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Owlbear Camus posted:They could have at least had some simmer with Ed's conflict over the Father being a drat Rusky to work out but they just kill the guy off so that ends up going nowhere. This was probably a very cynical move to cut off the option of aborting the pregnancy, to get everyone, especially the audience, invested in miracle space baby and to echo the Cold War orphan themes already going on.
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"I actually go by Ender now"
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Owlbear Camus posted:While diagetically true, it's funny that given the conceits of dramatic TV and the way it was shot we the audience pretty much know the MMU maneuver is almost certain to succeed and it's Ed's fate that is very much in question. the show has a way of taking nearly impossible feats that no one in real life could ever do (Ellen's catch, Danny fixing Polaris), and making it a sure thing because the consequences of failure would be worse than Danny's plotline and nothing is allowed to be worse than Danny's plotline
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Sivart13 posted:how grim would it be for Kelly to have missed that airlock and just floated out to space forever Your posting disagrees
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tokin opposition posted:Your posting disagrees
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Honestly, the “baby launch” sequence has a lot of 70’s Men’s Movement myth themes in it. The Wounded Father uses his prowess to help usher the Daughter across the metaphorical threshold of Womanhood. The Wounded Father knows he can only take the Daughter to the edge of that threshold, she must make that transition under her own power. The Daughter propels herself from the Wounded Father and initiates herself into the larger world. Having already shown the wisdom of consulting the Goddess (Molly’s advice about relying on the horizon), the Wounded Father has gained a boon that allowed him to survive his travail and become the Restored Father. Then immediately finds out his ex wife just got blowed up.
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Sivart13 posted:??? It's worse than Danny's plotline 
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Marsupial Ape posted:Honestly, the “baby launch” sequence has a lot of 70’s Men’s Movement myth themes in it. The Wounded Father uses his prowess to help usher the Daughter across the metaphorical threshold of Womanhood. The Wounded Father knows he can only take the Daughter to the edge of that threshold, she must make that transition under her own power. The Daughter propels herself from the Wounded Father and initiates herself into the larger world. By being the Shouting Father to the Failed Son, he prevented himself from becoming the Cucked Father.
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Owlbear Camus posted:By being the Shouting Father to the Failed Son, he prevented himself from becoming the Cucked Father. Also a valid interpretation.
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Is this the poo poo Jordan Peterson believes in
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tokin opposition posted:Is this the poo poo Jordan Peterson believes in No. This is more “bang the drum slowly” Robert Bly stuff from the late 70s/ early 80s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTtzJhB5uFI
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Sivart13 posted:how grim would it be for Kelly to have missed that airlock and just floated out to space forever When Apollo 24 did it's unscheduled burn and hurtled off towards deep space I did legit think at first that they were just giving those characters a super grim ending. No tracking of where they had exactly gone, no communications, no idea if Deke and Ellen survived the initial burn, just gone forever.
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Owlbear Camus posted:By being the Shouting Father to the Failed Son, he prevented himself from becoming the Cucked Father. FOR NOW.
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fischtick posted:Show's gonna jump forward 18 years to Ivan "Space Baby" Baldwin's first day at Babby Baldwin: Yes I know I look 42, that's the result of being born in space and also a half-commie, but I assure you I am 18. Space Sergeant: Well okay, your quarters are this way, Ivan. Babby Baldwin: Hey.... call me Ed.
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I don't think this was posted here yet. Kinnaman playing hype man. https://www.theringer.com/tv/2022/8/12/23301727/for-all-mankind-season-3-finale-joel-kinnaman-interview-apple-tv quote:"I’m reading the script for Season 4 and the ideas for Season 4 and also for Season 5 are incredible. Hopefully we’ll keep this train moving and there’s going to be some real fireworks ahead."
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At this point I'm just fully embracing that Ed is going to continue being the lead astronaut/commander on missions into his 90s (and maybe beyond!)
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There has to be a plot point where they discover deaging to let Ed live forever
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this series is just going to rip off bits from KSR's Red Mars trilogy but all in service of keeping Ed front and center forever
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Season 6: Ed becomes V’Ger so he can continue almost being the first man on [insert planet here] for all eternity
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Season 6: Ed becomes V’Ger so he can continue almost being the first man on [insert planet here] for all eternity Spock: My mind... to your mind.... Ed'Ger: Can't believe I'm the first man-machine hybrid to merge consciousnesses with a Vulcan! Spock: Actually I've done this several times..... hello? Ed'Ger? Fascinating, Captain, it appears to be.... I believe the human term is.... sulking?
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bawfuls posted:this series is just going to rip off bits from KSR's Red Mars trilogy but all in service of keeping Ed front and center forever China also conspicuously absent in the Mars trilogy, albeit for different reasons.
