? Someone upthread mentioned Ukraine had streamlined a system for this on Day 1, what is that system? (Obvs don’t divulge anything Ukrainian opsec wizard would curse you for)
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M_Gargantua posted:Civilian justice system.... during an occupation? You should know better than that. Doesn't matter. There is no third category of captives. It's soldiers or civilians.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:If it's local partisans, Ukraine mil/gov has no control what they do. It's locals taking out vengeance and anger on invading rapists, murderers and thieves, in their perspective. Justifiable or not, it's going to keep happening. Some dude calling the person they hate a pedo to justify their murder to the world and presumably themselves means very little wrt their actually being a pedo. Like they might be one or dude might just be hyping himself up to do the murder.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Gonna need some Ukrainian Judge Dredds over here. P sure they are all engaged with the Russians already
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spittoon posted:OTOH, it seems like it would be pretty easy for Russia to spam the tips hotline with a flood of misreporting/disinfo. Or even just keeping the operators busy all day so the right stuff can’t get through. The numbers for these hotlines can’t be that hard to track down, and this is the kind of thing Russia’s good at, even in peacetime - I’m sure they’re throwing even more resources at it now. That reminds me some Russian douche on twitter is posting Ukrainian Troop positions. If anyone wants they can report it for encouraging violence under harassment by national origin, it's appreciated. https://twitter.com/nabrezhnye/status/1562060184046178304?s=20&t=dQZsDEcEzHkR4sS010e06A Regarding Ukraine. I'll try and find the full English text of the law, but this is the Day 1 thing. https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/understanding-ukraines-national-resistance.html It's some here on the Rada's page. I'll keep looking for it, but it's really neat to look over the last 6 months and see how a democracy can still maintain itself during an invasion. https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/main/en/df202207/sps Google Translate actually does a pretty decent job. I'm honestly impressed with the improvement in computer based translations over the last decade. Granted I don't know how well it works with say Japanese (which was always a mess). Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Russia having a totally normal day here, just celebrating the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact....no really...they are. lol Reminded me of this other "why did you post this?" from yesterday of a prominent Chinese diplomat uh, supporting Imperial Japan among other things. https://twitter.com/CGMeifangZhang/status/1562061254780411904
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Grand Fromage posted:lol Oh god that thing was absolutely hilarious, just totally devoid of common sense or logic. Just list enough to fit an infographic. lol
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Grand Fromage posted:I honestly am impressed at trying to make a list of wars of US aggression and somehow managing to whiff entirely. Really shouldn't be that hard. Yeah, I mean it's pretty easy to do and barely even requires wikipedia. I guess it was the tankie interns day to make up the infographs for that day.
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