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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

DoombatINC posted:

i am nonreligious and my wife is nonreligious and we still do christmas every year because it's fun to give presents to people you love :)

Being nonreligious of Christian heritage is not really the same as being of a minority religious group hope this helps

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

"I'm nonreligious but celebrate Christmas anyway :)" oh word? You and like 60% of the rest of the country

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

loquacius posted:

Being nonreligious of Christian heritage is not really the same as being of a minority religious group hope this helps

agreed. i'm wicca and everyone misunderstands my tree

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN
Not a few Muslim families in America celebrate Christmas but then again they've got nothing against Issa

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

When did the demonization of public defenders in tv and movies start? Did law and order play a big part in that?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

When did the demonization of public defenders in tv and movies start? Did law and order play a big part in that?

defense lawyers have been the butt of a joke for awhile. the 'ambulance chaser' has been a stereotype since before L&O. if i had to guess it was during the 80s reagan era where it really took off

specifically public defenders i actually don't know. their traits of being stupid, unprepared, underpaid and uncaring seem pretty solidified in 90s media but i couldn't tell you where that comes from. maybe still more 'starve the beast' politics that denied funding, or maybe some publicized case where they were defending a particularly odious client

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i think the frivolous lawsuits memes of the eighties and nineties did most of the heavy lifting in terms of smearing lawyers as a profession in general

the practice in the late nineties was much worse for defense lawyers than law and order just because they were the actual main characters so they were knowingly rather than ambiguously defending evil clients

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

oh it looks like its about time for my monthly simpsons wasnt socialist bit so yeah lionel hutz was also pretty influential in regards to normalizing this very bad idea

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I mean tbf public defenders and litigators aren't the same kind of lawyer

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

loquacius posted:

I mean tbf public defenders and litigators aren't the same kind of lawyer

yeah i'll point out that there's no loving way hutz would ever be a public defender

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

trial lawyers are generally amongst the most pro-democrat group of donors out there

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i say swears online posted:

yeah i'll point out that there's no loving way hutz would ever be a public defender

slipping jimmy was a public defender all the time and hes based on the same archetype

i agree that lionel hutz would never be a public defender but only because simpsons writers at the time had no idea what a public defender was

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
i thought everyone liked lionel hutz

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Trabisnikof posted:

trial lawyers are generally amongst the most pro-democrat group of donors out there

i meant to bring that up in an earlier post; this was also a defining feature of politics in the reagan era. probably goes back to '68. in 2008 john edwards was slimed as an ambulance chaser

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Some Guy TT posted:

slipping jimmy was a public defender all the time and hes based on the same archetype

he was working as one because no real firm would give him a chance. in fact his first descent into evil on the show is when HHM steals a couple of his clients iirc

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/neontaster/status/1563293713073180672

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
i don't know how socialist it is per se but christmas evil is about a toy factory worker who goes on a killing spree because he gets pissed off at the waste & artifice of christmas and how no one really lives up to its ideals even as they're ostensibly observing its spirit,

oh also he watches his mom gently caress santa when he's a kid,

with an ending scene that i guarantee you would not predict in a 100 years.

anyway its very cspam, 5 stars

TheSlutPit
Dec 26, 2009

loquacius posted:

I mean tbf public defenders and litigators aren't the same kind of lawyer

This is true but not all litigators are the ambulance chaser types. Often times class litigation can be a powerful tool for workers to demand compensation from employers, in fact sometimes it’s the only (lawful, heh) tool.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Some Guy TT posted:

slipping jimmy was a public defender all the time and hes based on the same archetype

There was a good tweet thread from some public defender who talked about it. The exact wording was way better than I can do but the premise was that the system is designed to screw over the defendant, and you have to be like Jimmy to win against it.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

