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V. Illych L. posted:even most tories aren't proper sickos, lmao
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Frosted Flake posted:lol so do you think they’ll let Scotland have another referendum after all this? I mean the issue is that the EU is just as screwed.
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Aug 27, 2022 01:48
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Frosted Flake posted:Do yours play at farmer the same way ours do? That seems really familiar. i actually don't think so! parachuting party loyals into safe districts is very common in the UK whereas it's not in the US and i assume canada is similar. i looked up a few random-rear end rural MPs and they're all city of london investment banker parasites, whereas if you looked at saskatchewan politicians they're ridin' the combine
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Aug 27, 2022 01:52
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i say swears online posted:i actually don't think so! parachuting party loyals into safe districts is very common in the UK whereas it's not in the US and i assume canada is similar. i looked up a few random-rear end rural MPs and they're all city of london investment banker parasites, whereas if you looked at saskatchewan politicians they're ridin' the combine drat. I thought they would at least pretend not to be from the city. That’s crazy that turnip farmers (?) in Kent still turn out for them.
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Aug 27, 2022 01:57
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is there a single constituency in the UK where farms outnumber bed-and-breakfasts?
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Aug 27, 2022 02:02
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the tory core constituency is basically "person who owns something of value". the leadership and lots of MPs are bug people who all went to school and uni together for 15 years, and that same set makes up the commanding heights of british culture, business and to a certain extent the civil service, including the security services. basically there's a huge chunk of pretty ordinary people who have hitched their wagons to this brood of traumatised rich kids and that is the biggest political bloc in britain.
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Aug 27, 2022 02:27
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yeah i wonder exactly how many people in the conservatives are rich purely through agriculture and it's probably near zero
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Aug 27, 2022 02:29
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that text about why starmer can never show courage or do anything because this time the tories will really gently caress everything up and show people that they're not fit to govern is the saddest poo poo I've ever seen
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Aug 27, 2022 02:35
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Are any of the virtues of the whole Floreat Etona worldview still around?
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Aug 27, 2022 02:39
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Frosted Flake posted:Are any of the virtues of the whole Floreat Etona worldview still around? i thought that was regarded as an 'end of an era' battle beacuse it was the last time colors were carried on the battlefield
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Aug 27, 2022 02:44
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Frosted Flake posted:Are any of the virtues of the whole Floreat Etona worldview still around? It's not driving our rich psychos to die in the fields of Flanders or some jungle somewhere any more so I'd say no
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i say swears online posted:i thought that was regarded as an 'end of an era' battle beacuse it was the last time colors were carried on the battlefield True, but I meant more ContinuityNewTimes posted:It's not driving our rich psychos to die in the fields of Flanders or some jungle somewhere any more so I'd say no The only British officers I’ve met seem to have gone to Sandhurst, so I guess your rich psychos have all gone into banking instead. It’s really the worst outcome - they have the same connections and will to power, need to dominate, but without being killed in the process. Maybe introducing malaria and dengue fever to those London office buildings?
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Aug 27, 2022 03:34
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while they don't consistently get killed like officers they can probably die easier as a whole in ways in which i will not elaborate
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Frosted Flake posted:True, but I meant more Sandhurst is the British equivalent of West Point (except West Point is also a university, where as Eton is a private high school. So Princes William & Henry went to Eton where they got poo poo results and then went to the military academy
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Aug 27, 2022 10:30
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I present for your approval: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Jones
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Aug 27, 2022 11:05
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There's no point Scotland going for a new referendum unless/ until they're consistently polling at 60/ 40 in favour of independence. If they lose 2 referendums in close succession, it'll kill off the idea for decades.
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Aug 27, 2022 11:09
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that's what happened in quebec, and frankly i feel like a lot of governments learned from that lesson - it got closer the second time, much closer, so it never happened again
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Aug 27, 2022 11:16
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framing in the papers is intersting today - first, the shittier papers are all framing it like "households could lose savings", which i mean they definitely w9ill n the way to being unable to pay and freezing to death. also consistently they're claiming pricing will correct in 2024, which is strange because of how well ukraine is doing and how that offensive coming soon will kick all the russians out
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Aug 27, 2022 11:18
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Demand will decrease by 2024 because people will have disassembled their boilers and used the parts to fashion makeshift chimneys so they can keep themselves warm by burning the floorboards
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Aug 27, 2022 11:41
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oh, speaking of, remembering fondly a former anarchist friend of mine who made this argument almost word for word in april, lol "no, russia is a petrostate and we are still desperate for the key critical resource they sell, that's why the rouble recovered" was described as "putin's illegal financial trickery magic" and would end aaaaaany day now.
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Aug 27, 2022 11:41
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Well yes, the framing of it does make me smile a little. *UK halts all gas imports from Russia* "These are Putin's price rises!!!!!!"
