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Opopanax posted:It's insane how poorly things have been over there. WB has trouble getting good movies out of their trinity, meanwhile Marvel gets people to love Ant Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy I wonder if that is part of Marvel's success, though - that they aren't trotting out tired takes on the usual characters. Does DC not have a backlog of minor heroes that they can redraw for the first time on screen?
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ImpAtom posted:I genuinely don't think any amount of Flashpoint is going to save the current DCEU because it's just a giant convoluted mess and trying to justify an in-story retcon isn't going to change that. They have all the problems of a shared universe but pretty much none of the benefits. Yeah this, instead of doing a film with a retcon in it that resets the board and "lets them tell a new story in a shared universe" or whatever, just do the second part. Just tell some stories and if some of them connect, cool, if they're completely out on their own, also cool. It felt like for a bit they sorta had it, Aquaman, Shazam and such weren't amazing films but they were perfectly fine. Wonder Woman 2 less so but what they're doing now is baffling.
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I don't wanna say that it's Geoff Johns fault for more of the B and C list characters not gaining more traction but mmm No on second thought I'm kinda fine with that There's probably a real institutional problem when instead of building on the major mainstream successes of stuff like Justice League (John Stewart) and the animated Teen Titans (and Go) they insist on doing poo poo with Hal Jordan and... all that stuff that is in the Titans show I mean on the other hand, you occasionally get something like Peacemaker which benefits from the "Whatever, try anything" approach but it feels like the hits to misses ratio is maybe 1:10
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Aug 25, 2022 11:24
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Also (and I could be wrong) it feels like the time between filming and releasing these movies is way too long. Marvel usually does a two year gap between films in a series, but it feels like many of the DC movies take 3 years to release after filming. Especially with all the delays that keep happening.
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Aug 25, 2022 12:58
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I just realized, and it's loving hilarious, that DC movies have done the exact same thing the comics did. Like uh oh, the storylines have become a bit convoluted, there's only one thing that ever solves this! It's time for another universe-wide reboot!
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Lancelot posted:I wonder if that is part of Marvel's success, though - that they aren't trotting out tired takes on the usual characters. Does DC not have a backlog of minor heroes that they can redraw for the first time on screen? I certainly think so. That first Hulk movie didn't capture the audience's attention the way Iron Man, Thor and Captain America did. The MCU really lucked out with having already licenced away all their proper stars. It's a lot more satisfying to come to see characters you don't already have preconceptions of - if you enjoyed the movie then it is by default the best interpretation of that character you've seen. Batman and Superman are competing for attention with not just all their past adaptations but every joke and parody told about them for the last century, while only real comics nerds will have even heard of Hawkeye.
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TwoPair posted:A Christmas Day release? drat, what did Jason Momoa do to the Discovery guys? The first movie was a Christmas release and did bizarrely, inexplicably well: it’s technically still the highest grossing DC movie ever, although the Nolan movies beat it adjusted for inflation. The real question at WB is why they kept throwing weird poo poo at the wall instead of doubling down on the public’s apparent Aquaman-mania.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The first movie was a Christmas release and did bizarrely, inexplicably well: it’s technically still the highest grossing DC movie ever, although the Nolan movies beat it adjusted for inflation. Aquamania was right there
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This is what I’ve been saying since they started this…you can’t eliminate tons of content and expect to come out ahead when you are a content company
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The first movie was a Christmas release and did bizarrely, inexplicably well: it’s technically still the highest grossing DC movie ever, although the Nolan movies beat it adjusted for inflation. 
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Lancelot posted:I wonder if that is part of Marvel's success, though - that they aren't trotting out tired takes on the usual characters. Does DC not have a backlog of minor heroes that they can redraw for the first time on screen? Yeah, but they just cancelled them all
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The Batman came out last year and it did pretty good. Honestly Marvel has got a method down to a science right now, for good or bad, and DC can't decide if they want to fully commit to that method or not. Personally I think DC movies are a lot more varied and different, but not necessarily good. You get a fun r-rated Suicide Squad, a Batman movie that is divorced from everything, a superhero version of big, an underrated Birds of Prey, and Aquaman movie that...exists and is stupid.
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Aug 25, 2022 15:42
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Gonna try and find it but I read a source somewhere yesterday claiming that the move is at least partially due to WB being too deep in debt to afford more than two theatrical releases this year.
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theironjef posted:Gonna try and find it but I read a source somewhere yesterday claiming that the move is at least partially due to WB being too deep in debt to afford more than two theatrical releases this year. sure is a good thing they weren't bought by a company that took on twice the amount of that debt to conduct the purchase and merge those two debt balls together then, huh?
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Aug 25, 2022 15:54
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I always grew up a Marvel fan so to me the DC characters and movies just aren’t fun and the characters don’t have charisma. The serious Marvel characters that aren’t known for their joking side (Hulk, Blade) aren’t the ones that helped grow the MCU, it was Spider-Man and Iron man which are able to have more shallow lighthearted moments. Snyder and Nolan are also not the directors for that, and these massive behemoth franchises aren’t going to work if you only appeal to 30 year olds. I’m probably so wrong but that’s my dumb brain casual dude impression.
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Barry Convex posted:funny but also kinda sad related, but not funny, just sad: Twitter thread from Ivory Aquino, who played a major trans supporting character in Batgirl https://twitter.com/MsIvoryAquino/status/1562704630580396034
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Aug 25, 2022 16:06
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I simply can't imagine the way it would feel to get a part in a major studio's superhero movie, only to find out that never will that movie be released, but it will be destroyed. Add to that representing a marginalized community?
