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So, things are looking up from that rules sheet leak. Which probably says something about the difference between complicated cards and playable cards.
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The World Inferno posted:geez that's comical. Cycles man..... https://twitter.com/hourlymtg/status/1277271313304952833?lang=ar-x-fm
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CommunityEdition posted:So, things are looking up from that rules sheet leak. Which probably says something about the difference between complicated cards and playable cards. Yeah today’s spoilers have been pretty goddamn good
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Aug 24, 2022 18:07
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People on reddit et al have been saying that this set is underpowered and maybe that's true from a older format perspective but the commons and uncommons in this set are extremely powerful. This is gonna be one of the strongest limited environments we've had in a while and I might reinstall arena just to draft it.
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Aug 24, 2022 18:10
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Some folks are very high on the power level for eternal formats: https://twitter.com/FaithlessMTG/status/1562465024739647490
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Aug 24, 2022 18:14
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I think calling Leyline Binding the most powerful removal since Swords to Plowshares is wildly insincere clickbait.
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The Shortest Path posted:I thunk calling Leyline Binding the most powerful removal since Swords to Plowshares is wildly insincere clickbait. Especially while Boseiju is as heavily played as it is.
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Aug 24, 2022 18:23
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This set has a lot of Oblivion Ring going on. What's up?
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Aug 24, 2022 18:26
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It's not automatically 1 mana in every deck. But it will be in a lot of decks
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Aug 24, 2022 18:27
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AngryBooch posted:Some folks are very high on the power level for eternal formats: it's an o-ring that can get cast on turn 2 I guess. comparing it to swords is weird
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Aug 24, 2022 18:28
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Path to exile can exile a ragavan on turn one, and no one plays it as far as i know. Idk enough about pioneer to know if its good there but i cant see it seeing play in modern, let alone legacy
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Aug 24, 2022 18:33
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This has been my most anticipated card of the set lol
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:This has been my most anticipated card of the set lol Somebody is going to make bird tribal with ledger shredder and the baby phoenix
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Aug 24, 2022 18:42
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The Shortest Path posted:
RIP Creeping Mold, outclassed in every way. CharlieFoxtrot posted:This has been my most anticipated card of the set lol Seems kind of nuts, and also nice Wizard typing just to make the synergies even more apparent. I guess being a legend is a slight drawback, but not really in the right deck. Now all they need to do is reprint Burst of Speed or Anger or Emblem of the Warmind  Rivaz seems pretty solid as a Dragon lord, depending on how hard you can punch through stuff reliably. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:This has been my most anticipated card of the set lol izzet aggro is lookin kinda spicy Mat Cauthon posted:RIP Creeping Mold, outclassed in every way. Yeah I still cannot get over this card. It's a better naturalize or a colorshifted Utter End, and it's at uncommon.
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Mat Cauthon posted:RIP Creeping Mold, outclassed in every way. Creeping Mold is also a stone rain: a thing they no longer really do.
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Izzet/Jeskai Spells seems like it's going to be in a pretty good place after the rotation, a lot of the Arcane Bombardment and Hinata decks are still going to be around it have acceptable replacements.
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Tibalt posted:Izzet/Jeskai Spells seems like it's going to be in a pretty good place after the rotation, a lot of the Arcane Bombardment and Hinata decks are still going to be around it have acceptable replacements. is Hinata remotely playable without Magma Opus?
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The World Inferno posted:geez that's comical. from a design perspective, there's only a certain amount of power to throw around on individual cards. You might as well put it in a place where you know it's going to be good, like goblins and elves, as opposed to taking a risk on a 2-mana white Lord that probably won't be appealing unless you push it to an unreasonable level or break the color pie in some way
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The Shortest Path posted:izzet aggro is lookin kinda spicy There's also that 1UU djinn that's basically Enigma Drake stapled to Goblin Electromancer, which is so disgusting.
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mandatory lesbian posted:Path to exile can exile a ragavan on turn one, and no one plays it as far as i know. Idk enough about pioneer to know if its good there but i cant see it seeing play in modern, let alone legacy eh, path still sees some play and used to see quite a bit more before they printed prismatic ending/solitude prismatic ending is probably the better point of comparison since they both deal with non-creature threats, benefit from domain, have scaling mana costs, etc. the new card does have some definite upsides/potential upsides in that comparison (instant, doesn’t care about cmc so it can merc a murktide, potentially cheaper in mid-long term, being etb randomly gets around some forms of protection), but it’s far from clear that they outweigh the difficulty of use during the first few turns/wanting to get full domain (and accompanying slowness and/or insecurity of the mana base) e: kalel posted:from a design perspective, there's only a certain amount of power to throw around on individual cards. You might as well put it in a place where you know it's going to be good, like goblins and elves, as opposed to taking a risk on a 2-mana white Lord that probably won't be appealing unless you push it to an unreasonable level or break the color pie in some way Power is always relative, and pushing a card doesn’t hurt some sort of imaginary budget that then requires you to then make the elf lord bad or w/e. The “risk” involved here is just that you either have a powerful card that doesn’t have enough support pieces to matter (in which case oh well) or it’s good enough (in conjunction with other cards) to make its tribe viable, which *also* isn’t a disaster. Ofc you can push it so hard it fucks upturn format or w/e but that’s a risk shared by *any* pushed card, and there’s a whole lot of room to work with before that lackluster lord turns into a new skullclamp or forms a format-warping spirit bomb of tribal synergy. This pretty clearly isn’t a scenario where the white lord had to be toned down because of the overwhelming power of other things in Soldier tribal! Not every cycle is or needs to be equitable, but there’s definitely something offputting about tribal support that makes such clearly intentional power-level delineations between the “real” tribes and the also-rans. LGD fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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This set seems really strong to me. I think what's coloring folks opinions (in the internet ether, not necessarily this thread) on this is that the high-profile cards like Karn, Ajani, Weatherlight, etc. all look like they suck. So it feels disappointing. But there are tons of super great cards here, many of which are uncommon. mikeraskol fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Lone Goat posted:is Hinata remotely playable without Magma Opus? I don't think so, and the mana base will also be terrible without pathways.