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Rental Sting posted:China also conspicuously absent in the Mars trilogy, albeit for different reasons.
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Jerusalem posted:At this point I'm just fully embracing that Ed is going to continue being the lead astronaut/commander on missions into his 90s (and maybe beyond!) The actor can play Ed's grandson in 2003. BCS had a ~50y old Aaron Paul play a 20y old and it worked. Gordo's second failchild is clearly over 40 and playing a 20y old. gently caress it, nobody cares anymore e: ok, just remembered that the kid is half vietnamese. I think it can still work
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bawfuls posted:What was the reason? It does stand out, with how many different nationalities and groups he puts on Mars and the effort he goes to showing their various priorities and cultural fusions. probably because apple has massive contractual commitments to the Chinese government and they aren't interested in anything the show could possibly portray re: China
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Flesh Forge posted:probably because apple has massive contractual commitments to the Chinese government and they aren't interested in anything the show could possibly portray re: China
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GABA ghoul posted:e: ok, just remembered that the kid is half vietnamese. I think it can still work Beloved actor Joel Kinnamon was beaten to death earlier today after revealing his new facial make-up for Season 5 of For All Mankind....
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GABA ghoul posted:The actor can play Ed's grandson in 2003. BCS had a ~50y old Aaron Paul play a 20y old and it worked. So they should definitely do it. bawfuls posted:I meant why is China absent from the Mars Trilogy which KSR wrote in the 90’s I dunno, obviously China wasn't in the 90s what it is today, but it should've been clear it will be a major player.
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mobby_6kl posted:It worked in the sense that it was very funny. Just from being nuke armed and having a billion fuckers up in there. It is pretty silly they are like the phantom country in all these shows now.
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In season 5, Mars baby should be played by Joel Kinnaman done like Martin Short's role in Clifford.
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mobby_6kl posted:It worked in the sense that it was very funny. I think KSR is just your typical Cold War gen kind of guy who was fixated on the Russia/America dynamic for anything space-related. He probably should've been a bit more forward-thinking about China's inevitable rise as a major power in space exploration, though, especially considering that other sci-fi writers around that time and earlier were able to do so - Arthur C. Clarke, for example (a Chinese mission to Europa is a major plot point in the book version of 2010, which came out a good 10 years before Red Mars).
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Yeah, I assumed he didn't anticipate China's rise on the world stage. The country was already on the up when KSR wrote the book but the economy really took off around the mid to late 90s. It's been a while but I recall Japan and the Saudis being major players in the trilogy.
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110 year old World President Ed Baldwin: Second person to make contact with sentient alien life after the aliens are only able to reach the Whitehouse switchboard.
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Started this series a few weeks back and finally ran out of episodes. This has got to be one of the most emotional shows I've ever watched. Goddamn it was good. Except the Stevens kids.
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Finally finished the show so can finish this thread. I'm 90% certain that Sergei is living in Philip and Elizabeth Jennings house. If so, nice hat tip. (e: went back and looked, it was not, not sure what I was thinking) For those wishing for more of a time skip, I don't think you can rule that out yet. They absolutely could be showing a quick stop at 2003 to show where Margot went and we can infer she was instrumental in advancing their program to get hypersonic neon thrusters or whatever that takes you to Europa. I saw someone mention that the creators intend to have the show end far off in the future? Mind sharing a citation? I went into this show blind a little over a month ago and have no outside context. Hi Bob. TraderStav fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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TraderStav posted:Finally finished the show so can finish this thread. Sure! Roger Moore, the series creator, has done a few interviews where he has talked about how he wants the show to go past our current year - although to my knowledge he hasn’t specifically dropped a “this show is building up to a Star Trek utopia” quote. This is from an interview he did after season 2 was released: Roger Moore posted:
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I don't think it was here that I picked up a recommendation for Riding Rockets book: https://www.amazon.com/Riding-Rocke...ps%2C186&sr=8-1 It's a memoir by a Shuttle astronaut, pretty easy and entertaining read. Obviously it's all real poo poo, but the fun parallel with the show was the astronaut selection process. Basically the management was really terrible and provided no transparency or criteria for who will be assigned to what mission and when. So you'd have dozens of astronauts trying to guess what they need to and how in order to be selected with zero feedback, for years on end, until a crew will be called to the office without with no notice and everyone else watched them go to a different building from their offices. I don't think any pilots/commanders were removed from a mission (at least until that point) but one mission specialist was bumped from his original flight because a senator wanted to go up instead. Poor guy was moved to the STS-51-L mission on the Challenger.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Roger Moore Ronald D. Moore
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