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Soonmot posted:I simply can't imagine the way it would feel to get a part in a major studio's superhero movie, only to find out that never will that movie be released, but it will be destroyed. Add to that representing a marginalized community? And all for a tax write off
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Lobok posted:I just realized, and it's loving hilarious, that DC movies have done the exact same thing the comics did. Like uh oh, the storylines have become a bit convoluted, there's only one thing that ever solves this! It's time for another universe-wide reboot! It’s kind of the opposite, though - The comics rebooted so they wouldn’t have to keep explaining why there was more than one Batman. The movies are rebooting so they can explain that there is more than one Batman.
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Codependent Poster posted:And all for a tax write off The darkly ironic thing is that it probably would have been a flop* - or as much of a flop as it’s possible for a direct to streaming movie to be - but there’s no way it would have generated the negative income that they’ve already lost in subscription cancellations. A lot of streaming income is generated by people getting used to having the app on their devices and just kind of forgetting that they’re paying a monthly fee. The last thing you want to do is remind people that they’re paying you money by openly reducing product value. *I mean, I haven’t seen it and I don’t really trust the stories of terrible focus groups, but it wasn’t a movie with a lot of buzz behind it before the cancellation announcement.
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I’m starting to think these corporations aren’t nice.
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Lobok posted:I just realized, and it's loving hilarious, that DC movies have done the exact same thing the comics did. Like uh oh, the storylines have become a bit convoluted, there's only one thing that ever solves this! It's time for another universe-wide reboot! Crisis At One Corporation!
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The darkly ironic thing is that it probably would have been a flop* - or as much of a flop as it’s possible for a direct to streaming movie to be - but there’s no way it would have generated the negative income that they’ve already lost in subscription cancellations. Somebody's probably already made a The Producers joke where DC thinks they can make more money with a subscription service that flops instead of a hit.
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Barry Convex posted:related, but not funny, just sad: Twitter thread from Ivory Aquino, who played a major trans supporting character in Batgirl Hey whoever was looking for the toxic Snyderbro takes on this earlier, they’re right this way (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Barry Convex posted:related, but not funny, just sad: Twitter thread from Ivory Aquino, who played a major trans supporting character in Batgirl doesn't take long before the SnyderBros swooped in on this one, jesus gently caress. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Don't read the comments. I didn't. I do feel for her. That crew put in the hard work and is having it destroyed.
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Jesus gently caress, a mod said zip it with Snyder stuff but you just can't help yourselves that a few pissants are being assholes where from what I am reading a lot of people are supporting that tweet and making parallels to what the previous boss did to Snyder. It's BS that Batgirl is getting shelved. gently caress. He lives rent free in all your heads, good or bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QZgH1eP2o
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Splint Chesthair posted:It’s kind of the opposite, though - But that's the joke of it. No one ever thinks it needs an explanation other than DC itself. We can't do Batman stuff over here when we're doing Batman stuff over there. Why not? No one gives a poo poo! And in the comics, by trying to make a simpler status quo that works at the time, they end up creating several status quos (statuses quo?) for an overall far more confusing history.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The darkly ironic thing is that it probably would have been a flop* - or as much of a flop as it’s possible for a direct to streaming movie to be - but there’s no way it would have generated the negative income that they’ve already lost in subscription cancellations. Even bad movies find their audiences, though.
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Vintersorg posted:Jesus gently caress, a mod said zip it with Snyder stuff but you just can't help yourselves that a few pissants are being assholes where from what I am reading a lot of people are supporting that tweet and making parallels to what the previous boss did to Snyder. It's BS that Batgirl is getting shelved. gently caress. are you okay
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I don't know if it is an intentional thing or not, but given how badly WB/D burned executives, talent, and production staff, you are going to have tons of people who are giving these kinds of stories and interviews with claims like this. I understand that a lot of this had to happen because of the merger and having so many redundant positions/departments, but they literally handled it the worst way possible by suddenly slashing everything with no explanation, locking peoples' office doors and emailing them that they are let go, or straight up removing the Batgirl director's from the permissions list to access their own movie. People are going to be pissed and want to go to the media about it and even if they are exaggerating or telling just one perspective, nobody is going to believe WB/D because of how badly they messed this up.
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Vintersorg posted:Jesus gently caress, a mod said zip it with Snyder stuff but you just can't help yourselves that a few pissants are being assholes where from what I am reading a lot of people are supporting that tweet and making parallels to what the previous boss did to Snyder. It's BS that Batgirl is getting shelved. gently caress. Gail Simone was just complaining about them this morning so you should probably go tell her she's imagining it too
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site posted:Gail Simone was just complaining about them this morning so you should probably go tell her she's imagining it too Can you read? Where did I say they are fake? It's some assholes out there who make up a small minority of the fanbase. How many loving times does this thread have to be told not to judge an entire fandom based on a few assholes. But noooo - only Snyder fans are toxic assholes. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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They thought "John from Cincinatti" was a good idea a few years back, I have a pretty good idea how white they are
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Vintersorg posted:Can you read? Where did I say they are fake? It's some assholes out there who make up a small minority of the fanbase. How many loving times does this thread have to be told not to judge an entire fandom based on a few assholes. They're not the minority of Snyder fans here, and that's why people are so aggressive about it. Be the loving change you want to see.
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Aphrodite posted:Be the loving change you want to see. Someone posted the link to the transperson's tweet about getting to see the film and we got a post saying "oh great, the Snyderbros found the thread" 
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