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Why is white always the color that has to sacrifice card slots to be a secret multicolor card?
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orangelex44 posted:Why is white always the color that has to sacrifice card slots to be a secret multicolor card? Because white is the bad color. It always gets its limitations with standard and limited in mind, while the other colors have their limitations set by eternal formats.
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orangelex44 posted:Why is white always the color that has to sacrifice card slots to be a secret multicolor card? why.... what?
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kalel posted:from a design perspective, there's only a certain amount of power to throw around on individual cards. You might as well put it in a place where you know it's going to be good, like goblins and elves, as opposed to taking a risk on a 2-mana white Lord that probably won't be appealing unless you push it to an unreasonable level or break the color pie in some way Soldiers are a pretty deep roster at this point, seeing a good amount of incidental play in a couple of formats - Thalia, Thalia's LT, Brutal Cathar, Adanto Vanguard, Favored Hoplite, General's Enforcer, General Kudro, 10th District Legionnaire, etc. They don't have the same synergy as Elves, Goblins, Merfolk, Fairies, etc, and are missing a solid 2-drop lord as well which holds them back from being a proper tribe. This guy could've solved at least one of those problems, and he's a Kor rather than a Human so you don't have to worry (too much) about accidentally buffing an ancillary tribe. My guess is they were worried if they made him too good he would just be an auto-include in W/x aggro good stuff, but that seems like a pretty weak reason to not have it be on par with the other lords in DMU - they all have abilities that allow you to be somewhat active, the soldier lord has to be in the graveyard to do anything extra.
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White being bad is a Reddit take imo. Was it that long ago that the Mono W deck was the big boogie man in standard? Prismatic/Solitude/March/Skyclave have all seen eternal play. The best commander in commander has white as half its colour identity. There’s a good chance more good white cards have been printed in the last two years than black. The colour White in Magic: The Gathering is ownage imo. I am interested to see which colour typically gets the worst card in cycles throughout Magic history. It probably is white, but I can think of a lot of lovely red cards too. fadam fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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white didn't start getting the goods recently until zendikar rising with the printing of skyclave app, Luminarch asp, archon of em, and to a lesser extent felidar retreat. that was in 2020. which is roughly a year after the release of throne of eldraine when the whining about white from the community was at its peak it is now in a decent place and I guess black is the current black sheep of the pie currently? But overall I think the pie balance is a lot better now than two years ago
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fadam posted:White being bad is a Reddit take imo. Was it that long ago that the Mono W deck was the big boogie man in standard? Prismatic/Solitude/March/Skyclave have all seen eternal play. The best commander in commander has white as half its colour identity. There’s a good chance more good white cards have been printed in the last two years than black. The colour White in Magic: The Gathering is ownage imo. White DID get the best Circle of Protection…
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fadam posted:White being bad is a Reddit take imo. Was it that long ago that the Mono W deck was the big boogie man in standard? Prismatic/Solitude/March/Skyclave have all seen eternal play. The best commander in commander has white as half its colour identity. There’s a good chance more good white cards have been printed in the last two years than black. The colour White in Magic: The Gathering is ownage imo. The two strongest decks in bo1 standard are Boros and Mono-W, currently. And most people expect both to survive rotation. Bo3 meta is slower of course but I am pretty certain that mono-w is the strongest mono-color deck in standard. Checking stats: Jeskai, Rackdos, Esper, Grixis, Orzhov, mono-w Somone with access to one of those paid stats providers could give you more data, but it is pretty clear that W is the strongest color currently.
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kalel posted:white didn't start getting the goods recently until zendikar rising with the printing of skyclave app, Luminarch asp, archon of em, and to a lesser extent felidar retreat. that was in 2020. which is roughly a year after the release of throne of eldraine when the whining about white from the community was at its peak The only 60 card constructed format I play with any regularity right now is Modern and Black definitely feels like it’s the worst positioned colour there. The only black cards I see are basically Living End fodder.
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fadam posted:White being bad is a Reddit take imo. Was it that long ago that the Mono W deck was the big boogie man in standard? Prismatic/Solitude/March/Skyclave have all seen eternal play. The best commander in commander has white as half its colour identity. There’s a good chance more good white cards have been printed in the last two years than black. The colour White in Magic: The Gathering is ownage imo. what's the best commander in commander
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ilmucche posted:what's the best commander in commander Tymna
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ilmucche posted:what's the best commander in commander the blue one
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fadam posted:The only 60 card constructed format I play with any regularity right now is Modern and Black definitely feels like it’s the worst positioned colour there. The only black cards I see are basically Living End fodder. Black is good in Legacy, reanimator is strong and grixis control is creeping back, bant with black splash was the best version but bant is in a bad spot. There’s some storm variants that run peer into the abyss/ad naus and tendrils which have been losing ground to TEG but they’re still around.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:the blue one Part of what makes Tymna goated is how she’s friends with two of the best blue commanders. Chakan posted:Black is good in Legacy, reanimator is strong and grixis control is creeping back, bant with black splash was the best version but bant is in a bad spot. There’s some storm variants that run peer into the abyss/ad naus and tendrils which have been losing ground to TEG but they’re still around. What’s the most recent black card that’s seeing a lot of play? Pita?
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fadam posted:Part of what makes Tymna goated is how she’s friends with two of the best blue commanders. grief probably
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