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Aug 27, 2022 11:49
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i receive: increased energy prices you receive: 13,000 (?) valiant deaths
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Pistol_Pete posted:Well yes, the framing of it does make me smile a little. we must support ukraine no matter the cost, to the bitter end. also, for no reason, we expect gas prices to normalize within two years.
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Aug 27, 2022 11:56
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forkboy84 posted:Sandhurst is the British equivalent of West Point (except West Point is also a university, where as Eton is a private high school. So Princes William & Henry went to Eton where they got poo poo results and then went to the military academy Please can you close your parenthesis, TIA
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the white hand posted:i receive: increased energy prices can't think of a more iconic duo than the UK and funding death
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CoolCab posted:that's what happened in quebec, and frankly i feel like a lot of governments learned from that lesson - it got closer the second time, much closer, so it never happened again i think the big difference here is that not only does Scotland want to leave the uk, but they want to join the eu, and that's only possible if they leave the uk. it's a clear choice of aligning with london or aligning with brussels and that's an easier sell than quebec independence in a continent full of anglos.
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RealityWarCriminal posted:i think the big difference here is that not only does Scotland want to leave the uk, but they want to join the eu, and that's only possible if they leave the uk. it's a clear choice of aligning with london or aligning with brussels and that's an easier sell than quebec independence in a continent full of anglos. It's also not really a choice that exists in the real world. Getting Scotland into the EU would be a lot of effort and diplomacy, all of which are in short supply.
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Aug 27, 2022 13:42
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RealityWarCriminal posted:i think the big difference here is that not only does Scotland want to leave the uk, but they want to join the eu, and that's only possible if they leave the uk. it's a clear choice of aligning with london or aligning with brussels and that's an easier sell than quebec independence in a continent full of anglos. i mean quebec is afaik borderline land locked, at least scotland has a bunch of maritime connections to other parts of europe. a lot of scottish people think entry will be a cakewalk and basically instantaneous, which was funny enough another thing i heard about ukraine a lot.
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CoolCab posted:i mean quebec is afaik borderline land locked, at least scotland has a bunch of maritime connections to other parts of europe. a lot of scottish people think entry will be a cakewalk and basically instantaneous, which was funny enough another thing i heard about ukraine a lot. Pretty sure Spain will have an interest in blocking EU entry for them. Catalonia cant get any ideas
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Aug 27, 2022 14:16
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quick entry for ukraine was never going to happen while it was under threat of invasion, no one actually wants to be forced to protect her. scotland was already a member of the eu through the uk so it would be a lot easier to rejoin.
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Aug 27, 2022 14:35
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RealityWarCriminal posted:quick entry for ukraine was never going to happen while it was under threat of invasion, no one actually wants to be forced to protect her. scotland was already a member of the eu through the uk so it would be a lot easier to rejoin. you're kind of thinking too macro. it's maybe in the EU's interest but you need literal unanimous consent and that always involves a loving ton of backdoor shenanigans. that's a big part of why it takes so long to join and imo why some places who have been trying to get in for years aren't really close. the best case scenario in my opinion is a relatively fast tracked process largely like you say on the basis they're former members but it will still take years. likewise, if the invasion ended tomorrow i'd guess like a decade or maybe never for ukraine tbh.
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Aug 27, 2022 14:54
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in theory in the event of independence they could negotiate some kind of treaty with the EU to restore certain trade and maybe freedoms in the interim while pursing membership, i think that's easier to go through than full membership? that would involve a land border with the EU at longtown and berwick, a border extremely integrated (abet nowhere near as much as ireland) though so how that would work would be a big question mark.
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Aug 27, 2022 14:59
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hailthefish posted:I present for your approval: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Jones Well he died alright, but it says his parents were a nurse and an artist not a baroness and a viscount.
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CoolCab posted:out of curiosity i was like hrm what was the highest ranking officer who died in the falklands, 255 people so maybe idk a captian? nope, a Lieutenant colonel somehow, oh i bet he died in an incredibly loving stupid way, and yup!
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Aug 27, 2022 15:21
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Looking forward to January when we sell the Malvinas to Argentina for a Jerry can full of crude oil
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The system works. My faith in Eton had been restored.
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CoolCab posted:i mean quebec is afaik borderline land locked, at least scotland has a bunch of maritime connections to other parts of europe. a lot of scottish people think entry will be a cakewalk and basically instantaneous, which was funny enough another thing i heard about ukraine a lot. You may want to quickly check a map of Quebec.
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forkboy84 posted:Looking forward to January when we sell the Malvinas to Argentina for a Jerry can full of crude oil Can't believe Jeremy Corbyn would do this !!!
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England: The EU can't afford us leaving. Scotland: The EU can't afford to not let us in. Nuclear War posted:Pretty sure Spain will have an interest in blocking EU entry for them. Catalonia cant get any ideas
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Crow Buddy posted:You may want to quickly check a map of Quebec. it's been a long time since i've been back to canada, lol.
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