In the early seasons you can see Kim try to take on the system completely straightlaced and getting crushed by it.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
I think this thread is mixing up Public Defender and Defense Attorney because they aren’t synonyms and have different cliches. The former is shown to be incompetent, probably suffers from male pattern baldness, just wants whatever will end the trial quickest so they can go home and doesn’t care about his client. The later is “high powered” and is cacklingly evil as they work against our brave selfless hero cops to get off the smug evil perp using some insidious lie like “due process”.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Laterite posted:

i don't know how socialist it is per se but christmas evil is about a toy factory worker who goes on a killing spree because he gets pissed off at the waste & artifice of christmas and how no one really lives up to its ideals even as they're ostensibly observing its spirit,

Sounds similar to Silent Night, Deadly Night, a film about another killer Santa. The antagonist is a mean old nun so theoretically it's an anti clerical work. Much more progressive than it's sequel, where municipal waste workers are victimized.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

In the early seasons you can see Kim try to take on the system completely straightlaced and getting crushed by it.

iunno what my opinion is after the finale but early seasons kim and howard was some of my favorite tv ever. just enthralling actors that nailed every aspect of their respective career paths

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

galagazombie posted:

I think this thread is mixing up Public Defender and Defense Attorney because they aren’t synonyms and have different cliches. The former is shown to be incompetent, probably suffers from male pattern baldness, just wants whatever will end the trial quickest so they can go home and doesn’t care about his client. The later is “high powered” and is cacklingly evil as they work against our brave selfless hero cops to get off the smug evil perp using some insidious lie like “due process”.

thanks i meant to make that clear in an earlier post and actually didn't

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Laterite posted:

i don't know how socialist it is per se but christmas evil is about a toy factory worker who goes on a killing spree because he gets pissed off at the waste & artifice of christmas and how no one really lives up to its ideals even as they're ostensibly observing its spirit,

oh also he watches his mom gently caress santa when he's a kid,

with an ending scene that i guarantee you would not predict in a 100 years.

anyway its very cspam, 5 stars

It's the best of the evil xmas slashers imo, so grimy and wretched. The best low budget slashers barely even need their gore and killing, just the general atmosphere of looming dread and hopelessness is enough.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
"Don't Open 'Til Christmas" is also good, from the same time. Greasy, gaudy 80s Britain, with Caroline Munro wrapped up in a slinky red dress as a club singer.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010


Good dads!

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


my favorite xmas movie is todd haynes’ second masterpiece, CAROL

Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life
The original 1974 Black Christmas rules and is my favorite christmas slasher. I've not seen Christmas Evil though. I'll have to check it out.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
watching oliver stone's "alexander" (ultimate cut 3+ hour long version) and i'm thinking about really getting into alexander the great, becoming "that guy"

:hist101:

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

DoombatINC posted:

i am nonreligious and my wife is nonreligious and we still do christmas every year because it's fun to give presents to people you love :)

I'm gay and me and my husband still gently caress women

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Best Christmas movie is still Muppet's Christmas Carol.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

watching oliver stone's "alexander" (ultimate cut 3+ hour long version) and i'm thinking about really getting into alexander the great, becoming "that guy"

:hist101:

WELL LET MET TELL YOU ABOUT REIGN: THE CONQUEROR, FRIEND

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

me watching lithe, lean men with puckered lips at age 13: hell yeah war rules

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





loquacius posted:

Being nonreligious of Christian heritage is not really the same as being of a minority religious group hope this helps

giving people presents when its darkest and bleakest is a good thing to do and you dont need to tie it to worship in any way "hope this helps"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

i say swears online posted:

WELL LET MET TELL YOU ABOUT REIGN: THE CONQUEROR, FRIEND
the internet tells me this is an anime which makes me suspect it LACKS colin farrell in leather outfits or angelina jolie trying to do a greek accent

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





just give people you love things thats the wonderful thing about a fleeting and pointless reality

edit: i'm in a sad place about humans right now so i'm feeling extra defensive about even ephemeral commercial altruism

DoombatINC has issued a correction as of 07:28 on Aug 27, 2022

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
idea for a drinking game during this movie, take a drink whenever you hear the words "by necessity"

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Antonymous posted:

I'm gay and me and my husband still gently caress women

wait a minute when you mentioned being mistaken for a prostitute was it as a boy prostitute or a girl prostitute because the context at the time seemed to imply the second one

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